Anonymous wrote:You realize each district was 5-7K students across multiple schools. And, there is no way you can say low transmission as they didn't test every single child, staff and family every week as a baseline.

That's not how research is conducted. Every study has a sampling strategy because it is typically impossible to use an entire population.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Doesn't everyone remember this photo where the high school girl was suspended for taking a picture of kids not wearing masks in a crowded high school?

Look how that school district is doing:
Around 2,000 in person students and 3,000 staff members
COVID cases:
Week of Dec. 7- 131 cases
Week of Dec. 14- 169 cases
Past two week in Jan. 99 cases with 592 close contacts found

Who can still think no one is passing along Covid in schools? Europe is now closing schools.

No one is saying COVID doesn’t pass at schools- it just tends to be at levels reflective of the community at large. In the community you are referencing- I doubt the residents care. I say this because I have extended family in similar communities down south, and they don’t care. They’ve all been leading normal lives since the summer, they’ve accepted COVID as just something to live with.

You might also look at the COVID-19 data for the county where this picture was taken - Paulding County, Georgia. This picture was taken in AUGUST.

The numbers didn't really go up there until November, aligned with colder weather and holidays. To be sure school positivity aligns with positivity in the community. But it is interesting that even in a district where people are generally not taking COVID seriously and in public schools were protocols were so lax, they didn't see major spread in school. In fact, COVID numbers wend down in the months after school started.

https://covidactnow.org/us/georgia-ga/county/paulding_county/?s=1566506

Anonymous wrote:No, it doesn't because IT'S NOT THE RIGHT DATA.

How often does this need to be said?

No cases does not equal no transmission!!!


The pandemic is driven by asymptomatic spread.
It is a function of people infecting others when no symptoms are present, and therefore no tests are done, no records are kept, and no isolation is thought of.

Virologists have been shouting this from the rooftops for months. MONTHS.

And still you people insist on listening to people who don't know SH!T about this.

Yes, Pediatrics is full of peer-reviewed articles by “people who don’t know SH!T.”

The issue is not can COVID ever be transmitted in school settings, it’s whether it’s worth it to keep schools remote indefinitely, given the enormous negative ramifications to CHILDREN (and society at large), in exchange for relatively low COVID transmission. That’s the issue. But keep telling yourself that children are asymptomatic superspreaders if it helps justify your denying the profound consequences of indefinite remote instruction. Whatever helps you sleep at night, right?

Do poor black and brown kids go to private school? No. They go to public school. The virus has hit their families hard. Send those kids back to school and you'll see spread. Those families aren't sending their kids back. They know what's what.

Our private doesn't do weekly testing, but requires negative tests for a shortened quarantine period, so a lot of the kids have been tested several times, including ours. All children ages 3 and up wear masks, except for lunch. Staff wear masks and sometimes face shields also. Kids have been distanced as much as possible and the amount of outdoor time maximized, weather permitting.

The entire year, we've had no cases of even suspected child-child transmission or staff-child transmission. One case of presumed staff-staff transmission, and that happened during a brief temporary period of remote learning when the two staff members were both using the building. Whenever one person in a class tested positive, all the children in the same class would test negative. I feel like it has definitely been worth it sending in-person, but I know that the calculus might be different for more crowded, less resourced schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Doesn't everyone remember this photo where the high school girl was suspended for taking a picture of kids not wearing masks in a crowded high school?

Look how that school district is doing:
Around 2,000 in person students and 3,000 staff members
COVID cases:
Week of Dec. 7- 131 cases
Week of Dec. 14- 169 cases
Past two week in Jan. 99 cases with 592 close contacts found

Who can still think no one is passing along Covid in schools? Europe is now closing schools.

No one is saying COVID doesn’t pass at schools- it just tends to be at levels reflective of the community at large. In the community you are referencing- I doubt the residents care. I say this because I have extended family in similar communities down south, and they don’t care. They’ve all been leading normal lives since the summer, they’ve accepted COVID as just something to live with.

COVID spreads when you don't follow safety precautions. The picture shows a school that chose NOT to follow safety precautions. Of course they will have spread. Europe may be closing schools but they were open for the past year. Not a comparative decision when they are not dealing with the impact of a year of school closures.

My kids attend a local private that follows the safety protocols. Teachers, staff, and students are tested weekly so we know if there are asymptomatic cases. Since September, there have been 6 positive cases (3 occurred during holiday breaks when the kids had no exposure to their teacher or classmates). There has been one case of transmission at school between students. There have been no cases of spread between adults and children. While the risk is not ZERO, the risk of COVID spread is quite low.

Anonymous wrote:

Doesn't everyone remember this photo where the high school girl was suspended for taking a picture of kids not wearing masks in a crowded high school?

Look how that school district is doing:
Around 2,000 in person students and 3,000 staff members
COVID cases:
Week of Dec. 7- 131 cases
Week of Dec. 14- 169 cases
Past two week in Jan. 99 cases with 592 close contacts found

Who can still think no one is passing along Covid in schools? Europe is now closing schools.

No one is saying COVID doesn’t pass at schools- it just tends to be at levels reflective of the community at large. In the community you are referencing- I doubt the residents care. I say this because I have extended family in similar communities down south, and they don’t care. They’ve all been leading normal lives since the summer, they’ve accepted COVID as just something to live with.

Anonymous wrote:

Doesn't everyone remember this photo where the high school girl was suspended for taking a picture of kids not wearing masks in a crowded high school?

Look how that school district is doing:
Around 2,000 in person students and 3,000 staff members
COVID cases:
Week of Dec. 7- 131 cases
Week of Dec. 14- 169 cases
Past two week in Jan. 99 cases with 592 close contacts found

Who can still think no one is passing along Covid in schools? Europe is now closing schools.

There is no way that any school in this region is going to reopen schools with so little mitigation in iplace.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:90,000 kids in school. Zero cases of testing on school grounds for Covid+ status.

The study even says this is all inferred based on contract tracing polling.

In the first 9 weeks of in-person instruction in North Carolina schools, we found extremely limited within-school secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2, determined by contact tracing.

North Carolina.... ok then... lol

Right?!?! Lolololol. Next they’ll be trotting out Alabama!

Doesn't everyone remember this photo where the high school girl was suspended for taking a picture of kids not wearing masks in a crowded high school?

Look how that school district is doing:
Around 2,000 in person students and 3,000 staff members
COVID cases:
Week of Dec. 7- 131 cases
Week of Dec. 14- 169 cases
Past two week in Jan. 99 cases with 592 close contacts found

Who can still think no one is passing along Covid in schools? Europe is now closing schools.

NC is educating its children, feeding its children and fulfilling their children’s emotional and social needs during a pandemic. They were called upon to be responsible educators and do their job in a creative safe manner... and they did. MCPS with all their money and brains have said we shouldn’t, we can’t, we won’t. Bully for NC I wish them continued health in the second semester.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the first 9 weeks of in-person instruction in NC schools, we found
extremely limited within-school secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2, as determined by
contact tracing

This includes rural schools which have more space? This also was done in September when kids had more outside time?

Try an inner city kid in the dead of winter where the windows don't open.

I do want to see some kind of science why kids can't get it - because their lungs aren't mature; height issues (then do tall kids get it); because teachers are keeping a distance ?

Children DO get COVID. They are often asymptomatic spreaders.

In schools, if students are wearing masks, and sitting quietly in their seats, not speaking, and the classrooms have good ventilation, they seldom spread COVID to teachers, if teachers are also wearing masks. Spread happens mostly through talking and shouting, indoors with poor circulation.

So change any of those factors above, and kids will spread COVID more to teachers.

Not all masks are effective and the are not 100%. It’s not just the teachers but also families and others. When numbers go down we will return. Those who want to return need to do their part.

Anonymous wrote:The data speak for themselves.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/01/06/peds.2020-048090.full.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3SDEuFmHUtpt0ISZWJi8wd20grSJfe9QqqjGBZVORLJxa2TdNy2gsBzNw

Unless every kid is tested and most aren’t, how could you know? A house-bound in law died of COVID. There were four adult children who came to visit and a small team of home health care aides. After two aides tested negative, the adult children decided that they didn’t want any more testing. Why? Because if it wasn’t the third aide, it meant it was one of them that killed their parents. They preferred the plausibility that it wasn’t them.

Until we test all students, we can continue to argue that the dead teachers caught it elsewhere.

Anonymous wrote:In the first 9 weeks of in-person instruction in NC schools, we found
extremely limited within-school secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2, as determined by
contact tracing

This includes rural schools which have more space? This also was done in September when kids had more outside time?

Try an inner city kid in the dead of winter where the windows don't open.

I do want to see some kind of science why kids can't get it - because their lungs aren't mature; height issues (then do tall kids get it); because teachers are keeping a distance ?

Children DO get COVID. They are often asymptomatic spreaders.

In schools, if students are wearing masks, and sitting quietly in their seats, not speaking, and the classrooms have good ventilation, they seldom spread COVID to teachers, if teachers are also wearing masks. Spread happens mostly through talking and shouting, indoors with poor circulation.

So change any of those factors above, and kids will spread COVID more to teachers.

In the first 9 weeks of in-person instruction in NC schools, we found
extremely limited within-school secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2, as determined by
contact tracing

This includes rural schools which have more space? This also was done in September when kids had more outside time?

Try an inner city kid in the dead of winter where the windows don't open.

I do want to see some kind of science why kids can't get it - because their lungs aren't mature; height issues (then do tall kids get it); because teachers are keeping a distance ?