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Anonymous wrote:Teachers have been very consistent in asking to wait until there is a vaccine, which I always understood to mean, when everyone in the room is vaccinated. That’s generally the model we follow with vaccines.

If that’s what you understood, you were mistaken. Everyone knew a vaccine for kids was at least two year away in March 2020. No one thought it would be two years until kids returned to the classroom. It is insane. Education is a right. What APS is providing isn’t an appropriate education. Let’s wait for the SOL scores for elementary to come out. It is a disgrace.

Cool down. Unless the numbers are still bad, I am almost positive teachers will go back when they are vaccinated. They may even go back with terrible numbers, so don’t get worked up over a very unlikely hypothetical scenario. This person is probably just yanking your chain.

Vaccine does seems to reduce infections and not just symptoms. From WSJ a few weeks ago here:

Israel’s largest health-care provider, Clalit Health Services, compared test positivity rates among 200,000 people over 60 who received the vaccine with 200,000 that didn’t. Until day 14, there was little difference between the two groups. But after that, the data showed a 33% fall in infection rates among those who had already been vaccinated compared with those who hadn’t.

Clalit noted that the number of people infected was statistically significant, but said it wouldn’t release final numbers until its study is published.

Pfizer says people must receive both doses of the vaccine for it to be fully effective. In Pfizer’s trials, the vaccine was shown to take about 12 days before it started to protect people.

The Clalit study suggests that the first dose could reduce infections among those vaccinated as early as two weeks after injection.

While Pfizer’s research was based on people who had symptomatic Covid-19 and a positive lab test, Clalit’s data analysis was based on Covid-19 tests provided both to people who felt symptoms and to those who didn’t, such as people who came into contact with others who had Covid-19, according to Ran Balicer, chief innovation officer at the Israeli health-care provider.

Anonymous wrote:Teachers have been very consistent in asking to wait until there is a vaccine, which I always understood to mean, when everyone in the room is vaccinated. That’s generally the model we follow with vaccines.

If that’s what you understood, you were mistaken. Everyone knew a vaccine for kids was at least two year away in March 2020. No one thought it would be two years until kids returned to the classroom. It is insane. Education is a right. What APS is providing isn’t an appropriate education. Let’s wait for the SOL scores for elementary to come out. It is a disgrace.

Anonymous wrote:Teachers have been very consistent in asking to wait until there is a vaccine, which I always understood to mean, when everyone in the room is vaccinated. That’s generally the model we follow with vaccines.

kids aren't getting vaccinated until a year down the road.

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are moving the goalposts and it pisses me off. Not til we are vaccinated! Not til my household is vaccinated! Not til the kids are vaccinated!

My kids will not go to school for an entire year. A whole year. This is insane.

probably a lot longer than that!

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If schools wait until the entire community is vaccinated, or even just the families of teachers, WHY are teachers getting vaccinated now? Get out of the way and let grocery store and restaurant workers in line.

Many people have been saying this. I have no idea why teachers or PROFESSORS are being vaccinated (many classes were taught online via campus TV before internet).

Actual front line workers should be vaccinated not teachers as part of some political statement.

How is it different from therapist/psychiatrists that are able to work totally remote? They've been vax as part of health care workers. I don't think these comments are helpful at this point in a public health crisis. The more of our community that can be vax the better. Its going to take longer the more granular we get with the groupings.

If we aren’t going to open schools, we shouldn’t have prioritized an entire group above other essential groups. Other workers are suffering.

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To answer another of your questions, some APS community members, including teachers, are pushing to have EVERYONE vaccinated before opening schools. Not just teachers, but kids and family members too. They won’t get much traction with that and are eroding their credibility by pushing for it.

I'm fine with the family members (that live with a teacher) getting it, but what authority to they have to require kids to get it in order to return to work, if they and their own families are vaccinated? In that instance, isn' t it the choice of parents whether to put kids at risk, since it is not harming the teachers in any way?

Amen. The people kicking the can to avoid work at great cost to children should not have become teachers.

People who are a-holes (^) should not have become parents.

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If schools wait until the entire community is vaccinated, or even just the families of teachers, WHY are teachers getting vaccinated now? Get out of the way and let grocery store and restaurant workers in line.

Many people have been saying this. I have no idea why teachers or PROFESSORS are being vaccinated (many classes were taught online via campus TV before internet).

Actual front line workers should be vaccinated not teachers as part of some political statement.

How is it different from therapist/psychiatrists that are able to work totally remote? They've been vax as part of health care workers. I don't think these comments are helpful at this point in a public health crisis. The more of our community that can be vax the better. Its going to take longer the more granular we get with the groupings.

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If schools wait until the entire community is vaccinated, or even just the families of teachers, WHY are teachers getting vaccinated now? Get out of the way and let grocery store and restaurant workers in line.

Many people have been saying this. I have no idea why teachers or PROFESSORS are being vaccinated (many classes were taught online via campus TV before internet).

Actual front line workers should be vaccinated not teachers as part of some political statement.

If schools wait until the entire community is vaccinated, or even just the families of teachers, WHY are teachers getting vaccinated now? Get out of the way and let grocery store and restaurant workers in line.

Teachers have been very consistent in asking to wait until there is a vaccine, which I always understood to mean, when everyone in the room is vaccinated. That’s generally the model we follow with vaccines.

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OK, they're vaccinating the teachers. That is great. Can they reopen the schools fully soon? Or will teachers still complain about going back to school? I've had to go to work throughout the entire pandemic and I'm not vaccinated yet.


You were in an enclosed room for 6 hrs with 20 people? What job is that.

Are you kidding? Have you been to Chipolte, or any other eating establishment? Not only is staff in the room with people, they are not wearing masks because they are eating.

20 people are eating at a time at chipotle? How can they fit that many people?

Anyways, yes school teachers are interchangeable with fast food workers, so if they quit or get sick we can just whip up some new ones.

I mean, it’s not like we would want to maybe do right by fast food workers rather than bring down teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, they're vaccinating the teachers. That is great. Can they reopen the schools fully soon? Or will teachers still complain about going back to school? I've had to go to work throughout the entire pandemic and I'm not vaccinated yet.

You were in an enclosed room for 6 hrs with 20 people? What job is that.

Teachers are vaccinated but their families would still be at risk; we might get a hybrid but until we know vaccine suppresses transmission don’t get excited

It would be incredibly unusual for a vaccine to prevent you from getting sick but, at the same time, not prevent you from transmitting to someone else. No vaccine in the history of vaccines has ever worked that way. I’m so sick of teachers clamping into any reason to avoid going in person.

That info came from Fauci!! He said we don’t know yet and that it can be possible to carry/shed even after being vaccinated. This is not the same kind of vaccine as flu, etc. as thus uses mRNA.

“mRNA vaccines are a new type of vaccine to protect against infectious diseases. To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. Instead, they teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.”

Thanks. I could have avoided wasting my time getting that Ph.D. in biochemistry if I had only knew you then. Here’s a good article for you to read from the New England Journal of Medicine.
https://www.nejm.org/covid-vaccine/faq?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210118&instance_id=26125&nl=the-morning®i_id=121671491&segment_id=49584&te=1&user_id=c34a48f1de378b6a240ed4a6f9dc55c0

DP but that link sent me to an FAQ. Here is part of yhr answer to the question “Do vaccines prevent the transmission of the virus to others?

“...until we know whether the vaccines protect against asymptomatic infection, we should continue to emphasize to our patients that vaccination does not allow us to stop other important measures to prevent the spread of Covid-19. We need to continue social distancing, masking, avoiding crowded indoor settings, and regular hand washing.”

Did you get the wrong link?

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Anonymous wrote:OK, they're vaccinating the teachers. That is great. Can they reopen the schools fully soon? Or will teachers still complain about going back to school? I've had to go to work throughout the entire pandemic and I'm not vaccinated yet.

You were in an enclosed room for 6 hrs with 20 people? What job is that.

Teachers are vaccinated but their families would still be at risk; we might get a hybrid but until we know vaccine suppresses transmission don’t get excited

It would be incredibly unusual for a vaccine to prevent you from getting sick but, at the same time, not prevent you from transmitting to someone else. No vaccine in the history of vaccines has ever worked that way. I’m so sick of teachers clamping into any reason to avoid going in person.

Uh. Are you from APE? Please read. That is indeed the current understanding of these vaccines.

NP. No it is not. The understanding is that they didn't have time to study whether or not you could transmit. But in all likelihood, they do prevent transmission, they just don't know for sure.

This. Plus the early results from Pfizer showed that very few of the negative patients had any detectable Covid in nasal passages (like 0.01%). It’s just another moving of the goalposts by teachers.

That metaphor is getting so tired and cheap, I just cringe so hard every time someone writes it.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, they're vaccinating the teachers. That is great. Can they reopen the schools fully soon? Or will teachers still complain about going back to school? I've had to go to work throughout the entire pandemic and I'm not vaccinated yet.

You were in an enclosed room for 6 hrs with 20 people? What job is that.

Teachers are vaccinated but their families would still be at risk; we might get a hybrid but until we know vaccine suppresses transmission don’t get excited

It would be incredibly unusual for a vaccine to prevent you from getting sick but, at the same time, not prevent you from transmitting to someone else. No vaccine in the history of vaccines has ever worked that way. I’m so sick of teachers clamping into any reason to avoid going in person.

Uh. Are you from APE? Please read. That is indeed the current understanding of these vaccines.

NP. No it is not. The understanding is that they didn't have time to study whether or not you could transmit. But in all likelihood, they do prevent transmission, they just don't know for sure.

This. Plus the early results from Pfizer showed that very few of the negative patients had any detectable Covid in nasal passages (like 0.01%). It’s just another moving of the goalposts by teachers.