Anonymous wrote:She should apply for jobs that pay more money. They’ll be possibly more stressful but hey she’s in it for the cash right? And she’s bringing the value, isn’t she?

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"Unless you think that dignity snd survival is actually something we owe to everyone in our society who works full time. I do.

If this means that fewer people go to college, that’s fine. Non-college requiring work is important, too. But the vast majority will choose education because the jobs that pay “only” $5-7 more are more appealing to them.

So it's a private company's responsibility to provide divinity and survival. Please quantify that. And people who make low wages qualify for medicaid, snap, and food stamps. Quit being so hyperbolic. Maybe middle class making $40-50k now should also get food stamps and medicaid if they're only going to make $5 per hour more than a high school kids scooping ice cream."

Think about it as a TAX PAYER. No one who works a full time job should qualify for medicaid, snap or food stamps.

Why should the company get full time work and only pay for part of the employee's needs?

I would be MUCH happier to pay the company more for their product when their price contains ALL their actual costs.

I am currently unhappy that some companies get breaks from the government because they refuse to pay workers a living wage.

To the OP, my guess is that the reason your wife makes so little is that she doesn't ask for a raise every year.

While asking for a rasie every year would not have resulted in her making $20k more now, she likely would be making $5-8k more.

She should definitely ask for a raise EVERY year. She should not be surprised that they say NO every other year.

But if they seem to never do more than cost of living, either your wife has slacked off because they pay so little or the college is in trouble finacially.

No matter which reason, switching schools after a tough salary negotiation should help.

Just be careful, often people don't realize the HUGE benefits a family recieves if one spouse or the other can slack off at work and put more effort into childcare or saving money by shopping carefully.

Earning consistent raises is hard work, if she has been coasting because there just were no raises to be had, if both of you want her to take that on, make sure you pick up some of the work at home.

I understand that you are already "working for a raise" that suggests that you already may not be pulling your weight at home.

I know college dropouts who make 300k. Maybe she should ask for 320k? Or she should realize that despite her degree she's not smart or talented enough for more.

Yes! That seems fair. People are generally underpaid, your wife included. Her salary is low. Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:Raising minimum wage is to help people out of poverty. If everyone else gets a "raise", it just continues the gap. What your wife makes has nothing to do with minimum wage increasing. Wow, just wow.

You don't think people with technical skills and experience should make more than someone that can walk onto a job with no specialized experience?

They do make more, and have far better work conditions and benefits. You just think the gap should be bigger.

Yes, the gap between a college educated person with years of experience vs a high school student pushing carts should be bigger than a measly $5 per hour. What's the point of paying for expensive college educauons then if your boost to income is only $5-7 per hour over a high school student?

If she wants to make more, she needs to look for a new job. An education provides you with mobility--if she fails to take advantage of that, it's on her. No one "owes" her more money for doing the same job.

Use that same logic for minimum wage workers then too. If you want more than minimum wage jobs apply for new jobs that pay more. Or gain skills/education so you can earn more. No one owes mimum wage earners $15 per hour using your logic too.

Unless you think that dignity snd survival is actually something we owe to everyone in our society who works full time. I do.

If this means that fewer people go to college, that’s fine. Non-college requiring work is important, too. But the vast majority will choose education because the jobs that pay “only” $5-7 more are more appealing to them.

So it's a private company's responsibility to provide divinity and survival. Please quantify that. And people who make low wages qualify for medicaid, snap, and food stamps. Quit being so hyperbolic. Maybe middle class making $40-50k now should also get food stamps and medicaid if they're only going to make $5 per hour more than a high school kids scooping ice cream.

Aren't we headed towards a UBI and healthcare for all? We kinda have to do this in prep for an AI/Robotics dominated world with widespread human job reductions. How else can you keep the masses from rising up and "storming the capitol"?

Having said that, between now and then, we should a a society make sure everyone gets a living wage. If that's $15/hr, so be it. Higher education is the biggest scam in this country. Where else will you have that level of pay combined with job security? (Before someone jumps on my about how little college peeps make, please google their salaries. it's all out there). All of this is funded my us, the citizens. That bubble has to burst and will as the number of people willing to spend that kinda money goes down.. As you (or someone upthread) said, why bother with college for an extra $5/hr?

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that working at McDonalds is hard work, right? I'm sure it's much harder than admin work at a university.

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Anonymous wrote:Raising minimum wage is to help people out of poverty. If everyone else gets a "raise", it just continues the gap. What your wife makes has nothing to do with minimum wage increasing. Wow, just wow.

You don't think people with technical skills and experience should make more than someone that can walk onto a job with no specialized experience?

They do make more, and have far better work conditions and benefits. You just think the gap should be bigger.

Yes, the gap between a college educated person with years of experience vs a high school student pushing carts should be bigger than a measly $5 per hour. What's the point of paying for expensive college educauons then if your boost to income is only $5-7 per hour over a high school student?

To have a career. Job advancement, health insurance, retirement accounts, PTO, stability.

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Anonymous wrote:Raising minimum wage is to help people out of poverty. If everyone else gets a "raise", it just continues the gap. What your wife makes has nothing to do with minimum wage increasing. Wow, just wow.

You don't think people with technical skills and experience should make more than someone that can walk onto a job with no specialized experience?

They do make more, and have far better work conditions and benefits. You just think the gap should be bigger.

Yes, the gap between a college educated person with years of experience vs a high school student pushing carts should be bigger than a measly $5 per hour. What's the point of paying for expensive college educauons then if your boost to income is only $5-7 per hour over a high school student?

If she wants to make more, she needs to look for a new job. An education provides you with mobility--if she fails to take advantage of that, it's on her. No one "owes" her more money for doing the same job.

Use that same logic for minimum wage workers then too. If you want more than minimum wage jobs apply for new jobs that pay more. Or gain skills/education so you can earn more. No one owes mimum wage earners $15 per hour using your logic too.

Unless you think that dignity snd survival is actually something we owe to everyone in our society who works full time. I do.

If this means that fewer people go to college, that’s fine. Non-college requiring work is important, too. But the vast majority will choose education because the jobs that pay “only” $5-7 more are more appealing to them.

So it's a private company's responsibility to provide divinity and survival. Please quantify that. And people who make low wages qualify for medicaid, snap, and food stamps. Quit being so hyperbolic. Maybe middle class making $40-50k now should also get food stamps and medicaid if they're only going to make $5 per hour more than a high school kids scooping ice cream.

I used to make only $5 an hour, so that sounds like a lot of money to me!

The funniest thing about this thread is that honestly, an admin assistant job should not require more than a high school degree. No reason they should require college degrees for that kind of work.

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Unless you think that dignity snd survival is actually something we owe to everyone in our society who works full time. I do.

If this means that fewer people go to college, that’s fine. Non-college requiring work is important, too. But the vast majority will choose education because the jobs that pay “only” $5-7 more are more appealing to them.

Damn right they are more appealing. I'm going to guess that OP's wife does not work major holidays--the person working at McDonald's does. If OP's wife is anything like that admins at my kid's university, she works 8-4:30--normal hours where she is home for dinner and sleeps through the night; do you think McDonald's employees have those hours? I'm also going to bet that OP's wife's hours (and therefore, income) are not subject to weekly demand--she can count on having the same schedule and pay every week. The McDonald's employee doesn't have that security.

Anonymous wrote:NP, but I was also thinking about this in regard to a proposed $15 minimum wage. A lot of people with degrees and experience are making between $40-50K. Why should they make that little when you can make 30K with zero experience?

Uh, because the majority of minimum wage jobs, even if they pay $15/hr, have little to no upward growth potential? I made $42k right out of college but 10 years later make 6 figures. It’s just a completely different circumstance. You can’t compare the two.

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Anonymous wrote:Raising minimum wage is to help people out of poverty. If everyone else gets a "raise", it just continues the gap. What your wife makes has nothing to do with minimum wage increasing. Wow, just wow.

You don't think people with technical skills and experience should make more than someone that can walk onto a job with no specialized experience?

They do make more, and have far better work conditions and benefits. You just think the gap should be bigger.

Yes, the gap between a college educated person with years of experience vs a high school student pushing carts should be bigger than a measly $5 per hour. What's the point of paying for expensive college educauons then if your boost to income is only $5-7 per hour over a high school student?

If she wants to make more, she needs to look for a new job. An education provides you with mobility--if she fails to take advantage of that, it's on her. No one "owes" her more money for doing the same job.

Use that same logic for minimum wage workers then too. If you want more than minimum wage jobs apply for new jobs that pay more. Or gain skills/education so you can earn more. No one owes mimum wage earners $15 per hour using your logic too.

Unless you think that dignity snd survival is actually something we owe to everyone in our society who works full time. I do.

If this means that fewer people go to college, that’s fine. Non-college requiring work is important, too. But the vast majority will choose education because the jobs that pay “only” $5-7 more are more appealing to them.

So it's a private company's responsibility to provide divinity and survival. Please quantify that. And people who make low wages qualify for medicaid, snap, and food stamps. Quit being so hyperbolic. Maybe middle class making $40-50k now should also get food stamps and medicaid if they're only going to make $5 per hour more than a high school kids scooping ice cream.

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Anonymous wrote:Raising minimum wage is to help people out of poverty. If everyone else gets a "raise", it just continues the gap. What your wife makes has nothing to do with minimum wage increasing. Wow, just wow.

You don't think people with technical skills and experience should make more than someone that can walk onto a job with no specialized experience?

They do make more, and have far better work conditions and benefits. You just think the gap should be bigger.

Yes, the gap between a college educated person with years of experience vs a high school student pushing carts should be bigger than a measly $5 per hour. What's the point of paying for expensive college educauons then if your boost to income is only $5-7 per hour over a high school student?

If she wants to make more, she needs to look for a new job. An education provides you with mobility--if she fails to take advantage of that, it's on her. No one "owes" her more money for doing the same job.

Use that same logic for minimum wage workers then too. If you want more than minimum wage jobs apply for new jobs that pay more. Or gain skills/education so you can earn more. No one owes mimum wage earners $15 per hour using your logic too.

Unless you think that dignity snd survival is actually something we owe to everyone in our society who works full time. I do.

If this means that fewer people go to college, that’s fine. Non-college requiring work is important, too. But the vast majority will choose education because the jobs that pay “only” $5-7 more are more appealing to them.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, but I was also thinking about this in regard to a proposed $15 minimum wage. A lot of people with degrees and experience are making between $40-50K. Why should they make that little when you can make 30K with zero experience?

Because most of the people making minimum wage aren’t doing so from laziness. They are locked in by oppressive systems in our society. College is to expensive to afford without taking on crushing debt.

Take on a trade job then.

Trade jobs also require some level of training, which requires time and money. Many of those jobs also have huge issues with sexism and racism that make it difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, but I was also thinking about this in regard to a proposed $15 minimum wage. A lot of people with degrees and experience are making between $40-50K. Why should they make that little when you can make 30K with zero experience?

Because most of the people making minimum wage aren’t doing so from laziness. They are locked in by oppressive systems in our society. College is to expensive to afford without taking on crushing debt.

Then tell organizations and companies to stop requiring college educations for everything if they're only going to pay $5-8 per hour more now than a high school job with zero experience.

They pay what the market demands. Maybe raising the minimum wage will finally result in wage inflation

Why results in inflation across the board. Fantastic.