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Post 01/06/2021 10:53     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

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Anonymous wrote:The conclusion you should takeaway from OP’s post is that clubs like Solar are the top because they develop players prepared to play at the highest level. They have more players capable of making an impact than most other players and those players receive offers to Power 5 schools, which are more capable of offering scholarships.


Jesus, what is with the love of Solar? They are in freakin Texas, what do they have to do with local clubs?

Solar is huge, like PDA, that doesn’t mean development, that means monopoly of the best players in the area.


Per OP's post, the question is what is Solar and these other clubs listed doing to produce high numbers of players who are going to Power 5. It isn't a monopoly when you have several clubs from the same metro area producing this many players. Even if you combined FCV, McLean and Bethesda, you would not reach 20 girls going to the Power 5, including several that are on the YNT. Sorry but this is more than a monopoly. Maybe it is the weather. Maybe the area culture is more competitive (Sorry but Dallas has fewer snowflakes than DC). And PDA sent 51 girls to play in college, including 35 to DI and 12 to Power 5 programs. Weather is not a differentiating factor but others things are like training and culture.


When your in club player pool is 6000 kids it isn't hard to understand how this happens. Loudoun is the closest local club that has a large player pool to start with, time will tell if they squander that head start.


Gets to the point of culture. I don't know how many players are at Loudoun but I have seen their ECNL teams play and they are competitive but not in the same ball park as FCV and McLean. Even merging FCV, Mclean and Loudoun would produce the numbers produced by Michigan Hawks, NCFC or similar elite clubs. I think our view of things gets blurred because of the bubble in which we live. We have some good clubs but soccer in the DMV is not as strong as in other places around the country.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2021 10:49     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

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Anonymous wrote:The conclusion you should takeaway from OP’s post is that clubs like Solar are the top because they develop players prepared to play at the highest level. They have more players capable of making an impact than most other players and those players receive offers to Power 5 schools, which are more capable of offering scholarships.


Jesus, what is with the love of Solar? They are in freakin Texas, what do they have to do with local clubs?

Solar is huge, like PDA, that doesn’t mean development, that means monopoly of the best players in the area.


Per OP's post, the question is what is Solar and these other clubs listed doing to produce high numbers of players who are going to Power 5. It isn't a monopoly when you have several clubs from the same metro area producing this many players. Even if you combined FCV, McLean and Bethesda, you would not reach 20 girls going to the Power 5, including several that are on the YNT. Sorry but this is more than a monopoly. Maybe it is the weather. Maybe the area culture is more competitive (Sorry but Dallas has fewer snowflakes than DC). And PDA sent 51 girls to play in college, including 35 to DI and 12 to Power 5 programs. Weather is not a differentiating factor but others things are like training and culture.


Make it per capita compared to the top area clubs and see how it looks
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2021 10:07     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

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Anonymous wrote:The conclusion you should takeaway from OP’s post is that clubs like Solar are the top because they develop players prepared to play at the highest level. They have more players capable of making an impact than most other players and those players receive offers to Power 5 schools, which are more capable of offering scholarships.


Jesus, what is with the love of Solar? They are in freakin Texas, what do they have to do with local clubs?

Solar is huge, like PDA, that doesn’t mean development, that means monopoly of the best players in the area.


Per OP's post, the question is what is Solar and these other clubs listed doing to produce high numbers of players who are going to Power 5. It isn't a monopoly when you have several clubs from the same metro area producing this many players. Even if you combined FCV, McLean and Bethesda, you would not reach 20 girls going to the Power 5, including several that are on the YNT. Sorry but this is more than a monopoly. Maybe it is the weather. Maybe the area culture is more competitive (Sorry but Dallas has fewer snowflakes than DC). And PDA sent 51 girls to play in college, including 35 to DI and 12 to Power 5 programs. Weather is not a differentiating factor but others things are like training and culture.


When your in club player pool is 6000 kids it isn't hard to understand how this happens. Loudoun is the closest local club that has a large player pool to start with, time will tell if they squander that head start.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2021 09:25     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

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Anonymous wrote:The conclusion you should takeaway from OP’s post is that clubs like Solar are the top because they develop players prepared to play at the highest level. They have more players capable of making an impact than most other players and those players receive offers to Power 5 schools, which are more capable of offering scholarships.


Jesus, what is with the love of Solar? They are in freakin Texas, what do they have to do with local clubs?

Solar is huge, like PDA, that doesn’t mean development, that means monopoly of the best players in the area.


Per OP's post, the question is what is Solar and these other clubs listed doing to produce high numbers of players who are going to Power 5. It isn't a monopoly when you have several clubs from the same metro area producing this many players. Even if you combined FCV, McLean and Bethesda, you would not reach 20 girls going to the Power 5, including several that are on the YNT. Sorry but this is more than a monopoly. Maybe it is the weather. Maybe the area culture is more competitive (Sorry but Dallas has fewer snowflakes than DC). And PDA sent 51 girls to play in college, including 35 to DI and 12 to Power 5 programs. Weather is not a differentiating factor but others things are like training and culture.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2021 09:03     Subject: Re:Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

Tell the OP take your DD try out for Solar either get cut or get placed on their 4th team and end your DDs soccer career there
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2021 08:21     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

Anonymous wrote:The conclusion you should takeaway from OP’s post is that clubs like Solar are the top because they develop players prepared to play at the highest level. They have more players capable of making an impact than most other players and those players receive offers to Power 5 schools, which are more capable of offering scholarships.


Jesus, what is with the love of Solar? They are in freakin Texas, what do they have to do with local clubs?

Solar is huge, like PDA, that doesn’t mean development, that means monopoly of the best players in the area.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2021 07:49     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

The conclusion you should takeaway from OP’s post is that clubs like Solar are the top because they develop players prepared to play at the highest level. They have more players capable of making an impact than most other players and those players receive offers to Power 5 schools, which are more capable of offering scholarships.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2021 20:10     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess all the soccer players in the Dallas area are the children of Neanderthals. Give me a break. Successful people will teach their kids balance. As someone who has hired kids from elite undergrad and grad programs, kids who played DI and maintained a competitive academic profile always fared well in interviews compared to those who did not.

Obviously there are elite DI programs that encourage a balance and those that don't. If your DD has the potential to play at that level by working hard to get there, they are not going to be happy at a D3 program. The great thing about DI are the options. Lehigh and Bucknell differ from Harvard and Princeton which differ from Duke and Stanford but all three will offer you a great academic experience while offering a soccer experience that is ranges from competitive to supper competitive to elite competitiveness.


The kid who is choosing between playing at JMU or JHU isn't getting recruited by Duke or Stanford and may not be able to get into Princeton or Harvard. Between Dallas and DC, which city seems to care more about college prestige?


The OP nor the article is discussing DI programs outside the Power 5 or DIII programs. The discussion is about elite DI programs and the ability to balance high level soccer and elite academics. Solar has 20 girls going to high level soccer programs, including half going to Vandy, Michigan or UT. I am sorry but all three of those schools offer more academically for an elite athlete than DIII schools in New England that no one outside of the Northeast will have much familiarity. We aren't talking about borderline kids. We are talking about elite players who will get the attention of Power 5 coaches. If your kid wants to balance elite soccer with elite academics, there are plenty of options.


did you read the list from OP's link - Rogers State, Lubbock Christian, Northwestern State... There are some impressive schools and a lot that aren't. Solar is a huge club, they are going to place more kids than a smaller club.

Mclean, has a of Davidson, a Dartmouth, a couple of Georgetowns, and Wake Forest. St. James has a bunch of DIs. Bethesda and Arlington have basically nothing which makes me wonder if they didn't bother entering the info



Arlington has had girls commit to Wake Forest, Syracuse, William and Mary, and Georgetown in just the last few months.


All great schools and soccer might be helping opening the door but I highly doubt they are full rides.


I’m sure they’re not, but neither are the Mclean or TSJFCV or Solar or PDA commits. With extraordinarily rare exceptions, what you get from a college as a non-revenue athlete is admission + some money. Not all the money.


Go to a program below your level and get a full ride
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2021 19:30     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:So I guess all the soccer players in the Dallas area are the children of Neanderthals. Give me a break. Successful people will teach their kids balance. As someone who has hired kids from elite undergrad and grad programs, kids who played DI and maintained a competitive academic profile always fared well in interviews compared to those who did not.

Obviously there are elite DI programs that encourage a balance and those that don't. If your DD has the potential to play at that level by working hard to get there, they are not going to be happy at a D3 program. The great thing about DI are the options. Lehigh and Bucknell differ from Harvard and Princeton which differ from Duke and Stanford but all three will offer you a great academic experience while offering a soccer experience that is ranges from competitive to supper competitive to elite competitiveness.


The kid who is choosing between playing at JMU or JHU isn't getting recruited by Duke or Stanford and may not be able to get into Princeton or Harvard. Between Dallas and DC, which city seems to care more about college prestige?


The OP nor the article is discussing DI programs outside the Power 5 or DIII programs. The discussion is about elite DI programs and the ability to balance high level soccer and elite academics. Solar has 20 girls going to high level soccer programs, including half going to Vandy, Michigan or UT. I am sorry but all three of those schools offer more academically for an elite athlete than DIII schools in New England that no one outside of the Northeast will have much familiarity. We aren't talking about borderline kids. We are talking about elite players who will get the attention of Power 5 coaches. If your kid wants to balance elite soccer with elite academics, there are plenty of options.


did you read the list from OP's link - Rogers State, Lubbock Christian, Northwestern State... There are some impressive schools and a lot that aren't. Solar is a huge club, they are going to place more kids than a smaller club.

Mclean, has a of Davidson, a Dartmouth, a couple of Georgetowns, and Wake Forest. St. James has a bunch of DIs. Bethesda and Arlington have basically nothing which makes me wonder if they didn't bother entering the info



Arlington has had girls commit to Wake Forest, Syracuse, William and Mary, and Georgetown in just the last few months.


All great schools and soccer might be helping opening the door but I highly doubt they are full rides.


I’m sure they’re not, but neither are the Mclean or TSJFCV or Solar or PDA commits. With extraordinarily rare exceptions, what you get from a college as a non-revenue athlete is admission + some money. Not all the money.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2021 16:14     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess all the soccer players in the Dallas area are the children of Neanderthals. Give me a break. Successful people will teach their kids balance. As someone who has hired kids from elite undergrad and grad programs, kids who played DI and maintained a competitive academic profile always fared well in interviews compared to those who did not.

Obviously there are elite DI programs that encourage a balance and those that don't. If your DD has the potential to play at that level by working hard to get there, they are not going to be happy at a D3 program. The great thing about DI are the options. Lehigh and Bucknell differ from Harvard and Princeton which differ from Duke and Stanford but all three will offer you a great academic experience while offering a soccer experience that is ranges from competitive to supper competitive to elite competitiveness.


The kid who is choosing between playing at JMU or JHU isn't getting recruited by Duke or Stanford and may not be able to get into Princeton or Harvard. Between Dallas and DC, which city seems to care more about college prestige?


The OP nor the article is discussing DI programs outside the Power 5 or DIII programs. The discussion is about elite DI programs and the ability to balance high level soccer and elite academics. Solar has 20 girls going to high level soccer programs, including half going to Vandy, Michigan or UT. I am sorry but all three of those schools offer more academically for an elite athlete than DIII schools in New England that no one outside of the Northeast will have much familiarity. We aren't talking about borderline kids. We are talking about elite players who will get the attention of Power 5 coaches. If your kid wants to balance elite soccer with elite academics, there are plenty of options.


did you read the list from OP's link - Rogers State, Lubbock Christian, Northwestern State... There are some impressive schools and a lot that aren't. Solar is a huge club, they are going to place more kids than a smaller club.

Mclean, has a of Davidson, a Dartmouth, a couple of Georgetowns, and Wake Forest. St. James has a bunch of DIs. Bethesda and Arlington have basically nothing which makes me wonder if they didn't bother entering the info



Arlington has had girls commit to Wake Forest, Syracuse, William and Mary, and Georgetown in just the last few months.


Are they being offered full scholarships? or are they committing to simply the next level of pay to play? Nothing wrong with that at all. Just be honest it is what it is. Yes the school education is the priority. However and I know ts a different landscape. A basketball player is more of an athletic accomplishment by getting a full scholarship. So yes congrats to making it to the next level of pay to play. Understand its deceiving to the majority who dont know how college soccer works.


It is well known that full rides are rare. This isn’t news.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2021 12:30     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:So I guess all the soccer players in the Dallas area are the children of Neanderthals. Give me a break. Successful people will teach their kids balance. As someone who has hired kids from elite undergrad and grad programs, kids who played DI and maintained a competitive academic profile always fared well in interviews compared to those who did not.

Obviously there are elite DI programs that encourage a balance and those that don't. If your DD has the potential to play at that level by working hard to get there, they are not going to be happy at a D3 program. The great thing about DI are the options. Lehigh and Bucknell differ from Harvard and Princeton which differ from Duke and Stanford but all three will offer you a great academic experience while offering a soccer experience that is ranges from competitive to supper competitive to elite competitiveness.


The kid who is choosing between playing at JMU or JHU isn't getting recruited by Duke or Stanford and may not be able to get into Princeton or Harvard. Between Dallas and DC, which city seems to care more about college prestige?


The OP nor the article is discussing DI programs outside the Power 5 or DIII programs. The discussion is about elite DI programs and the ability to balance high level soccer and elite academics. Solar has 20 girls going to high level soccer programs, including half going to Vandy, Michigan or UT. I am sorry but all three of those schools offer more academically for an elite athlete than DIII schools in New England that no one outside of the Northeast will have much familiarity. We aren't talking about borderline kids. We are talking about elite players who will get the attention of Power 5 coaches. If your kid wants to balance elite soccer with elite academics, there are plenty of options.


did you read the list from OP's link - Rogers State, Lubbock Christian, Northwestern State... There are some impressive schools and a lot that aren't. Solar is a huge club, they are going to place more kids than a smaller club.

Mclean, has a of Davidson, a Dartmouth, a couple of Georgetowns, and Wake Forest. St. James has a bunch of DIs. Bethesda and Arlington have basically nothing which makes me wonder if they didn't bother entering the info



Arlington has had girls commit to Wake Forest, Syracuse, William and Mary, and Georgetown in just the last few months.


Are they being offered full scholarships? or are they committing to simply the next level of pay to play? Nothing wrong with that at all. Just be honest it is what it is. Yes the school education is the priority. However and I know ts a different landscape. A basketball player is more of an athletic accomplishment by getting a full scholarship. So yes congrats to making it to the next level of pay to play. Understand its deceiving to the majority who dont know how college soccer works.


is there anyone on this board implying that college soccer is a full ride? I highly doubt a parent with a kid good enough to get recruited never picked up on that in the decade that have likely been involved with travel soccer



There were three girls from fcv with full rides a year or so ago. Check top drawer soccer... can’t remember them all but one went to Penn State full ride.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2021 12:29     Subject: Re:Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

Anonymous wrote:^^^Can you acknowledge that your view is limited in scope. Each players has a unique situation. If you are a great player from family that can afford to foot the full bill then you have options. That same player without the family financial backing has more limited options but some that can cover the full tuition bill. Even at an elite program. Athletically scholarship is just one source. There are also other sources which can fill the gap. That isn't pay to play.


schools also find a way for programs they care about. I went to a school with no athletic scholarships, but all of the mens hockey (the sport the school cared about) players that I knew, just happened to be on academic scholarship
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2021 12:27     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess all the soccer players in the Dallas area are the children of Neanderthals. Give me a break. Successful people will teach their kids balance. As someone who has hired kids from elite undergrad and grad programs, kids who played DI and maintained a competitive academic profile always fared well in interviews compared to those who did not.

Obviously there are elite DI programs that encourage a balance and those that don't. If your DD has the potential to play at that level by working hard to get there, they are not going to be happy at a D3 program. The great thing about DI are the options. Lehigh and Bucknell differ from Harvard and Princeton which differ from Duke and Stanford but all three will offer you a great academic experience while offering a soccer experience that is ranges from competitive to supper competitive to elite competitiveness.


The kid who is choosing between playing at JMU or JHU isn't getting recruited by Duke or Stanford and may not be able to get into Princeton or Harvard. Between Dallas and DC, which city seems to care more about college prestige?


The OP nor the article is discussing DI programs outside the Power 5 or DIII programs. The discussion is about elite DI programs and the ability to balance high level soccer and elite academics. Solar has 20 girls going to high level soccer programs, including half going to Vandy, Michigan or UT. I am sorry but all three of those schools offer more academically for an elite athlete than DIII schools in New England that no one outside of the Northeast will have much familiarity. We aren't talking about borderline kids. We are talking about elite players who will get the attention of Power 5 coaches. If your kid wants to balance elite soccer with elite academics, there are plenty of options.


did you read the list from OP's link - Rogers State, Lubbock Christian, Northwestern State... There are some impressive schools and a lot that aren't. Solar is a huge club, they are going to place more kids than a smaller club.

Mclean, has a of Davidson, a Dartmouth, a couple of Georgetowns, and Wake Forest. St. James has a bunch of DIs. Bethesda and Arlington have basically nothing which makes me wonder if they didn't bother entering the info



Arlington has had girls commit to Wake Forest, Syracuse, William and Mary, and Georgetown in just the last few months.


Are they being offered full scholarships? or are they committing to simply the next level of pay to play? Nothing wrong with that at all. Just be honest it is what it is. Yes the school education is the priority. However and I know ts a different landscape. A basketball player is more of an athletic accomplishment by getting a full scholarship. So yes congrats to making it to the next level of pay to play. Understand its deceiving to the majority who dont know how college soccer works.


is there anyone on this board implying that college soccer is a full ride? I highly doubt a parent with a kid good enough to get recruited never picked up on that in the decade that have likely been involved with travel soccer
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2021 12:18     Subject: Re:Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

^^^Can you acknowledge that your view is limited in scope. Each players has a unique situation. If you are a great player from family that can afford to foot the full bill then you have options. That same player without the family financial backing has more limited options but some that can cover the full tuition bill. Even at an elite program. Athletically scholarship is just one source. There are also other sources which can fill the gap. That isn't pay to play.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2021 11:34     Subject: Do local clubs prepare girls for elite college programs?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I guess all the soccer players in the Dallas area are the children of Neanderthals. Give me a break. Successful people will teach their kids balance. As someone who has hired kids from elite undergrad and grad programs, kids who played DI and maintained a competitive academic profile always fared well in interviews compared to those who did not.

Obviously there are elite DI programs that encourage a balance and those that don't. If your DD has the potential to play at that level by working hard to get there, they are not going to be happy at a D3 program. The great thing about DI are the options. Lehigh and Bucknell differ from Harvard and Princeton which differ from Duke and Stanford but all three will offer you a great academic experience while offering a soccer experience that is ranges from competitive to supper competitive to elite competitiveness.


The kid who is choosing between playing at JMU or JHU isn't getting recruited by Duke or Stanford and may not be able to get into Princeton or Harvard. Between Dallas and DC, which city seems to care more about college prestige?


The OP nor the article is discussing DI programs outside the Power 5 or DIII programs. The discussion is about elite DI programs and the ability to balance high level soccer and elite academics. Solar has 20 girls going to high level soccer programs, including half going to Vandy, Michigan or UT. I am sorry but all three of those schools offer more academically for an elite athlete than DIII schools in New England that no one outside of the Northeast will have much familiarity. We aren't talking about borderline kids. We are talking about elite players who will get the attention of Power 5 coaches. If your kid wants to balance elite soccer with elite academics, there are plenty of options.


did you read the list from OP's link - Rogers State, Lubbock Christian, Northwestern State... There are some impressive schools and a lot that aren't. Solar is a huge club, they are going to place more kids than a smaller club.

Mclean, has a of Davidson, a Dartmouth, a couple of Georgetowns, and Wake Forest. St. James has a bunch of DIs. Bethesda and Arlington have basically nothing which makes me wonder if they didn't bother entering the info



Arlington has had girls commit to Wake Forest, Syracuse, William and Mary, and Georgetown in just the last few months.


Are they being offered full scholarships? or are they committing to simply the next level of pay to play? Nothing wrong with that at all. Just be honest it is what it is. Yes the school education is the priority. However and I know ts a different landscape. A basketball player is more of an athletic accomplishment by getting a full scholarship. So yes congrats to making it to the next level of pay to play. Understand its deceiving to the majority who dont know how college soccer works.