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Anonymous wrote:Whaaat? I was 41 and delivered at 40 weeks and then 42 and delivered at 41 weeks. Ohhh the good wise women of midwifery.

I guess if baby coming out of your vagina matters more than avoiding an “intervention” and not caring about an increased risk of stillbirth, sure.

This is how they operate. This method is no longer effective with most of us here.

We hire you to assist us, not to propagandize us.

Yes, this. I used to believe so much in midwives but I learned the hard way the limits of a midwife’s ability, their willing blindness in recognizing delivery complications, and their dogmatic adherence to birthing out the vagina ahead of all other outcomes. I fell victim
To their propaganda of support and empowerment in birth and the superiority of vaginal birth over C sections, and the irony is that I got more support and empowerment out of my C-section, and far preferred that delivery with my OB, than my midwife-assisted train wreck of a vaginal birth. I have had to spend a lot of time reviewing how I fell victim to such nonsense and their demonizing doctors, who ironically ended up giving me the most support.

Yep. I delivered a 10 lb baby via scheduled c section at 39 weeks because of concerns about shoulder dystocia. I’m so glad I did because my friend who delivered a 9 lb baby naturally with her midwives a few weeks later had horrible complications and a 3rd degree year. I don’t judge her for doing it obviously, but my outcome and recovery was way more positive than hers. I had a wonderful delivery and recovery with no issues and I am glad I was given the option to schedule the c section.

Wow
Nobody is forcing anyone to forgo a medically necessary c-section
Discussion is about low risk mothers having elective induced birth because of arrive study
And even the arrive study doesn’t recommend that every pregnancy be induced at 39 weeks

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whaaat? I was 41 and delivered at 40 weeks and then 42 and delivered at 41 weeks. Ohhh the good wise women of midwifery.

I guess if baby coming out of your vagina matters more than avoiding an “intervention” and not caring about an increased risk of stillbirth, sure.

This is how they operate. This method is no longer effective with most of us here.

We hire you to assist us, not to propagandize us.

Yes, this. I used to believe so much in midwives but I learned the hard way the limits of a midwife’s ability, their willing blindness in recognizing delivery complications, and their dogmatic adherence to birthing out the vagina ahead of all other outcomes. I fell victim
To their propaganda of support and empowerment in birth and the superiority of vaginal birth over C sections, and the irony is that I got more support and empowerment out of my C-section, and far preferred that delivery with my OB, than my midwife-assisted train wreck of a vaginal birth. I have had to spend a lot of time reviewing how I fell victim to such nonsense and their demonizing doctors, who ironically ended up giving me the most support.

Yep. I delivered a 10 lb baby via scheduled c section at 39 weeks because of concerns about shoulder dystocia. I’m so glad I did because my friend who delivered a 9 lb baby naturally with her midwives a few weeks later had horrible complications and a 3rd degree year. I don’t judge her for doing it obviously, but my outcome and recovery was way more positive than hers. I had a wonderful delivery and recovery with no issues and I am glad I was given the option to schedule the c section.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whaaat? I was 41 and delivered at 40 weeks and then 42 and delivered at 41 weeks. Ohhh the good wise women of midwifery.

I guess if baby coming out of your vagina matters more than avoiding an “intervention” and not caring about an increased risk of stillbirth, sure.

This is how they operate. This method is no longer effective with most of us here.

We hire you to assist us, not to propagandize us.

Yes, this. I used to believe so much in midwives but I learned the hard way the limits of a midwife’s ability, their willing blindness in recognizing delivery complications, and their dogmatic adherence to birthing out the vagina ahead of all other outcomes. I fell victim
To their propaganda of support and empowerment in birth and the superiority of vaginal birth over C sections, and the irony is that I got more support and empowerment out of my C-section, and far preferred that delivery with my OB, than my midwife-assisted train wreck of a vaginal birth. I have had to spend a lot of time reviewing how I fell victim to such nonsense and their demonizing doctors, who ironically ended up giving me the most support.

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Anonymous wrote:Whaaat? I was 41 and delivered at 40 weeks and then 42 and delivered at 41 weeks. Ohhh the good wise women of midwifery.

I guess if baby coming out of your vagina matters more than avoiding an “intervention” and not caring about an increased risk of stillbirth, sure.

This is how they operate. This method is no longer effective with most of us here.

We hire you to assist us, not to propagandize us.

Never made it to 38 weeks myself, so I wouldn't know!

I googled the arrive study. There is a lot of misinformation here.
The study was on low risk mothers who underwent elective induction during week 39 to 40

There is no way that the results should dictate a policy or that mothers should be guilted into anything

I have a family history of late term stillbirth. Even though my OBs told me there was unlikely a genetic reason, I preferred to be inducted by 39 weeks. My inductions were perfectly fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I trust the people that went to medical school.

You sound simple
Induction just because you are 39 weeks according to their calculation?
Induction leads to a horrible labor, your contractions are harder and more frequent. You will also most likely have a c section
I know someone who got induced 2 times and ended up with a c section
Drs are not all nice people

The ARRIVE Trial and other studies are why they are recommending this. Because they would rather you deliver a slightly smaller baby or have a tougher labor with a smaller baby because the benefits of delivering at 39 weeks outweigh the risk of waiting to go into labor naturally later with a bigger baby. Waiting increases risk of stillbirth, preeclampsia, hypertension, macrosomia, difficult birth, and perineal injury. It’s all about weighing benefits and risks. A c section is not the worst outcome you can have, a dead or permanently injured mother or baby is. Remember that, Mother Nature is not kind, old cemeteries are full of women and babies who died during childbirth.

I do not agree with threatening a pregnant woman with horror stories
Women are fine going over 39 weeks
Every person is different and you are being childish

Horror stories are some people’s reality. We do ourselves a disservice when we refuse to acknowledge reality. We all drive, yet we all know driving is inherently dangerous. We take precautions, and we know that while we are usually safe, sometimes there are accidents, and sometimes people die in horrific ways in the accidents or are permanently injured. Try looking at birth that way. Would you tell your driver’s Ed teacher they were being “childish” if they educated you about the risks of driving? Would you tell them they were threatening you with horror stories when they told
You about the risks and benefits of different choices, and how you can minimize the risk of certain outcomes by taking certain preventive steps? No, I didn’t think so. You would not get angry at someone telling you, that driving on snow and ice is more dangerous than in other conditions,
And that using snow tires or driving a 4WD car and driving slowly are strategies to minimize the risk. Yet some
Women like you howl when doctors want to share scientific, factual information with you about the risks and benefits of birth. It’s almost like you believe that knowing this information is harmful or threatens your commitment or will impact your outcome, which is nonsensical. Knowledge is freedom, and it is empowering. Be ignorant at your own peril.

I DO NOT put my blind trust in anyone. I do my own research.

I did deliver in a hospital, but did not arrive til I was nearly 9cm and delivered within the hour. No drugs, absolutely. Plan on doing the same with my 2nd, due in November.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I trust the people that went to medical school.

You sound simple
Induction just because you are 39 weeks according to their calculation?
Induction leads to a horrible labor, your contractions are harder and more frequent. You will also most likely have a c section
I know someone who got induced 2 times and ended up with a c section
Drs are not all nice people

The ARRIVE Trial and other studies are why they are recommending this. Because they would rather you deliver a slightly smaller baby or have a tougher labor with a smaller baby because the benefits of delivering at 39 weeks outweigh the risk of waiting to go into labor naturally later with a bigger baby. Waiting increases risk of stillbirth, preeclampsia, hypertension, macrosomia, difficult birth, and perineal injury. It’s all about weighing benefits and risks. A c section is not the worst outcome you can have, a dead or permanently injured mother or baby is. Remember that, Mother Nature is not kind, old cemeteries are full of women and babies who died during childbirth.

I do not agree with threatening a pregnant woman with horror stories
Women are fine going over 39 weeks
Every person is different and you are being childish

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I trust the people that went to medical school.

You sound simple
Induction just because you are 39 weeks according to their calculation?
Induction leads to a horrible labor, your contractions are harder and more frequent. You will also most likely have a c section
I know someone who got induced 2 times and ended up with a c section
Drs are not all nice people

I mean this is just false information. How is giving people false info “honoring their choices?”

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Anonymous wrote:Whaaat? I was 41 and delivered at 40 weeks and then 42 and delivered at 41 weeks. Ohhh the good wise women of midwifery.

are you me? Nearly identical scenario.

Love love my midwives who honored my wishes.

My body, my choices.

I just don’t get this. There’s no such thing as an OB who will force you to have an induction. But they recommend it in specific circumstances because of the science. Don’t the midwives explain the same science? I don’t understand how one or the other is “honoring your choices” more if they’re both just explaining the guidance and then you get to pick either way.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I trust the people that went to medical school.

You sound simple
Induction just because you are 39 weeks according to their calculation?
Induction leads to a horrible labor, your contractions are harder and more frequent. You will also most likely have a c section
I know someone who got induced 2 times and ended up with a c section
Drs are not all nice people

The ARRIVE Trial and other studies are why they are recommending this. Because they would rather you deliver a slightly smaller baby or have a tougher labor with a smaller baby because the benefits of delivering at 39 weeks outweigh the risk of waiting to go into labor naturally later with a bigger baby. Waiting increases risk of stillbirth, preeclampsia, hypertension, macrosomia, difficult birth, and perineal injury. It’s all about weighing benefits and risks. A c section is not the worst outcome you can have, a dead or permanently injured mother or baby is. Remember that, Mother Nature is not kind, old cemeteries are full of women and babies who died during childbirth.

I do not agree with threatening a pregnant woman with horror stories
Women are fine going over 39 weeks
Every person is different and you are being childish

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I trust the people that went to medical school.

You sound simple
Induction just because you are 39 weeks according to their calculation?
Induction leads to a horrible labor, your contractions are harder and more frequent. You will also most likely have a c section
I know someone who got induced 2 times and ended up with a c section
Drs are not all nice people

Source for induction means horrible labor? Mine was totally fine, short, no tearing, healthy baby, and I hope to do it again if it’s recommended.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I trust the people that went to medical school.

You sound simple
Induction just because you are 39 weeks according to their calculation?
Induction leads to a horrible labor, your contractions are harder and more frequent. You will also most likely have a c section
I know someone who got induced 2 times and ended up with a c section
Drs are not all nice people

The ARRIVE Trial and other studies are why they are recommending this. Because they would rather you deliver a slightly smaller baby or have a tougher labor with a smaller baby because the benefits of delivering at 39 weeks outweigh the risk of waiting to go into labor naturally later with a bigger baby. Waiting increases risk of stillbirth, preeclampsia, hypertension, macrosomia, difficult birth, and perineal injury. It’s all about weighing benefits and risks. A c section is not the worst outcome you can have, a dead or permanently injured mother or baby is. Remember that, Mother Nature is not kind, old cemeteries are full of women and babies who died during childbirth.