Anonymous wrote:Infections in districts with schools open are spread almost 50/50 between adults and students. You can't say with any authority that teachers are infecting their students and not the other way around. That's so offensive and wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

It's less risky because it's the same small cohort. Not a roving set of potentially hundreds of different adult patrons every week. And you can also strictly reduce the time unmasked.

Assuming parents aren't rushing to Ohio and Wisconsin over the holiday and coming back with infected kids.

Ok, and assuming teachers and staff aren't either? Some of the research I've seen suggests that most school/daycare staff infections are due to the ADULTS getting it in the community and then not observing proper masking and social distancing at work.

This. If the teachers their jobs thoughtfully, this COVID transmission would be a rare and minor issue in classrooms. They're the threat, not the students.

That is a ridiculous assertion. Unless you're testing everyone regularly and you prove that students aren't asymptomatically spreading it to teachers, you have no idea who "the threat" is. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is why I hope schools stay shuttered all year. No matter what teachers do, you think you have the right to accuse them of somehow sabotaging your children. If they go back to work, they're "behaving recklessly and spreading the virus to children". If they do virtual learning, they are lazy and they hate children. Enjoy being with your own children and stop trying to cast blame on teachers for your personal problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

It's less risky because it's the same small cohort. Not a roving set of potentially hundreds of different adult patrons every week. And you can also strictly reduce the time unmasked.

Assuming parents aren't rushing to Ohio and Wisconsin over the holiday and coming back with infected kids.

Ok, and assuming teachers and staff aren't either? Some of the research I've seen suggests that most school/daycare staff infections are due to the ADULTS getting it in the community and then not observing proper masking and social distancing at work.

This. If the teachers their jobs thoughtfully, this COVID transmission would be a rare and minor issue in classrooms. They're the threat, not the students.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

It's less risky because it's the same small cohort. Not a roving set of potentially hundreds of different adult patrons every week. And you can also strictly reduce the time unmasked.

Assuming parents aren't rushing to Ohio and Wisconsin over the holiday and coming back with infected kids.

Ok, and assuming teachers and staff aren't either? Some of the research I've seen suggests that most school/daycare staff infections are due to the ADULTS getting it in the community and then not observing proper masking and social distancing at work.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

It's less risky because it's the same small cohort. Not a roving set of potentially hundreds of different adult patrons every week. And you can also strictly reduce the time unmasked.

Assuming parents aren't rushing to Ohio and Wisconsin over the holiday and coming back with infected kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

It's less risky because it's the same small cohort. Not a roving set of potentially hundreds of different adult patrons every week. And you can also strictly reduce the time unmasked.

Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

Anonymous wrote:Kids eat two meals a day unmasked in my classroom and hang out there for seven hours at a time. Remind me how that’s less risky than “indoor dining”? It’s the same thing, except restaurants are much cleaner.

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Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher socialy purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

Hmm. So an adult NEEDS a gym to get exercise, and it's unfair to close gyms (for public safety), but if a child needs school for physical and mental health, tough? How about all the full grown adults currently filling gyms and bars and restaurants take up running, stock a home bar, and learn to cook?

If you have a child who needs school for physical and mental health that is YOUR problem. Adults without children owe your children nothing and should not be forced to share in the burden of them.

So 99% of people with children should not be parents because most parents rely on schools to ensure their kids mental and physical health. Very, very few parents would choose to homeschool.

Anyway, good luck having a functioning society where only parents who are willing to homeschool, or who can afford private school, have kids. It'll be a fun few years before the whole system collapses. Have fun!

Sounds like you may want to consider moving to a country with institutions that are more conducive to collective welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

If your kids aren't getting regular exercise (for which, of course, they need no equipment and sure as hell don't need to go to a gym), you are failing as a parent. There are 24 hours in a day and seven days in a week, not all of which are consumed by DL. Use them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher social purpose.

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Anonymous wrote:I think comparing indoor dining to gyms is not very fair. Yes, I know "huffing and puffing" freaks a lot of people out, but there really have been very few outbreaks at gyms worldwide. In addition, there are actual health benefits to going to the gym and exercising (both physical and mental health benefits). Indoor dining... not so much.

We're actually comparing schools to restaurants and gyms. You know who isn't getting the health benefits of going to the gym and exercising? School kids! A lot of kids are reporting many of the physical ailments normally found in adult office-workers -- joint stiffness, sore back and necks, eye strain. Because DL treats small children like middle-aged corporate drones. Next time you are at the gym, feeling good as you improve your body and mind, please take a moment to think about how there are thousands of kids in this city who are struggling to find a similar outlet because of the way we have failed to prioritize them.

I would be fine opening gyms before indoor dining... after we open schools. And if anything has to close, it would be fine to keep gyms open longer than indoor dining because they are lower risk... but they should both close before schools, which serve a much higher socialy purpose.

Here's an idea. Take your kids for a bike, scooter, walk. Your kids can get exercise. You are being lazy if you think its the school's job when its the parents job.

Hmm. So an adult NEEDS a gym to get exercise, and it's unfair to close gyms (for public safety), but if a child needs school for physical and mental health, tough? How about all the full grown adults currently filling gyms and bars and restaurants take up running, stock a home bar, and learn to cook?

If you have a child who needs school for physical and mental health that is YOUR problem. Adults without children owe your children nothing and should not be forced to share in the burden of them.

So 99% of people with children should not be parents because most parents rely on schools to ensure their kids mental and physical health. Very, very few parents would choose to homeschool.

Anyway, good luck having a functioning society where only parents who are willing to homeschool, or who can afford private school, have kids. It'll be a fun few years before the whole system collapses. Have fun!

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Anonymous wrote:I was thinking the same thing as I walked by the packed brewery in my neighborhood. Wouldn't it be nice if my kid could sit at a table like the people in the brewery and learn in person? No, apparently public education is the least important thing in our lives. Way less important than bars.

Or protecting kids and teachers is more important than protecting restaurant workers and diners? Plus diners can be barred if they don't comply. Will schools be able to bar kids who don't comply?

You’re allowing the spectre of the “kid who won’t wear a mask” to effectively have more power than an actual kid who won’t wear a mask. Because you keep on trotting out that mythical kid as a way to block schools from opening.