Anonymous
11/16/2020 00:38
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Guest players should never start ahead if registered players.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 22:10
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How common is it for coach's to roster a "ringer" for a tournament? I'm talking about a GOAT who maybe plays for another league, maybe another age-group, coming in for a tournament with zero practices with the team ahead of time. Just shows up on the roster 2 days before the tournament-- no conversation at all with the players or the parents.
It happens and it is CREEPY when the coach does not communicate it to parents and players. The guest player shows up in the tournament and ends up more time than other players. What a heck is in the coach brain? It is disrespectful to the whole team and families.
And the "coach" says: ...Oh but if the player helps the team win, then their gs points are higher, then they get into better tournaments, and that helps the whole team.
And mom/dad should say: You're fired. We hired you to teach our kids soccer not pretend you're in the premier league. And by the way, did that kid pay anything towards the tournament entry fee?
+10000000000000
Or the coach says ...oh guests needed in case someone is sick
Which hardly ever happens. What about the benched kids, aren’t they supposed to take over the sick player? NOPE per the creepy coach.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 20:33
Subject: Re:Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:It’s usually the struggling team$ that need those gs points or looking to fill rosters to the max or more. Once you’re in, it’ll be your DC sitting while guest players take away their minutes.
Doubtful- they can’t afford for the current players to get pissed and leave
Anonymous
11/06/2020 20:02
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Well there are "super teams" made up of recruited players from various clubs that only play together in tournaments vs being a regular team that has a season with games and then some tournaments. One in particular is based out of the Soccerplex. In our tournament, the way the playoffs worked out, we played a team in team in the playoff qualifier only to then play them again in the finals of the playoffs. Same coach, supposedly same team, but we all noticed that the starters were not the same kids from the day before. Coach made zero substitutions. They beat us 5-1. These were not the kids that were playing in the tournament. They brought in 6 guest players just for the finals. this was U9. Disgusting.
+1 Last year we were losing to a team that I later found out was guesting players from multiple levels up all season. We beat them when the guest players couldn't play. Very disgusting and sad for our team whos egos were taking a hit, never realizing they were playing kids not in their bracket.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 19:22
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How common is it for coach's to roster a "ringer" for a tournament? I'm talking about a GOAT who maybe plays for another league, maybe another age-group, coming in for a tournament with zero practices with the team ahead of time. Just shows up on the roster 2 days before the tournament-- no conversation at all with the players or the parents.
It happens and it is CREEPY when the coach does not communicate it to parents and players. The guest player shows up in the tournament and ends up more time than other players. What a heck is in the coach brain? It is disrespectful to the whole team and families.
And the "coach" says: ...Oh but if the player helps the team win, then their gs points are higher, then they get into better tournaments, and that helps the whole team.
And mom/dad should say: You're fired. We hired you to teach our kids soccer not pretend you're in the premier league. And by the way, did that kid pay anything towards the tournament entry fee?
+10000000000000
Or the coach says ...oh guests needed in case someone is sick
Anonymous
11/06/2020 18:25
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How common is it for coach's to roster a "ringer" for a tournament? I'm talking about a GOAT who maybe plays for another league, maybe another age-group, coming in for a tournament with zero practices with the team ahead of time. Just shows up on the roster 2 days before the tournament-- no conversation at all with the players or the parents.
It happens and it is CREEPY when the coach does not communicate it to parents and players. The guest player shows up in the tournament and ends up more time than other players. What a heck is in the coach brain? It is disrespectful to the whole team and families.
And the "coach" says: ...Oh but if the player helps the team win, then their gs points are higher, then they get into better tournaments, and that helps the whole team.
And mom/dad should say: You're fired. We hired you to teach our kids soccer not pretend you're in the premier league. And by the way, did that kid pay anything towards the tournament entry fee?
+10000000000000
Anonymous
11/06/2020 17:54
Subject: Re:Tournament Ringers
It’s usually the struggling team$ that need those gs points or looking to fill rosters to the max or more. Once you’re in, it’ll be your DC sitting while guest players take away their minutes.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 17:22
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well there are "super teams" made up of recruited players from various clubs that only play together in tournaments vs being a regular team that has a season with games and then some tournaments. One in particular is based out of the Soccerplex. In our tournament, the way the playoffs worked out, we played a team in team in the playoff qualifier only to then play them again in the finals of the playoffs. Same coach, supposedly same team, but we all noticed that the starters were not the same kids from the day before. Coach made zero substitutions. They beat us 5-1. These were not the kids that were playing in the tournament. They brought in 6 guest players just for the finals. this was U9. Disgusting.
Why is that disgusting?
Because the group of kids who were the original team were responsible for the team advancing to the finals. They played and won those games. And then in the finals, to bench those kids and bring in an entire new set of kids to guarantee the win, well that not only is disgusting, it's unethical and cheating.
It’s not cheating if they were allowed to roster 6 guest players. It is sad for the kids who had to sit out while they were replaced by better starters. It is frustrating for the losing team to see new better players. Don’t call it cheating unless it was a clear violation of the rules.
You can put all the liptstick you want on a pig, it's still a pig.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 16:23
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How common is it for coach's to roster a "ringer" for a tournament? I'm talking about a GOAT who maybe plays for another league, maybe another age-group, coming in for a tournament with zero practices with the team ahead of time. Just shows up on the roster 2 days before the tournament-- no conversation at all with the players or the parents.
It happens and it is CREEPY when the coach does not communicate it to parents and players. The guest player shows up in the tournament and ends up more time than other players. What a heck is in the coach brain? It is disrespectful to the whole team and families.
And the "coach" says: ...Oh but if the player helps the team win, then their gs points are higher, then they get into better tournaments, and that helps the whole team.
And mom/dad should say: You're fired. We hired you to teach our kids soccer not pretend you're in the premier league. And by the way, did that kid pay anything towards the tournament entry fee?
Anonymous
11/06/2020 15:42
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well there are "super teams" made up of recruited players from various clubs that only play together in tournaments vs being a regular team that has a season with games and then some tournaments. One in particular is based out of the Soccerplex. In our tournament, the way the playoffs worked out, we played a team in team in the playoff qualifier only to then play them again in the finals of the playoffs. Same coach, supposedly same team, but we all noticed that the starters were not the same kids from the day before. Coach made zero substitutions. They beat us 5-1. These were not the kids that were playing in the tournament. They brought in 6 guest players just for the finals. this was U9. Disgusting.
Why is that disgusting?
Because the group of kids who were the original team were responsible for the team advancing to the finals. They played and won those games. And then in the finals, to bench those kids and bring in an entire new set of kids to guarantee the win, well that not only is disgusting, it's unethical and cheating.
It’s not cheating if they were allowed to roster 6 guest players. It is sad for the kids who had to sit out while they were replaced by better starters. It is frustrating for the losing team to see new better players. Don’t call it cheating unless it was a clear violation of the rules.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 10:06
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re talking about team America, at U9 they have tons of kids who play when they can- it’s a super loose structure
Yes that is also the club that has 13 year olds play down in U10 games.
Where would one go get a birth certificate for the 13 yo? How much does it cost? My DS would love to rack up so goals against 9 year olds. thanks for the great idea!
https://certifiedonlinedoc.com/services/birthcertificate/
Think it's about $50.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 08:19
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:If you’re talking about team America, at U9 they have tons of kids who play when they can- it’s a super loose structure
They aren't U9 anymore, that was a few years ago. We recognize several of those same kids every year. They play sometimes for Bethesda, sometimes for other Maryland teams. For futsal, they go by the name soccer misfits. They're very good. But they need to be their own regular team (which they are sort of for futsal), not to be used by coaches and clubs to be brought it for tournament finals (I am not talking one guest player, I am talking 5-9 guest players, they're like a guest team). I also wonder re their age, some have always looked much older.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 08:15
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well there are "super teams" made up of recruited players from various clubs that only play together in tournaments vs being a regular team that has a season with games and then some tournaments. One in particular is based out of the Soccerplex. In our tournament, the way the playoffs worked out, we played a team in team in the playoff qualifier only to then play them again in the finals of the playoffs. Same coach, supposedly same team, but we all noticed that the starters were not the same kids from the day before. Coach made zero substitutions. They beat us 5-1. These were not the kids that were playing in the tournament. They brought in 6 guest players just for the finals. this was U9. Disgusting.
Why is that disgusting?
Because the group of kids who were the original team were responsible for the team advancing to the finals. They played and won those games. And then in the finals, to bench those kids and bring in an entire new set of kids to guarantee the win, well that not only is disgusting, it's unethical and cheating.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 08:05
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How common is it for coach's to roster a "ringer" for a tournament? I'm talking about a GOAT who maybe plays for another league, maybe another age-group, coming in for a tournament with zero practices with the team ahead of time. Just shows up on the roster 2 days before the tournament-- no conversation at all with the players or the parents.
It happens and it is CREEPY when the coach does not communicate it to parents and players. The guest player shows up in the tournament and ends up more time than other players. What a heck is in the coach brain? It is disrespectful to the whole team and families.
I don't know about creepy. but it is disappointing. Especially if they don't even come out for a practice or two.
On the other hand...as parents, let's be honest:
How often have we watched a game and thought, "Man, we would totally be winning if it wasn't for Player A!" So then Player A gets replaced with a better player and we win...Yay, right? As long as our kid isn't Player A.
Thats a good point and made me think about that scenario. Our team has a small roster already with a couple new travel players (meaning not have played travel before) and they are still adjusting to the pace of the games etc. I was actually going to recommend to get 1-2 guest players in our next tournament to have a deeper bench but I assume if they are quality players would it decrease the playing time even more for those still improving? I wonder what one of those parents would think.
Anonymous
11/06/2020 07:58
Subject: Tournament Ringers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How common is it for coach's to roster a "ringer" for a tournament? I'm talking about a GOAT who maybe plays for another league, maybe another age-group, coming in for a tournament with zero practices with the team ahead of time. Just shows up on the roster 2 days before the tournament-- no conversation at all with the players or the parents.
It happens and it is CREEPY when the coach does not communicate it to parents and players. The guest player shows up in the tournament and ends up more time than other players. What a heck is in the coach brain? It is disrespectful to the whole team and families.
I don't know about creepy. but it is disappointing. Especially if they don't even come out for a practice or two.
On the other hand...as parents, let's be honest:
How often have we watched a game and thought, "Man, we would totally be winning if it wasn't for Player A!" So then Player A gets replaced with a better player and we win...Yay, right? As long as our kid isn't Player A.