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Anonymous wrote:Selective listening too much? I guess we are trying to rewrite history here with this incredibly racist move of removing race blind admissions. And forcing quotas. We all know who this elaborate charade really helps. It is not the disadvantaged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:More from Vern Williams - sorry I just read this and had to share:

"During my forty-plus years as an FCPS teacher I always made clear that I would never view my students through a racial or cultural lens....

Williams lost me when he claimed TJ was built for its current test-in students. It was not. It was built for students living in Alexandria, Annandale and Falls Church in 1964. The school was then taken away from the community for which it was built at the whims of a Republican-controlled county government in the mid-1980s, and FCPS has been dealing with the fallout ever since.

He can solve all the proofs he wants, but he can't rewrite history.

the incredibly racist move or removing one race blind system for a another race blind system that has a regional balance? Right not TJ exists not just for a narrow section of the county in terms of race, but also in terms of geography. TJ was never meant to be just a pyramid school for Carson and Longfellow

Longfellow feeds only to McLean HS, which is already overcrowded and has been neglected by FCPS for years. They have no plan to deal with additional kids from Longfellow ending up there rather than at TJ.

So in that sense TJ has become a pyramid school for Longfellow (and Carson). If that bothers you so much, you should have been challenging the School Board when it was allocating almost $40 million to expand West Potomac and almost $20 million to expand each of Justice and Madison, but almost nothing to McLean. The “planning” in FCPS is abysmal and Brabrand hadn’t even begun to think about the spill-over effects on other pyramids when he rolled out his lottery proposal. Now, several months later, they still haven’t.

TJ was originally a base school but the program and renovation targeted it's current purpose so Williams is not incorrect. FCPS has a long history of moving GT/AAP to fill buildings. When Carson was new it was even on the table as a scenario for the Longfellow overflow that eventually ended up at Kilmer. FCPS used GT as a building filler rather than change base school boundaries. With the ballooning of AAP Kilmer got overloaded so FCPS SB ended up sticking AAP at some base schools. Carson for 2019-20 had about 363 or 24% out of boundary AAP infused.

Warner and Kaine? I don't understand why anyone would talk to either about TJ. Warner was The Guv in Governors School from 2002-06 [Kaine Lt] and Kaine the Guv from 2006-2010. TJ and URM was a hot topic locally throughout their tenures. Their tenures also covered part of the period when the demographics were rapidly changing in FCPS. Kaine wanted to cut 61m from FCPS and VA has never changed funding formulas to account for the huge infusion especially post DACA of students with limited or interrupted formal education. Many were not the result of new households and a significant number were additions to existing households of sponsors. Property tax argument moot.

https://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/crossroads-colors-kaines-cuts/

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/02/fairfax_lawsuit_over_school_fu.html

https://www.econlib.org/archives/2012/08/aa_at_tj_redux.html

See p 15 of the 2020 package
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/2020%20FCSB%20LP%20Adopted-Amended.pdf


What's the TJ breakdown on base high schools students would otherwise attend? Base elementary, school attended, MS base, MS attended? All that bond money and Oakton/Mclean/Cville/Chantilly overcrowding.

You think they'll put in a lottery system at UVA?

I believe the lottery will go through in the current climate. It's a response to BLM. It won't work, mismatch theory anyone?

yep. get used to it. have a lottery and get used to having a mediocre school. it is what is!

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Anonymous wrote:Race blind system with a regional balance? Oxymoron?

No one said TJ exists for a race. That's why there is an admissions test! which is now being removed. you could have the same test with a broader catchment. that's not what is being proposed. Let's just call it what it is - it is an unfair and lazy solution and being pushed because you can. and it will eventually lead to more white kids getting into the school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selective listening too much? I guess we are trying to rewrite history here with this incredibly racist move of removing race blind admissions. And forcing quotas. We all know who this elaborate charade really helps. It is not the disadvantaged kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More from Vern Williams - sorry I just read this and had to share:

"During my forty-plus years as an FCPS teacher I always made clear that I would never view my students through a racial or cultural lens. I am part of the old school crowd who still believes, as did Martin Luther King, that one should be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. The “One Fairfax” doctrine seems to suggest the opposite view. I sense that changing the TJ Admissions process is only the beginning. Every program for advanced/gifted students ranging from AP participation to AAP will be viewed through a racial lens instead of an academic/readiness lens. I feel that they will be diluted to the point of non-existence."

Williams lost me when he claimed TJ was built for its current test-in students. It was not. It was built for students living in Alexandria, Annandale and Falls Church in 1964. The school was then taken away from the community for which it was built at the whims of a Republican-controlled county government in the mid-1980s, and FCPS has been dealing with the fallout ever since.

He can solve all the proofs he wants, but he can't rewrite history.

the incredibly racist move or removing one race blind system for a another race blind system that has a regional balance? Right not TJ exists not just for a narrow section of the county in terms of race, but also in terms of geography. TJ was never meant to be just a pyramid school for Carson and Longfellow

get used to it- it's the same solution that in state schools use to make sure that kids from SWVA can get in alongside kids from Arlington

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selective listening too much? I guess we are trying to rewrite history here with this incredibly racist move of removing race blind admissions. And forcing quotas. We all know who this elaborate charade really helps. It is not the disadvantaged kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More from Vern Williams - sorry I just read this and had to share:

"During my forty-plus years as an FCPS teacher I always made clear that I would never view my students through a racial or cultural lens. I am part of the old school crowd who still believes, as did Martin Luther King, that one should be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. The “One Fairfax” doctrine seems to suggest the opposite view. I sense that changing the TJ Admissions process is only the beginning. Every program for advanced/gifted students ranging from AP participation to AAP will be viewed through a racial lens instead of an academic/readiness lens. I feel that they will be diluted to the point of non-existence."

Williams lost me when he claimed TJ was built for its current test-in students. It was not. It was built for students living in Alexandria, Annandale and Falls Church in 1964. The school was then taken away from the community for which it was built at the whims of a Republican-controlled county government in the mid-1980s, and FCPS has been dealing with the fallout ever since.

He can solve all the proofs he wants, but he can't rewrite history.

the incredibly racist move or removing one race blind system for a another race blind system that has a regional balance? Right not TJ exists not just for a narrow section of the county in terms of race, but also in terms of geography. TJ was never meant to be just a pyramid school for Carson and Longfellow

Longfellow feeds only to McLean HS, which is already overcrowded and has been neglected by FCPS for years. They have no plan to deal with additional kids from Longfellow ending up there rather than at TJ.

So in that sense TJ has become a pyramid school for Longfellow (and Carson). If that bothers you so much, you should have been challenging the School Board when it was allocating almost $40 million to expand West Potomac and almost $20 million to expand each of Justice and Madison, but almost nothing to McLean. The “planning” in FCPS is abysmal and Brabrand hadn’t even begun to think about the spill-over effects on other pyramids when he rolled out his lottery proposal. Now, several months later, they still haven’t.

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Anonymous wrote:
the incredibly racist move or removing one race blind system for a another race blind system that has a regional balance? Right not TJ exists not just for a narrow section of the county in terms of race, but also in terms of geography. TJ was never meant to be just a pyramid school for Carson and Longfellow

Yes, geography, the old tool Harvard used to limit Jewish enrollment.

What Harvard does is actually a little more insidious. It pretends to be all about increasing URM enrollment by limiting Asian admissions (higher admission standards for Asians etc.), while hoping that nobody sees that a massive proportion of its admits are legacies / donor admits, who, if you go by the merit argument, do not deserve to be there.
https://qz.com/1713033/at-harvard-43-percent-of-white-students-are-legacies-or-athletes/. So the system targets Asians, paints Asians as URM enemies, and uses the ensuing drama to camouflage its own perfidy.

Now, what do you bet that the 100/400 scheme being proposed is all about perpetuating that legacy of backdoor entry into TJ? The 'merit' criteria for the 100 appear to be very subjective.

what school isn't open about preferring legacies? Who do you think elects the boards that run most schools? If you went to a private university, the next time you get to vote on a board- look at any insurgency candidate and there's a good change that increasing legacy admissions will be part of the platform.

Will call the Senator and let him know I support the proposed change. Perhaps donate to his campaign fund.

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Anonymous wrote:
the incredibly racist move or removing one race blind system for a another race blind system that has a regional balance? Right not TJ exists not just for a narrow section of the county in terms of race, but also in terms of geography. TJ was never meant to be just a pyramid school for Carson and Longfellow

Yes, geography, the old tool Harvard used to limit Jewish enrollment.

What Harvard does is actually a little more insidious. It pretends to be all about increasing URM enrollment by limiting Asian admissions (higher admission standards for Asians etc.), while hoping that nobody sees that a massive proportion of its admits are legacies / donor admits, who, if you go by the merit argument, do not deserve to be there.
https://qz.com/1713033/at-harvard-43-percent-of-white-students-are-legacies-or-athletes/. So the system targets Asians, paints Asians as URM enemies, and uses the ensuing drama to camouflage its own perfidy.

Now, what do you bet that the 100/400 scheme being proposed is all about perpetuating that legacy of backdoor entry into TJ? The 'merit' criteria for the 100 appear to be very subjective.

Anonymous wrote:Vern Williams spoke at last night’s SB meeting. The fact that his input wasn’t sought shows how agenda-driven this process has been. They know what they want to do and are just trying to rig admissions to get the numbers.

Mr. Williams has offered to write a non preppable test. TJ teachers could write the test. Mr. Williams has offered to mentor underrepresented middle schoolers for free. Brabrand and Qarni just don’t care about merit.

+1. They don't care about making changes that could actually benefit URMs either.

Anonymous wrote:Race blind system with a regional balance? Oxymoron?

No one said TJ exists for a race. That's why there is an admissions test! which is now being removed. you could have the same test with a broader catchment. that's not what is being proposed. Let's just call it what it is - it is an unfair and lazy solution and being pushed because you can. and it will eventually lead to more white kids getting into the school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selective listening too much? I guess we are trying to rewrite history here with this incredibly racist move of removing race blind admissions. And forcing quotas. We all know who this elaborate charade really helps. It is not the disadvantaged kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More from Vern Williams - sorry I just read this and had to share:

"During my forty-plus years as an FCPS teacher I always made clear that I would never view my students through a racial or cultural lens. I am part of the old school crowd who still believes, as did Martin Luther King, that one should be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. The “One Fairfax” doctrine seems to suggest the opposite view. I sense that changing the TJ Admissions process is only the beginning. Every program for advanced/gifted students ranging from AP participation to AAP will be viewed through a racial lens instead of an academic/readiness lens. I feel that they will be diluted to the point of non-existence."

Williams lost me when he claimed TJ was built for its current test-in students. It was not. It was built for students living in Alexandria, Annandale and Falls Church in 1964. The school was then taken away from the community for which it was built at the whims of a Republican-controlled county government in the mid-1980s, and FCPS has been dealing with the fallout ever since.

He can solve all the proofs he wants, but he can't rewrite history.

the incredibly racist move or removing one race blind system for a another race blind system that has a regional balance? Right not TJ exists not just for a narrow section of the county in terms of race, but also in terms of geography. TJ was never meant to be just a pyramid school for Carson and Longfellow

get used to it- it's the same solution that in state schools use to make sure that kids from SWVA can get in alongside kids from Arlington

Race blind system with a regional balance? Oxymoron?

No one said TJ exists for a race. That's why there is an admissions test! which is now being removed. you could have the same test with a broader catchment. that's not what is being proposed. Let's just call it what it is - it is an unfair and lazy solution and being pushed because you can. and it will eventually lead to more white kids getting into the school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Selective listening too much? I guess we are trying to rewrite history here with this incredibly racist move of removing race blind admissions. And forcing quotas. We all know who this elaborate charade really helps. It is not the disadvantaged kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More from Vern Williams - sorry I just read this and had to share:

"During my forty-plus years as an FCPS teacher I always made clear that I would never view my students through a racial or cultural lens. I am part of the old school crowd who still believes, as did Martin Luther King, that one should be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. The “One Fairfax” doctrine seems to suggest the opposite view. I sense that changing the TJ Admissions process is only the beginning. Every program for advanced/gifted students ranging from AP participation to AAP will be viewed through a racial lens instead of an academic/readiness lens. I feel that they will be diluted to the point of non-existence."

Williams lost me when he claimed TJ was built for its current test-in students. It was not. It was built for students living in Alexandria, Annandale and Falls Church in 1964. The school was then taken away from the community for which it was built at the whims of a Republican-controlled county government in the mid-1980s, and FCPS has been dealing with the fallout ever since.

He can solve all the proofs he wants, but he can't rewrite history.

the incredibly racist move or removing one race blind system for a another race blind system that has a regional balance? Right not TJ exists not just for a narrow section of the county in terms of race, but also in terms of geography. TJ was never meant to be just a pyramid school for Carson and Longfellow

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Anonymous wrote:It is a camouflaged way of getting more white kids in using a URM smoke screen. Basically it will be a white majority school soon. It is all about not so enlightened self-interest.

btw we should be talking about quotas in spelling bee too. Maybe penalize folks for the wrong accent or color?

Anonymous wrote:the American way is about taking the best and brightest and most talented aka the land of opportunity

now overly woke SJW democrats want everything to be about race well actually just about some races (URM) it total and complete bs

look around, white kids don't want to be there. It's not remotely worth the effort- most kids are much better positioned for college staying in their pyramid school, the social life comes across as misery and the travel distance precludes most activities

shh you are too close to the truth. It's all going to shake out once they get away with the high standards more asians won't want to go either and then you will get more URM. All sides win

Anonymous wrote:It is a camouflaged way of getting more white kids in using a URM smoke screen. Basically it will be a white majority school soon. It is all about not so enlightened self-interest.

btw we should be talking about quotas in spelling bee too. Maybe penalize folks for the wrong accent or color?

Anonymous wrote:the American way is about taking the best and brightest and most talented aka the land of opportunity

now overly woke SJW democrats want everything to be about race well actually just about some races (URM) it total and complete bs

look around, white kids don't want to be there. It's not remotely worth the effort- most kids are much better positioned for college staying in their pyramid school, the social life comes across as misery and the travel distance precludes most activities

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
the incredibly racist move or removing one race blind system for a another race blind system that has a regional balance? Right not TJ exists not just for a narrow section of the county in terms of race, but also in terms of geography. TJ was never meant to be just a pyramid school for Carson and Longfellow

Yes, geography, the old tool Harvard used to limit Jewish enrollment.

sure the tax payers in region three should just accept being SOL because FCPS refuses to makes any school remotely comparable to Carson.

It is a camouflaged way of getting more white kids in using a URM smoke screen. Basically it will be a white majority school soon. It is all about not so enlightened self-interest.

btw we should be talking about quotas in spelling bee too. Maybe penalize folks for the wrong accent or color?

Anonymous wrote:the American way is about taking the best and brightest and most talented aka the land of opportunity

now overly woke SJW democrats want everything to be about race well actually just about some races (URM) it total and complete bs