Anonymous
10/16/2020 16:45
Subject: Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If someone can pay in-state for U.V.A. Then of course that is a deal. Other than Berkeley + U.C.L.A. Most state schools are just that-- public schools for the masses
What do you mean by "other than Berkeley + UCLA" other schools are public schools for the masses? Let's compare...
UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
[Highestb]UNC[/b]: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA
In what state are the masses averaging these stats?
The Top 5 public schools are Top 5 for a reason. Not for the masses at all. Incredibly selective and competing with large national privates quite well.
UVA has the highest gpa, by a mile
Anonymous
10/16/2020 16:41
Subject: Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Anonymous wrote:If someone can pay in-state for U.V.A. Then of course that is a deal. Other than Berkeley + U.C.L.A. Most state schools are just that-- public schools for the masses
What do you mean by "other than Berkeley + UCLA" other schools are public schools for the masses? Let's compare...
UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
UNC: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA
In what state are the masses averaging these stats?
The Top 5 public schools are Top 5 for a reason. Not for the masses at all. Incredibly selective and competing with large national privates quite well.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 16:33
Subject: Re:Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Anonymous wrote:A lot of U-Mich grads end up in DC for work. Plus, the school is just so much bigger so you can find a community of Michigan alums in pretty much every major American city. Therefore, there’s just a lot more name recognition than UVA.
Frankly, with the multi decade post-industrial decline of the Michigan economy, the grads tended to leave the state and therefore you have a huge diaspora everywhere else. The parents then really want to send their kids to U-Michigan, despite the next generation having only superficial ties to the state.
Meanwhile, tons of UVA alums stuck around the DMV because the economic opportunities were always favorable.
When I hear a DMV family considering U-Michigan, it’s because they’re transplants and/or can afford the outrageous OOS tuition.
For everyone not in Virginia, there would be OOS at both schools, and given the choice between the two as a MD or DC resident, UM is much preferred to UVa.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 16:30
Subject: Re:Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Anonymous wrote:Of course, Virginia is in state for a lot of Virginia people. That means it's cheaper.
FIFY
Anonymous
10/16/2020 16:22
Subject: Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
If someone can pay in-state for U.V.A. Then of course that is a deal. Other than Berkeley + U.C.L.A. Most state schools are just that-- public schools for the masses
Anonymous
10/16/2020 16:06
Subject: Re:Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
A lot of U-Mich grads end up in DC for work. Plus, the school is just so much bigger so you can find a community of Michigan alums in pretty much every major American city. Therefore, there’s just a lot more name recognition than UVA.
Frankly, with the multi decade post-industrial decline of the Michigan economy, the grads tended to leave the state and therefore you have a huge diaspora everywhere else. The parents then really want to send their kids to U-Michigan, despite the next generation having only superficial ties to the state.
Meanwhile, tons of UVA alums stuck around the DMV because the economic opportunities were always favorable.
When I hear a DMV family considering U-Michigan, it’s because they’re transplants and/or can afford the outrageous OOS tuition.
Frankly, with the multi decade post-industrial decline of the Michigan economy, the grads tended to leave the state and therefore you have a huge diaspora everywhere else. The parents then really want to send their kids to U-Michigan, despite the next generation having only superficial ties to the state.
Meanwhile, tons of UVA alums stuck around the DMV because the economic opportunities were always favorable.
When I hear a DMV family considering U-Michigan, it’s because they’re transplants and/or can afford the outrageous OOS tuition.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 15:31
Subject: Re:Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Schools have some significant differences. UMich undergrad enrollment is almost twice the size of UVA: 31,266 vs. 17,011. Midwest vs. South location. Cold vs. Milder climate.
Student selectivity is VERY similar. UMich acceptance rate is 23%, UVA is 24%. UMich avg SAT is 1435, UVA is 1420. UMich avg ACT is 32.5, UVA is 32. UMich avg. GPA is 3.88, UVA is 4.32.
Not sure how you're measuring preference. But in terms of quality, both are outstanding universities. Can't go wrong with either of them.
Student selectivity is VERY similar. UMich acceptance rate is 23%, UVA is 24%. UMich avg SAT is 1435, UVA is 1420. UMich avg ACT is 32.5, UVA is 32. UMich avg. GPA is 3.88, UVA is 4.32.
Not sure how you're measuring preference. But in terms of quality, both are outstanding universities. Can't go wrong with either of them.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 15:00
Subject: Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Anonymous wrote:OP, it seems like you are asking a random sampling of people for a general opinion which means your informal survey results will be skewed by name recognition, which in the U.S. is heavily influence by football and basketball. That is why on balance more people will generally recognize Michigan.
On this board, the responses will be people coming here specifically to be either boosters or detractors of UVA and/or Michigan. Not exactly random and impartial.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 14:49
Subject: Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
I live in VA and have family in the midwest so know Mich very well. I'd send my kids to either school in a hearbeat but would lean towards Mich for Engineering/CS. Those are likely the only areas where the additional cost would still make Michigan worth it. For every other field, I'd stick with UVA (assuming of course my kids are able to get into those schools). The ony other factor that I'd consider is the weather at Michigan. Coooold!
Anonymous
10/16/2020 14:39
Subject: Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
OP, it seems like you are asking a random sampling of people for a general opinion which means your informal survey results will be skewed by name recognition, which in the U.S. is heavily influence by football and basketball. That is why on balance more people will generally recognize Michigan.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 14:26
Subject: Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Anonymous wrote:I personally don't know many people in the DMV who would prefer UVA over Michigan, but I don't live in VA.
Some people think the Michigan boosters are crass idiots. Most people think those people are snobby idiots.
coincidently, most I don't know many non Marylanders who rave about UMD, UNC is popular amongst people living in North Carolina, Pennsylvanians are partial to Penn State and Pitt. People overrate their in state flagships- UVA isn't unique, it happens everywhere
Anonymous
10/16/2020 14:07
Subject: Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
I personally don't know many people in the DMV who would prefer UVA over Michigan, but I don't live in VA.
Some people think the Michigan boosters are crass idiots. Most people think those people are snobby idiots.
Some people think the Michigan boosters are crass idiots. Most people think those people are snobby idiots.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 13:49
Subject: Re:Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
At one point, UVA was the #1 public university. Not sure what the "rankings" say now.
This is a really silly question.
This is a really silly question.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 13:48
Subject: Re:Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Anonymous wrote:The obsession with UVA on this board is fascinating.
It's a good public school. But you're splitting hairs comparing it to Michigan.
Anonymous
10/16/2020 13:47
Subject: Re:Is the preference for UVA over UMich a DC area thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
UVA is the only US university that is designated as World Heritage Site by UNESCO. UMich's ugly buildings are a dime a dozen.
Michigan's law quad, angell hall, hill auditorium, clement library, ross school would like to have a word with you
Are you that crazy Michigan lady from college confidential?