Anonymous
10/22/2020 14:27
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
I'm sure OP is still on here but is afraid to come back. I think the most recent posts have been very thoughtful. No need to skewer the OP but she should really reassess her attitude and think about what she could have done differently.
Anonymous
10/22/2020 13:14
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Coach here -
It's unfortunate your club couldn't find someone to cover that match. That being said we can't know if a different decision would have been made.
Your team manager was probably a little overwhelmed and obviously wasn't watching your child as well as you would. That being said you were called over at half time, so there was obviously some sort of observation (probably the big knot in his head!)
My guess is the lack of subs probably played a role in why he wasn't taken off and looked at when the incident occurred. I also feel most referees at the travel level would call on a coach to look at a player if he felt there was a concussion, especially if there was a stoppage of play like the PK.
My guess is he was feeling his head partially due to pain, and probably a little freaked out to have a lump there... it can be a little scary.
Having said that, both the team manager and more importantly yourself determined at half time that he was good to continue, so I'm not sure what the discussion is about unless you're asking if you should have taken him off the field permanently.
I'm glad your son is OK and passed his concussion exams.
Perhaps the question would be, looking back on things, would you have done anything different?
Parent here -
Thanks for letting us all know you are a coach. I'll give your post credibility.
Thanks for your insightful and useful addition to the discussion. Bwahahahahaha
Anonymous
10/22/2020 12:55
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Coach here -
It's unfortunate your club couldn't find someone to cover that match. That being said we can't know if a different decision would have been made.
Your team manager was probably a little overwhelmed and obviously wasn't watching your child as well as you would. That being said you were called over at half time, so there was obviously some sort of observation (probably the big knot in his head!)
My guess is the lack of subs probably played a role in why he wasn't taken off and looked at when the incident occurred. I also feel most referees at the travel level would call on a coach to look at a player if he felt there was a concussion, especially if there was a stoppage of play like the PK.
My guess is he was feeling his head partially due to pain, and probably a little freaked out to have a lump there... it can be a little scary.
Having said that, both the team manager and more importantly yourself determined at half time that he was good to continue, so I'm not sure what the discussion is about unless you're asking if you should have taken him off the field permanently.
I'm glad your son is OK and passed his concussion exams.
Perhaps the question would be, looking back on things, would you have done anything different?
Parent here -
Thanks for letting us all know you are a coach. I'll give your post credibility.
Anonymous
10/22/2020 08:16
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Coach here -
It's unfortunate your club couldn't find someone to cover that match. That being said we can't know if a different decision would have been made.
Your team manager was probably a little overwhelmed and obviously wasn't watching your child as well as you would. That being said you were called over at half time, so there was obviously some sort of observation (probably the big knot in his head!)
My guess is the lack of subs probably played a role in why he wasn't taken off and looked at when the incident occurred. I also feel most referees at the travel level would call on a coach to look at a player if he felt there was a concussion, especially if there was a stoppage of play like the PK.
My guess is he was feeling his head partially due to pain, and probably a little freaked out to have a lump there... it can be a little scary.
Having said that, both the team manager and more importantly yourself determined at half time that he was good to continue, so I'm not sure what the discussion is about unless you're asking if you should have taken him off the field permanently.
I'm glad your son is OK and passed his concussion exams.
Perhaps the question would be, looking back on things, would you have done anything different?
It's unfortunate your club couldn't find someone to cover that match. That being said we can't know if a different decision would have been made.
Your team manager was probably a little overwhelmed and obviously wasn't watching your child as well as you would. That being said you were called over at half time, so there was obviously some sort of observation (probably the big knot in his head!)
My guess is the lack of subs probably played a role in why he wasn't taken off and looked at when the incident occurred. I also feel most referees at the travel level would call on a coach to look at a player if he felt there was a concussion, especially if there was a stoppage of play like the PK.
My guess is he was feeling his head partially due to pain, and probably a little freaked out to have a lump there... it can be a little scary.
Having said that, both the team manager and more importantly yourself determined at half time that he was good to continue, so I'm not sure what the discussion is about unless you're asking if you should have taken him off the field permanently.
I'm glad your son is OK and passed his concussion exams.
Perhaps the question would be, looking back on things, would you have done anything different?
Anonymous
10/21/2020 07:22
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why did the referee allow him to keep playing after getting kicked in the head? Why did you as a parent allow your child to keep playing when you saw the goose egg bump and scratch at half time?
I don't think the referee has the authority to remove a player from a game.
In Youth Soccer, in many states, they do:
If a referee observes a player who exhibits the signs, symptoms, or behaviors of a concussion, referees are required to:
Remove the player from practice or game competition.
Prevent the player from returning to play or any sports activity the same day that he/she is removed.
Prohibit the player from participating in future practices, games, or any soccer activities until AYSO has received written clearance of return to play from a physician or other licensed heath care provider.
English FA guidelines are similar:
https://www.thefa.com/get-involved/head-injuries-in-football
"If there is any suspicion of the payer having sustained a concussion, the player must be removed from the field of play, and not allowed to return."
This is from an upcoming tournament rules....
"Pursuant to State law, coaches, referees, medical staff or tournament officials must remove from play, any athlete exhibiting the signs and symptoms of a concussion during practice or a game. Once a coach, referee, medical staff or tournament official removes an athlete from a game, the decision cannot be overturned. Once the athlete is removed from play for symptoms of a concussion, the player is not permitted to return to play until he or she has been assessed by a physician or licensed health care provider and received written clearance, signed by the physician or licensed health care provider. This written clearance must be submitted to, and approved by, a tournament director before the athlete is permitted to return to play."
Does anyone know what this "state law" actually says?
Anonymous
10/21/2020 01:10
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
As the parent it was your job to pull him out of the game when they asked you to. If they expressed concern and you dismissed it and approved him to continue, that is your fault, not theirs.
Anonymous
10/21/2020 00:44
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
First thing I would say is the probably many of us have been there in a u12 situation and thought it was the biggest deal in the world to have your son taken off in a tournament where the team didn't have any subs.
That's also the advantage of hindsight having gone through most of the age groups and realizing this is not a life-or-death situation for your child's soccer career. The bigger concern is his health. I would have taken him off in this situation given the obvious signs of injury even if he said he was OK. The fact that he wasn't playing normally afterward should have been a sign.
That said, no reason to kill the parent here. It was a learning situation and something hopefully all of us can appreciate and get perspective on.
The club and manager/coach also were not helpful in providing that layer of care that would have avoiding putting this parent in the situation of pulling a child off the field. But again, this is u12. Got Soccer points come and go. Brain injuries can linger and also make the next one more likely.
That's also the advantage of hindsight having gone through most of the age groups and realizing this is not a life-or-death situation for your child's soccer career. The bigger concern is his health. I would have taken him off in this situation given the obvious signs of injury even if he said he was OK. The fact that he wasn't playing normally afterward should have been a sign.
That said, no reason to kill the parent here. It was a learning situation and something hopefully all of us can appreciate and get perspective on.
The club and manager/coach also were not helpful in providing that layer of care that would have avoiding putting this parent in the situation of pulling a child off the field. But again, this is u12. Got Soccer points come and go. Brain injuries can linger and also make the next one more likely.
Anonymous
10/20/2020 21:29
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why did the referee allow him to keep playing after getting kicked in the head? Why did you as a parent allow your child to keep playing when you saw the goose egg bump and scratch at half time?
I don't think the referee has the authority to remove a player from a game.
As I recall the training refresher I just had, the ref can say no.
Safety is our first job. Followed by explaining “handball.”
Anonymous
10/20/2020 19:53
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why did the referee allow him to keep playing after getting kicked in the head? Why did you as a parent allow your child to keep playing when you saw the goose egg bump and scratch at half time?
I don't think the referee has the authority to remove a player from a game.
In Youth Soccer, in many states, they do:
If a referee observes a player who exhibits the signs, symptoms, or behaviors of a concussion, referees are required to:
Remove the player from practice or game competition.
Prevent the player from returning to play or any sports activity the same day that he/she is removed.
Prohibit the player from participating in future practices, games, or any soccer activities until AYSO has received written clearance of return to play from a physician or other licensed heath care provider.
English FA guidelines are similar:
https://www.thefa.com/get-involved/head-injuries-in-football
"If there is any suspicion of the payer having sustained a concussion, the player must be removed from the field of play, and not allowed to return."
This is from an upcoming tournament rules....
"Pursuant to State law, coaches, referees, medical staff or tournament officials must remove from play, any athlete exhibiting the signs and symptoms of a concussion during practice or a game. Once a coach, referee, medical staff or tournament official removes an athlete from a game, the decision cannot be overturned. Once the athlete is removed from play for symptoms of a concussion, the player is not permitted to return to play until he or she has been assessed by a physician or licensed health care provider and received written clearance, signed by the physician or licensed health care provider. This written clearance must be submitted to, and approved by, a tournament director before the athlete is permitted to return to play."
Right but the person who observed the concussion like symptoms was the parent and she didn't do anything about it!
Anonymous
10/20/2020 17:08
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Is this PPA?
PPA?
Anonymous
10/20/2020 16:39
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why did the referee allow him to keep playing after getting kicked in the head? Why did you as a parent allow your child to keep playing when you saw the goose egg bump and scratch at half time?
I don't think the referee has the authority to remove a player from a game.
In Youth Soccer, in many states, they do:
If a referee observes a player who exhibits the signs, symptoms, or behaviors of a concussion, referees are required to:
Remove the player from practice or game competition.
Prevent the player from returning to play or any sports activity the same day that he/she is removed.
Prohibit the player from participating in future practices, games, or any soccer activities until AYSO has received written clearance of return to play from a physician or other licensed heath care provider.
English FA guidelines are similar:
https://www.thefa.com/get-involved/head-injuries-in-football
"If there is any suspicion of the payer having sustained a concussion, the player must be removed from the field of play, and not allowed to return."
This is from an upcoming tournament rules....
"Pursuant to State law, coaches, referees, medical staff or tournament officials must remove from play, any athlete exhibiting the signs and symptoms of a concussion during practice or a game. Once a coach, referee, medical staff or tournament official removes an athlete from a game, the decision cannot be overturned. Once the athlete is removed from play for symptoms of a concussion, the player is not permitted to return to play until he or she has been assessed by a physician or licensed health care provider and received written clearance, signed by the physician or licensed health care provider. This written clearance must be submitted to, and approved by, a tournament director before the athlete is permitted to return to play."
Anonymous
10/12/2020 14:29
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Is this PPA?