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Anonymous wrote:It is a slam against people who plug away and try. Strivers are people who are diligent, exert effort, dot their i's and cross their t's, they do the right things, they try to do/say the right things, they are the backbone, they obey the laws, etc. My husband and I are strivers.

Nope, not at all.

Completely incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:A hard worker finds something they love to do and work at it because they love it and are successful.

A striver looks at what others do to gain money and/or power and they try to imitate it.

A striver finds out what all the check boxes are for success and try to check all the boxes.

My son, for example, loves to play the trumpet and he excelled at it. He begged me to practice and we begged him to stop. 😀 He got a scholarship to a top university because of his passion. He as kss as I pl as us 10 other instruments but not as well.

Other kids hated playing an instrument but did because they thought it would help with college admissions. They checked every box... SAT prep.., check, instrument check, sport... check ... volunteer, check. None with more EC’s, better SATs, higher GPA got into as better university. They are going to a great colleges and they are fine with where they ended up (their parents... not so much). But they (thr parents) all bemoan that my son with just Trumpet 🎺 got into a better college.

This is basically what 10:19 was talking about.

+ 1. The PP uses the term to talk down others who work smart because (s)he doesn't like it. what's wrong with imitating others to become rich of be more successful?

The world is not black and white.

There is no right and wrong here.

Strivers tough through stuff they hate to get money and/or power.

Others work hard at things they love whether money and/or power follows doesn’t matter to them. It might it might not.

I think striving for money and/or power will bring you unhappiness spiritually/emotionally. I don’t think it’s wrong it’s just that there are decisions and consequences... if you know the consequences and are good with them, go for it.

All this shows is your own arrogance and short-sightedness. Working hard to get into the best college you can isn't inherently about money and power. You don't know all of these other kids, and you have no idea what passions they may have that they want to pursue in college at the highest level they can. If playing an instrument is something they have to tough out to boost their applications so they can do the thing they really want to do, that's not "striving," that's doing the hard work it takes to pursue your dreams even when it's not fun or interesting.

Yes I actually know the kids my kids are friends with and their parents. Typical striver response. You don’t get to know the kids in your child’s band/orchestra/team/class? It’s just a means to an end?

Really you should work on your personal relationship skills.

So all of your teen’s friends sit around your kitchen table telling you all about their deepest hopes and dreams? And those hopes and dreams were all about making as much money and having as much power as possible? I doubt that.

Yes they talk about only doing X for college apps, hating the instrument, hating practice, etc.

Your kids and their friends don’t talk to you. Wow! Sad.

You know that things aren’t black or white. My kid is really really good at math. He wants to be really really good at soccer (but is not). If he was really good at soccer, he would likely tell you this is what he cares about and is willing to put in the work. You would the classify him like you do your son. Problem is he isn’t great at soccer. He is good. He tried hard. He loves his team and his sport but it isn’t going to get him into college. That’s ok.

He is really gifted at math. He doesn’t always like it (he usually does when he gets into it). He would rather be playing video games than doing math homework. But we “make” him work at it. Sitting around your kitchen island, you would probably say my son is a striver. I don’t know what he will do with his life. But I do know that he can’t only do things he likes because sometimes (always?), it takes more.

Anonymous wrote:It is a slam against people who plug away and try. Strivers are people who are diligent, exert effort, dot their i's and cross their t's, they do the right things, they try to do/say the right things, they are the backbone, they obey the laws, etc. My husband and I are strivers.

Anonymous wrote:It’s people who come from poor or LMC backgrounds who are trying to move up in class from hard work, education, and such. They tend to be ruthless and competitive b/c they kind of had to be.

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Anonymous wrote:A hard worker finds something they love to do and work at it because they love it and are successful.

A striver looks at what others do to gain money and/or power and they try to imitate it.

A striver finds out what all the check boxes are for success and try to check all the boxes.

My son, for example, loves to play the trumpet and he excelled at it. He begged me to practice and we begged him to stop. 😀 He got a scholarship to a top university because of his passion. He as kss as I pl as us 10 other instruments but not as well.

Other kids hated playing an instrument but did because they thought it would help with college admissions. They checked every box... SAT prep.., check, instrument check, sport... check ... volunteer, check. None with more EC’s, better SATs, higher GPA got into as better university. They are going to a great colleges and they are fine with where they ended up (their parents... not so much). But they (thr parents) all bemoan that my son with just Trumpet 🎺 got into a better college.

This is basically what 10:19 was talking about.

+ 1. The PP uses the term to talk down others who work smart because (s)he doesn't like it. what's wrong with imitating others to become rich of be more successful?

The world is not black and white.

There is no right and wrong here.

Strivers tough through stuff they hate to get money and/or power.

Others work hard at things they love whether money and/or power follows doesn’t matter to them. It might it might not.

I think striving for money and/or power will bring you unhappiness spiritually/emotionally. I don’t think it’s wrong it’s just that there are decisions and consequences... if you know the consequences and are good with them, go for it.

All this shows is your own arrogance and short-sightedness. Working hard to get into the best college you can isn't inherently about money and power. You don't know all of these other kids, and you have no idea what passions they may have that they want to pursue in college at the highest level they can. If playing an instrument is something they have to tough out to boost their applications so they can do the thing they really want to do, that's not "striving," that's doing the hard work it takes to pursue your dreams even when it's not fun or interesting.

Yes I actually know the kids my kids are friends with and their parents. Typical striver response. You don’t get to know the kids in your child’s band/orchestra/team/class? It’s just a means to an end?

Really you should work on your personal relationship skills.

So all of your teen’s friends sit around your kitchen table telling you all about their deepest hopes and dreams? And those hopes and dreams were all about making as much money and having as much power as possible? I doubt that.

Yes they talk about only doing X for college apps, hating the instrument, hating practice, etc.

Your kids and their friends don’t talk to you. Wow! Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:A hard worker finds something they love to do and work at it because they love it and are successful.

A striver looks at what others do to gain money and/or power and they try to imitate it.

A striver finds out what all the check boxes are for success and try to check all the boxes.

My son, for example, loves to play the trumpet and he excelled at it. He begged me to practice and we begged him to stop. 😀 He got a scholarship to a top university because of his passion. He as kss as I pl as us 10 other instruments but not as well.

Other kids hated playing an instrument but did because they thought it would help with college admissions. They checked every box... SAT prep.., check, instrument check, sport... check ... volunteer, check. None with more EC’s, better SATs, higher GPA got into as better university. They are going to a great colleges and they are fine with where they ended up (their parents... not so much). But they (thr parents) all bemoan that my son with just Trumpet 🎺 got into a better college.

This is basically what 10:19 was talking about.

+ 1. The PP uses the term to talk down others who work smart because (s)he doesn't like it. what's wrong with imitating others to become rich of be more successful?

The world is not black and white.

There is no right and wrong here.

Strivers tough through stuff they hate to get money and/or power.

Others work hard at things they love whether money and/or power follows doesn’t matter to them. It might it might not.

I think striving for money and/or power will bring you unhappiness spiritually/emotionally. I don’t think it’s wrong it’s just that there are decisions and consequences... if you know the consequences and are good with them, go for it.

All this shows is your own arrogance and short-sightedness. Working hard to get into the best college you can isn't inherently about money and power. You don't know all of these other kids, and you have no idea what passions they may have that they want to pursue in college at the highest level they can. If playing an instrument is something they have to tough out to boost their applications so they can do the thing they really want to do, that's not "striving," that's doing the hard work it takes to pursue your dreams even when it's not fun or interesting.

Yes I actually know the kids my kids are friends with and their parents. Typical striver response. You don’t get to know the kids in your child’s band/orchestra/team/class? It’s just a means to an end?

Really you should work on your personal relationship skills.

So all of your teen’s friends sit around your kitchen table telling you all about their deepest hopes and dreams? And those hopes and dreams were all about making as much money and having as much power as possible? I doubt that.

Yes they talk about only doing X for college apps, hating the instrument, hating practice, etc.

Your kids and their friends don’t talk to you. Wow! Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:A hard worker finds something they love to do and work at it because they love it and are successful.

A striver looks at what others do to gain money and/or power and they try to imitate it.

A striver finds out what all the check boxes are for success and try to check all the boxes.

My son, for example, loves to play the trumpet and he excelled at it. He begged me to practice and we begged him to stop. 😀 He got a scholarship to a top university because of his passion. He as kss as I pl as us 10 other instruments but not as well.

Other kids hated playing an instrument but did because they thought it would help with college admissions. They checked every box... SAT prep.., check, instrument check, sport... check ... volunteer, check. None with more EC’s, better SATs, higher GPA got into as better university. They are going to a great colleges and they are fine with where they ended up (their parents... not so much). But they (thr parents) all bemoan that my son with just Trumpet 🎺 got into a better college.

This is basically what 10:19 was talking about.

+ 1. The PP uses the term to talk down others who work smart because (s)he doesn't like it. what's wrong with imitating others to become rich of be more successful?

The world is not black and white.

There is no right and wrong here.

Strivers tough through stuff they hate to get money and/or power.

Others work hard at things they love whether money and/or power follows doesn’t matter to them. It might it might not.

I think striving for money and/or power will bring you unhappiness spiritually/emotionally. I don’t think it’s wrong it’s just that there are decisions and consequences... if you know the consequences and are good with them, go for it.

All this shows is your own arrogance and short-sightedness. Working hard to get into the best college you can isn't inherently about money and power. You don't know all of these other kids, and you have no idea what passions they may have that they want to pursue in college at the highest level they can. If playing an instrument is something they have to tough out to boost their applications so they can do the thing they really want to do, that's not "striving," that's doing the hard work it takes to pursue your dreams even when it's not fun or interesting.

Yes I actually know the kids my kids are friends with and their parents. Typical striver response. You don’t get to know the kids in your child’s band/orchestra/team/class? It’s just a means to an end?

Really you should work on your personal relationship skills.

So all of your teen’s friends sit around your kitchen table telling you all about their deepest hopes and dreams? And those hopes and dreams were all about making as much money and having as much power as possible? I doubt that.

Anonymous wrote:I think there are 2 categories of strivers:

Evil striver: an example already mentioned is Hillary Clinton.

dipshit striver: Ted Cruz is the perfect example.

Anonymous wrote:It’s mostly a negative connotation.

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Anonymous wrote:A hard worker finds something they love to do and work at it because they love it and are successful.

A striver looks at what others do to gain money and/or power and they try to imitate it.

A striver finds out what all the check boxes are for success and try to check all the boxes.

My son, for example, loves to play the trumpet and he excelled at it. He begged me to practice and we begged him to stop. 😀 He got a scholarship to a top university because of his passion. He as kss as I pl as us 10 other instruments but not as well.

Other kids hated playing an instrument but did because they thought it would help with college admissions. They checked every box... SAT prep.., check, instrument check, sport... check ... volunteer, check. None with more EC’s, better SATs, higher GPA got into as better university. They are going to a great colleges and they are fine with where they ended up (their parents... not so much). But they (thr parents) all bemoan that my son with just Trumpet 🎺 got into a better college.

This is basically what 10:19 was talking about.

+ 1. The PP uses the term to talk down others who work smart because (s)he doesn't like it. what's wrong with imitating others to become rich of be more successful?

The world is not black and white.

There is no right and wrong here.

Strivers tough through stuff they hate to get money and/or power.

Others work hard at things they love whether money and/or power follows doesn’t matter to them. It might it might not.

I think striving for money and/or power will bring you unhappiness spiritually/emotionally. I don’t think it’s wrong it’s just that there are decisions and consequences... if you know the consequences and are good with them, go for it.

All this shows is your own arrogance and short-sightedness. Working hard to get into the best college you can isn't inherently about money and power. You don't know all of these other kids, and you have no idea what passions they may have that they want to pursue in college at the highest level they can. If playing an instrument is something they have to tough out to boost their applications so they can do the thing they really want to do, that's not "striving," that's doing the hard work it takes to pursue your dreams even when it's not fun or interesting.

Yes I actually know the kids my kids are friends with and their parents. Typical striver response. You don’t get to know the kids in your child’s band/orchestra/team/class? It’s just a means to an end?

Really you should work on your personal relationship skills.