Anonymous
10/13/2020 10:58
Subject: Re:Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand “defund police”
Police should do police work, that is what defund police means.
9 out of 10 calls fo not require a police officer.
They should not be directing traffic.
They should not interview rape/child abuse victims... in moco for example trained psychologist interview child abuse victims.. not cops.
They should not do 90% of traffic stops
They should not do parking violations (some areas don’t have cops do this some do)
They should not do shop lifting calls, corporations should have security file reports... many places already do this
They should not work in the courts... scheduling court time for police
They should not be in charge of car repairs. (Yep they run their own shop most places)
They should only assist in mental health calls when needed (of course you only see the ones where they “are needed” it’s rare)
They should not be policing cars for operability.
They should not be secretaries for the prosecutor’s office.
They should not get overtime for court.
Accident reconstruction does not require a gun and a badge.
Recruiting does not require a gun and a badge
We also need to fund training so cops that hate the job can be retrained to find a job more suitable.
well maybe you should stop using the slogan “defund the police” since nobody understands it.
I didn’t create the Term I don’t use it... But it’s good to educate yourself about something before you are for or against it.
If it takes a paragraph to explain what you really mean, maybe you should have picked an appropriate title. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 19:49
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-districts-government-is-a-costly-laboratory-for-the-left/2016/12/02/4028d3ca-b7db-11e6-959c-172c82123976_story.html
"The D.C. Council, having relegated the mission of executive-branch oversight to a back seat, has become a legislative laboratory for the left — with the resultant costs to be borne by District taxpayers."
"The D.C. Council, having relegated the mission of executive-branch oversight to a back seat, has become a legislative laboratory for the left — with the resultant costs to be borne by District taxpayers."
Anonymous
10/12/2020 19:30
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:White liberals like Nadeau, Silverman, Lazere, and Grosso think it makes them look woke in the eyes of the black community to endlessly pander and send violence interuptors instead of creating concrete solutions.
Except the Defund the Police movement started with Black activists in neighborhoods like OPs, not privileged white people. He or she disagrees with that, but neither is speaking authoritatively for people in those circumstances. As a white person in a decently safe neighborhood myself, I try to listen to both sides, but "defund the police is a privileged position" is just as wrong as "Black people all want to defund the police"
+100
Anonymous
10/12/2020 15:56
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:White liberals like Nadeau, Silverman, Lazere, and Grosso think it makes them look woke in the eyes of the black community to endlessly pander and send violence interuptors instead of creating concrete solutions.
Except the Defund the Police movement started with Black activists in neighborhoods like OPs, not privileged white people. He or she disagrees with that, but neither is speaking authoritatively for people in those circumstances. As a white person in a decently safe neighborhood myself, I try to listen to both sides, but "defund the police is a privileged position" is just as wrong as "Black people all want to defund the police"
This. I am black and live in NE DC. You all know damn well that defunding the police means that we will retrain police and increase social services. It doesn't mean taking police off the streets. I am reading Locking Up Our Own by James Forman about how black people had just as much to do with our criminal justice situation as whites. In DC, black people didn't want drug treatment, they wanted young black people to go to jail. They didn't want to decriminalize marijuana, they wanted young black people to go to jail. They wanted to throw black kids in jail. Those were not solutions in the 1950s and 1060s and they aren't now.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 15:53
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:I have actually spoken to a few Police Officers at 2D about the counselor/Social Worker situation.
It is true that there are a handful of counselors on the pay roll, however, they are counselors for the officers and are not 'Patrol' counselors.
They claim that DC as a city made the decision years ago to separate Behavioral and Human Services from MPD.
When you dial 911 a police officer will be sent to ALL calls. This is because 99 percent of the time, the person on the phone cannot assess the volatility of the situation. Therefore a uniformed police officer or detective on rare occasion (not uniformed) will be the 'first contact'.
Once contact is made and an assessment is made MPD will attempt to have the contacted individual contact city services themselves, in front of the officers. If the person is a danger to themselves or anybody else and they do not want to call city services, the officers will apprehend them under a danger to self/others writ and transport them to city services.
Drugs add another element of uncertainty because a person who is high and very compliant, may agree to contact city services and agree to EMS transportation there, however, they often time 'come down' during transport and a non violent transport turns into a very dangerous transportation and EMS has to call the police once again. Because of that, often time a uniformed police office will accompany the transportation from the beginning if drugs are involved.
If a Police officer responds to a homeless person in a bus stop for example, the police will ask when the last time the person saw a doctor, if they have medications, when they last had a refill, when they last contacted a loved one etc. If there are issues beyond the capacity of the officers, they contact city Behavioral Services, who will most of the time insist that the officers remain present through the end of the assessment and transportation of the individual.
I can attest to this. When my sister attempted suicide with pills, an officer came before the ambulance. I think he had to ensure she wasn't a danger to others.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 13:03
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
As Colbert I. King so eloquently stated: "At times the council is a laboratory for the left."
We have perfectly decent black candidates seeking the At-Large seat. We don't need "Iowa Ed Lazere" on the council.
We have perfectly decent black candidates seeking the At-Large seat. We don't need "Iowa Ed Lazere" on the council.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 12:57
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
I have actually spoken to a few Police Officers at 2D about the counselor/Social Worker situation.
It is true that there are a handful of counselors on the pay roll, however, they are counselors for the officers and are not 'Patrol' counselors.
They claim that DC as a city made the decision years ago to separate Behavioral and Human Services from MPD.
When you dial 911 a police officer will be sent to ALL calls. This is because 99 percent of the time, the person on the phone cannot assess the volatility of the situation. Therefore a uniformed police officer or detective on rare occasion (not uniformed) will be the 'first contact'.
Once contact is made and an assessment is made MPD will attempt to have the contacted individual contact city services themselves, in front of the officers. If the person is a danger to themselves or anybody else and they do not want to call city services, the officers will apprehend them under a danger to self/others writ and transport them to city services.
Drugs add another element of uncertainty because a person who is high and very compliant, may agree to contact city services and agree to EMS transportation there, however, they often time 'come down' during transport and a non violent transport turns into a very dangerous transportation and EMS has to call the police once again. Because of that, often time a uniformed police office will accompany the transportation from the beginning if drugs are involved.
If a Police officer responds to a homeless person in a bus stop for example, the police will ask when the last time the person saw a doctor, if they have medications, when they last had a refill, when they last contacted a loved one etc. If there are issues beyond the capacity of the officers, they contact city Behavioral Services, who will most of the time insist that the officers remain present through the end of the assessment and transportation of the individual.
It is true that there are a handful of counselors on the pay roll, however, they are counselors for the officers and are not 'Patrol' counselors.
They claim that DC as a city made the decision years ago to separate Behavioral and Human Services from MPD.
When you dial 911 a police officer will be sent to ALL calls. This is because 99 percent of the time, the person on the phone cannot assess the volatility of the situation. Therefore a uniformed police officer or detective on rare occasion (not uniformed) will be the 'first contact'.
Once contact is made and an assessment is made MPD will attempt to have the contacted individual contact city services themselves, in front of the officers. If the person is a danger to themselves or anybody else and they do not want to call city services, the officers will apprehend them under a danger to self/others writ and transport them to city services.
Drugs add another element of uncertainty because a person who is high and very compliant, may agree to contact city services and agree to EMS transportation there, however, they often time 'come down' during transport and a non violent transport turns into a very dangerous transportation and EMS has to call the police once again. Because of that, often time a uniformed police office will accompany the transportation from the beginning if drugs are involved.
If a Police officer responds to a homeless person in a bus stop for example, the police will ask when the last time the person saw a doctor, if they have medications, when they last had a refill, when they last contacted a loved one etc. If there are issues beyond the capacity of the officers, they contact city Behavioral Services, who will most of the time insist that the officers remain present through the end of the assessment and transportation of the individual.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 11:30
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:Not to long ago here on DCUM there was a thread about a homeless guy sleeping in a vestibule and it was suggested to call the police, but wait! no send in a social worker! hahahahaha no one told the homeowner to go down and take care of it because why? Unpredictable and dangerous! Who are these super hero social workers that should deal with it?? Defund the police only if you want to do it yourselves, otherwise zip your lip!
How about sending a uniformed MPD social worker (partner might be the "standard" type of cop) who does the contact part of the assessment and then you drive the picked up homeless person over to DC social support intake where they do an identification, check up and determine which services the person qualifies for.
By the way, I totally agree with you. The decund the police talk is nonsense. The why don't we have logical city services and additional "contact" type people within the police department is a question most DC residents have been asking for years. Including us SE residents.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 10:02
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Not to long ago here on DCUM there was a thread about a homeless guy sleeping in a vestibule and it was suggested to call the police, but wait! no send in a social worker! hahahahaha no one told the homeowner to go down and take care of it because why? Unpredictable and dangerous! Who are these super hero social workers that should deal with it?? Defund the police only if you want to do it yourselves, otherwise zip your lip!
Anonymous
10/12/2020 09:45
Subject: Re:Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand “defund police”
Police should do police work, that is what defund police means.
9 out of 10 calls fo not require a police officer.
They should not be directing traffic.
They should not interview rape/child abuse victims... in moco for example trained psychologist interview child abuse victims.. not cops.
They should not do 90% of traffic stops
They should not do parking violations (some areas don’t have cops do this some do)
They should not do shop lifting calls, corporations should have security file reports... many places already do this
They should not work in the courts... scheduling court time for police
They should not be in charge of car repairs. (Yep they run their own shop most places)
They should only assist in mental health calls when needed (of course you only see the ones where they “are needed” it’s rare)
They should not be policing cars for operability.
They should not be secretaries for the prosecutor’s office.
They should not get overtime for court.
Accident reconstruction does not require a gun and a badge.
Recruiting does not require a gun and a badge
We also need to fund training so cops that hate the job can be retrained to find a job more suitable.
You are doing that thing where you realize you have no argument so you cherry pick from around the country in an attempt to shroud yourself in reasonability.
DC police don't do half the things you just mentioned. The OP is talking about DC. Don't sell Ddot and DMV services here as police functions when they are not.
If you want to lobby for a logical reapportioning of public jobs in DC. I think we would all be for it. But don't argue for defunding the police.
I’m not cherry picking but I am putting out the not every area does the same thing. For example DC police really should have psychologists interview children who have been abused not cops. They also she can go on mental health cases that they are equipped to handle. There’s a ton of things that they shouldn’t do, they should do police work
A couple of things.
First, for as woke as you are, to assume that the counselor is female is simply naive.
Second, 16% of the MPD's force is civilian. You would know this if you ever went into a police station. You deal with non uniformed civilians. They then call and leave messages for the officers you were hoping to talk to. They process RPPs etc. Both the uniformed officers and civilians are paid out of the same budget. Defund the police and the civilians get cut first and uniforms are moved into the admin roles.
Also, MPD has counselors. I think we are all in agreement that they need more and they probably need to be both uniformed and civilian. More counselors will cost more money.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 09:36
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:Meant defund the police is unfortunate terminology.
Agree. To change the narrative, you have to change the words.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 09:28
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:To the OP's point, between American, Catholic, George Washington, Georgetown, Howard, and UDC we have six universities within DC that the city could negotiate scholarship terms with. Why not create three scholarships per year per school and graduate 18 new contracted DC 'civil servants' a year to beef up DC forecasted talent gaps. What would that cost? Maybe $1.8 million per year group? How would that not be money well spent?
The DC Marion Barry Summer Youth Employment Program employed 11,358 DC youth for 29 days at a cost of $9,704,946 payroll dollars. They Mayor's program does not report administrative or overhead costs to run the program though it reports $2.25M come from a federal grant.
I am not sure why the college scholarship and DC service contract ideas cannot become the natural growth and professionalization of this program.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 09:21
Subject: Re:Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand “defund police”
Police should do police work, that is what defund police means.
9 out of 10 calls fo not require a police officer.
They should not be directing traffic.
They should not interview rape/child abuse victims... in moco for example trained psychologist interview child abuse victims.. not cops.
They should not do 90% of traffic stops
They should not do parking violations (some areas don’t have cops do this some do)
They should not do shop lifting calls, corporations should have security file reports... many places already do this
They should not work in the courts... scheduling court time for police
They should not be in charge of car repairs. (Yep they run their own shop most places)
They should only assist in mental health calls when needed (of course you only see the ones where they “are needed” it’s rare)
They should not be policing cars for operability.
They should not be secretaries for the prosecutor’s office.
They should not get overtime for court.
Accident reconstruction does not require a gun and a badge.
Recruiting does not require a gun and a badge
We also need to fund training so cops that hate the job can be retrained to find a job more suitable.
You are doing that thing where you realize you have no argument so you cherry pick from around the country in an attempt to shroud yourself in reasonability.
DC police don't do half the things you just mentioned. The OP is talking about DC. Don't sell Ddot and DMV services here as police functions when they are not.
If you want to lobby for a logical reapportioning of public jobs in DC. I think we would all be for it. But don't argue for defunding the police.
I’m not cherry picking but I am putting out the not every area does the same thing. For example DC police really should have psychologists interview children who have been abused not cops. They also she can go on mental health cases that they are equipped to handle. There’s a ton of things that they shouldn’t do, they should do police work
Anonymous
10/12/2020 09:19
Subject: Re:Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you understand “defund police”
Police should do police work, that is what defund police means.
9 out of 10 calls fo not require a police officer.
They should not be directing traffic.
They should not interview rape/child abuse victims... in moco for example trained psychologist interview child abuse victims.. not cops.
They should not do 90% of traffic stops
They should not do parking violations (some areas don’t have cops do this some do)
They should not do shop lifting calls, corporations should have security file reports... many places already do this
They should not work in the courts... scheduling court time for police
They should not be in charge of car repairs. (Yep they run their own shop most places)
They should only assist in mental health calls when needed (of course you only see the ones where they “are needed” it’s rare)
They should not be policing cars for operability.
They should not be secretaries for the prosecutor’s office.
They should not get overtime for court.
Accident reconstruction does not require a gun and a badge.
Recruiting does not require a gun and a badge
We also need to fund training so cops that hate the job can be retrained to find a job more suitable.
well maybe you should stop using the slogan “defund the police” since nobody understands it.
I didn’t create the Term I don’t use it... But it’s good to educate yourself about something before you are for or against it.
Anonymous
10/11/2020 15:44
Subject: Defund the the police talk is some sort of apologetic cultural appropriation. Please stop.
Long as they keep the hell away from me I couldn’t care less what they do.