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Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

No - CogAT being age normed is fair to both younger and older kids by comparing them to others born in the same year and month.

Yes, it is more fair, but younger kids in the same grade benefit from age-norming since their percentiles are effectively boosted. In other words, if a younger child and older child in the same grade get the same score, the younger child "wins." They are initially compared to their same-age peers but ultimately compared within the grade for CES admission and high performance by younger scorers is considered.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

No - CogAT being age normed is fair to both younger and older kids by comparing them to others born in the same year and month.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

CES is about reading and writing. It might help kids do better on tests for that program. I do not think it. make that big a difference otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

yes, plus 99 percentile MAP scores. Although occasionally MAP scores might dip a bit, there are a lot of kids with basically perfect STATS across the board. Most of these from W feeders will not get in, just not enough seats to accommodate these sizable cohorts. A number of these kids will get in to the HS magnets though, since there are more seats. So stupid they don't simply open more MS seats so that the numbers are relatively consistent throughout.

But since the MS is the most competitive due to lower seat availability, OP's kid would have to score off the charts in the COGAT to have a shot. And the COGAT test is more challenging.

Its the same at the Focus and other schools. They only took 2 kids from our school and several more were qualified. Our kids just got left behind as there was no differentiating beyond compacted math. At least at the W schools, your kids get more differentiation.

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

My kid just scored a 262 on MAP-M after scoring a 245 on MAP-R, and since she's Asian at a wealthy CES, I am pretty certain the home middle school is in our future.

Such is life.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

And in case I’m not abundantly clear I’m talking about schools that house a CES program.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

It's mysterious because there's a lot of luck that goes in to it because of the low number of seats.
Lots of 99th percentile cogat, map and straight A students from CES not getting into either, not getting waitlisted even! But then someone from a local school who has lower scores gets in because of gender or because there's no competition left at those schools because everyone went to the CES.

DC's elementary was one where few people go to CES because of distance. Almost all kids who got in were the ones who turned down CES in 3rd. DC's friend lives closer to CES. All the kids who got accepted went to the CES. So more opportunity to "shine" and be the top student.

Or your child may just happen to be in a class with a lot of high performers. This happened to my friend's child who is 99th percentile kid in a different grade. Just happened to have a genius type kid in the same grade so relatively speaking made every other kid look ordinary and I don't use that term lightly.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

The difference was the test scores and grades.

Although I'm not positive, I have heard they try to balance gender so that may be the real difference.

It's likely gender since fewer girls apply to TPMS so it is less competitive.

There isn't really any big mystery here. The criteria has been laid out clearly on MCPS website and if there's a problem it's that there aren't sufficient seats for the number of qualified applicannts.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

The difference was the test scores and grades.

Although I'm not positive, I have heard they try to balance gender so that may be the real difference.

It's likely gender since fewer girls apply to TPMS so it is less competitive.

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

yes, plus 99 percentile MAP scores. Although occasionally MAP scores might dip a bit, there are a lot of kids with basically perfect STATS across the board. Most of these from W feeders will not get in, just not enough seats to accommodate these sizable cohorts. A number of these kids will get in to the HS magnets though, since there are more seats. So stupid they don't simply open more MS seats so that the numbers are relatively consistent throughout.

But since the MS is the most competitive due to lower seat availability, OP's kid would have to score off the charts in the COGAT to have a shot. And the COGAT test is more challenging.

OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.