Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 11:36     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Wow. Yeah, let us just stay dumb and get dumber if possible. Practice is overrated, lol.
How do peeps come up with this stuff?
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 11:32     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:anyone else wonder if pp is just a troll replying to themselves ?


Most of this thread is trolls.

Most of these TJ threads are trolls.


They sure do a good job of fighting with one another!


Just because you don't agree with it, it doesn't make it a troll.


There's definitely a troll in here who has been trying to get TJ shut down for a long time. I think he/she lives near the school and is bitter about having to cross a freeway to get to the base school. I can always feel his/her evil energy in the posts he/she writes. He/She has a lot of hate in his/her heart.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 11:30     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
There's no way you can ban prepping. That's like trying to ban alcohol during prohibition. It won't work.

As for measuring academic achievement, well, test taking is the worst form of it, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…

You can try to improve the test, but you'll need some kind of test at the end of the day.

Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 11:28     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:anyone else wonder if pp is just a troll replying to themselves ?


Most of this thread is trolls.

Most of these TJ threads are trolls.


They sure do a good job of fighting with one another!


Just because you don't agree with it, it doesn't make it a troll.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 11:26     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:anyone else wonder if pp is just a troll replying to themselves ?


Most of this thread is trolls.

Most of these TJ threads are trolls.


They sure do a good job of fighting with one another!
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 11:23     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:anyone else wonder if pp is just a troll replying to themselves ?


Most of this thread is trolls.

Most of these TJ threads are trolls.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 11:04     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I've come to the point of view that this is one area where the UK gets it right: it isn't about the little tests, homework grades, attendance and participation grades along the way. What matters is mastery at the end of the line. (Though I disagree with their urge to specialize too soon and at the expense of a broader education in the more mature academic years).


I'm not familiar with the British system. What does this end of the line mastery look like? Are they allowed to prepare for it, or would that be cheating?


everybody preps because everybody knows what's coming and how important it is- more like the SAT than the quant q so no real advantage to people who know about the importance of the test early because everybody knows. The A levels are massive make or break tests (think college admission that didn't give a damn about the holistic student or gpa) and they are standardized so that the worst public school gives the same test as the best private school


We should get rid of the bar exam. "Rote memorization" is not the American way. Lawyers should be allowed to use google in the court room. Get rid of the medical board exams too. We are all equally gifted. That's a given. No need for any more test. Let Europe, Asia and everywhere else continue their testing. American is an exceptional place.

We are going to compare law students to elementary students? Lawyers can be some of the most unethical a$$holes out there, so that’s a bad example anyhow. It’s apples and oranges. If the chinese and the rest of the world want to prep for tests and gain advantages over everyone, then they aren’t as knowledgeable as they want us to believe.


it goes even further- no national law school teach to a specific state bar, so we're comparing law students who have to learn new material in order to get a professional license to 8th graders wanting to attend a public high school
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 10:59     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've come to the point of view that this is one area where the UK gets it right: it isn't about the little tests, homework grades, attendance and participation grades along the way. What matters is mastery at the end of the line. (Though I disagree with their urge to specialize too soon and at the expense of a broader education in the more mature academic years).


I'm not familiar with the British system. What does this end of the line mastery look like? Are they allowed to prepare for it, or would that be cheating?


everybody preps because everybody knows what's coming and how important it is- more like the SAT than the quant q so no real advantage to people who know about the importance of the test early because everybody knows. The A levels are massive make or break tests (think college admission that didn't give a damn about the holistic student or gpa) and they are standardized so that the worst public school gives the same test as the best private school


We should get rid of the bar exam. "Rote memorization" is not the American way. Lawyers should be allowed to use google in the court room. Get rid of the medical board exams too. We are all equally gifted. That's a given. No need for any more test. Let Europe, Asia and everywhere else continue their testing. American is an exceptional place.

We are going to compare law students to elementary students? Lawyers can be some of the most unethical a$$holes out there, so that’s a bad example anyhow. It’s apples and oranges. If the chinese and the rest of the world want to prep for tests and gain advantages over everyone, then they aren’t as knowledgeable as they want us to believe.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 10:55     Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:The school, and school alone, should be adequate in preparing students for any exam. No need for any outside assistance unless you are learning disabled and in special education.

Thus!!

Adequate being the key word.

The county should not test beyond what they are teaching, and they should make sure to teach everything relevant to their testing.

The county is NOT teaching squat at Title I schools. They are still not planning on teaching at those schools. They are planning on a lottery so they can Gervinho away with NOT teaching.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 10:55     Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
PP here, just to clarify, by learning extra material, I am not referring to paying a tutor or taking a prep course. If you want to learn on your own fine, but tests should only reflect skills that have been taught in school only. Any type of prep courses should be banned.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 10:52     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've come to the point of view that this is one area where the UK gets it right: it isn't about the little tests, homework grades, attendance and participation grades along the way. What matters is mastery at the end of the line. (Though I disagree with their urge to specialize too soon and at the expense of a broader education in the more mature academic years).


I'm not familiar with the British system. What does this end of the line mastery look like? Are they allowed to prepare for it, or would that be cheating?


everybody preps because everybody knows what's coming and how important it is- more like the SAT than the quant q so no real advantage to people who know about the importance of the test early because everybody knows. The A levels are massive make or break tests (think college admission that didn't give a damn about the holistic student or gpa) and they are standardized so that the worst public school gives the same test as the best private school


We should get rid of the bar exam. "Rote memorization" is not the American way. Lawyers should be allowed to use google in the court room. Get rid of the medical board exams too. We are all equally gifted. That's a given. No need for any more test. Let Europe, Asia and everywhere else continue their testing. American is an exceptional place.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 10:52     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
anyone else wonder if pp is just a troll replying to themselves ?
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 10:51     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've come to the point of view that this is one area where the UK gets it right: it isn't about the little tests, homework grades, attendance and participation grades along the way. What matters is mastery at the end of the line. (Though I disagree with their urge to specialize too soon and at the expense of a broader education in the more mature academic years).


I'm not familiar with the British system. What does this end of the line mastery look like? Are they allowed to prepare for it, or would that be cheating?


everybody preps because everybody knows what's coming and how important it is- more like the SAT than the quant q so no real advantage to people who know about the importance of the test early because everybody knows. The A levels are massive make or break tests (think college admission that didn't give a damn about the holistic student or gpa) and they are standardized so that the worst public school gives the same test as the best private school


Is it only the Asians in the UK who prep for the A levels, or the Whites too? Is there a problem with too many Asians in UK schools like there is here?


Not sure about the UK, but I imagine the Asians are cheating just as much over there. We need to keep this under control on a global basis because the next generation of the educated class will be all Asians, and we know what that means....


Wow. Just wow. Is this what all of you sjw's really think? Wow. I'm so disillusioned by humanity right now.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 10:48     Subject: Re:How can society measure our academic abilities?
Feel free to go out and learn whatever advanced formulas you want, but in no way should any questions on standardized tests reflect any of this extra material that you have learned outside of school.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 10:47     Subject: How can society measure our academic abilities?
" How does one show an aptitude for math, then, if we can't test people for it because someone might prep for it? "

Did four-year-old Mozart have a tutor or did Wolfgang 'just do it?"

Antonio Salieri was a frustrated test-prepper.