Anonymous wrote:I’ve seriously thought about buying a gun and shooting at drivers who menace me while I’m legally riding on the road which I’m entitled to do. Their car is a deadly weapon to me, and it’s about time it worked the other way too.

I’ll keep this in mind when cyclists are running down pedestrians.

Anonymous wrote:Yup, me too!

I actually think they should be banned on all major roads such as Connecticut Ave, Constitution Ave, etc. They slow down traffic so much that I don't think it's worth it.

This is the funny thing about this - the average travel speeds on most congested DC roads, including the ones you cite, are around 12-13 MPH during the vast majority of the week and that is actually a lower speed than most cyclists ride.

Sure you can hit some open sections of road and gun and get up to 40MPH for a block or two but all you are doing is getting to the queue of cars at the next intersection faster so you can waste more gas idling.

I bike all over DC including on Connecticut and it is not uncommon for me to be passed multiple times by the same cars on a ride because these dip$hit drivers (almost all from MD) don't understand this. And I am passed multiple times because these idiots from Olney go gunning around me only to have me pass them 2 blocks later while they idle at the next night surrounded by their suburban brethren all staring at their phones enraged about their crappy commutes.

So no on most DC roads people on bikes are not in fact reducing vehicle travel speeds at all and in fact if we all slowed down cars would consume less gas, idle less and there would be fewer accidents.

Not that I would expect some idiot from Montgomery County in their Pathfinder to understand this.

I’ve seriously thought about buying a gun and shooting at drivers who menace me while I’m legally riding on the road which I’m entitled to do. Their car is a deadly weapon to me, and it’s about time it worked the other way too.

Anonymous wrote:cyclist need their own lane and need to stop at lights and not pass cars during traffic. those that act like that are a bunch of idiots.

Own lane is cool - I hope you support bike and bus/bike lanes all over the place. It needs to be a connected network and protected if you really want people to use it.

I agree with stopping at stop lights, although I hope you recognize that bicyclists can go through a red light with a pedestrian signal (yielding to pedestrians).

Passing cars (I assume you mean splitting the lane) is legal and ok when safe. For me, that's stopped or inching cars. There's also a matter of courtesy. I'm not going to pass a few cars just to make them go around me again. I'm also not going to sit through five stoplight cycles of a gridlocked intersection because that's just silly.

cyclist need their own lane and need to stop at lights and not pass cars during traffic. those that act like that are a bunch of idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:Same! (unless I'm on a bike, then its the car drivers who drive me nuts).

And, did you ever notice that everyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and everyone driving faster than you is an a$$hole? (George Carlin).

Wow, you're so clever! Hey listen, do you think you could get off the gd road where you are slowing EVERYONE down and putting EVERYONE'S life in danger??

You all are going to have to make up your mind here. The OP wants cyclists to obey all the rules. Fine. But you want cyclists to pull over to allow cars to pass, when cyclists are allowed to be on the roads, and take the lane.

So cyclists should obey the rules, except when obeying the rules slows down cars, in which case they should *not* obey the rules, and defer to cars.

That's not a particularly tenable position.

Does it count as obeying the rules if the cyclist is going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone? and putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

How is going slow putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

You can't possibly expect someone driving a car to be sane.

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= Hundreds of lives in jeopardy

Imagine a one lane per direction winding road. One cyclist going 15 mph in the middle of the lane. Cars backed up for about a mile because it's so dangerous to cross over to oncoming traffic to pass the cyclist. Traffic pattens altered and surprising unsuspecting drivers on the road. It's a very dangerous situation. period. All because one cyclist couldn't be bothered to take the bike path.

Traffic patterns changed? Oh, dear!

Road construction must really throw you for a loop, PP.

Look, if someone is obeying the law but going slower than you would like, that's tough. Pass them legally and safely, or not at all. If you endanger or hurt someone while passing, that's on you.

This is very simple.

That's exactly right! Cyclists are like encountering road construction! Do you like road construction pp? Cuz I sure don't.

Drivists want roads but no construction. Hmm, yes. Very rational. Should definitely allow them to have oversized machines that can kill people.

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Anonymous wrote:Same! (unless I'm on a bike, then its the car drivers who drive me nuts).

And, did you ever notice that everyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and everyone driving faster than you is an a$$hole? (George Carlin).

Wow, you're so clever! Hey listen, do you think you could get off the gd road where you are slowing EVERYONE down and putting EVERYONE'S life in danger??

You all are going to have to make up your mind here. The OP wants cyclists to obey all the rules. Fine. But you want cyclists to pull over to allow cars to pass, when cyclists are allowed to be on the roads, and take the lane.

So cyclists should obey the rules, except when obeying the rules slows down cars, in which case they should *not* obey the rules, and defer to cars.

That's not a particularly tenable position.

Does it count as obeying the rules if the cyclist is going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone? and putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

How is going slow putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

You can't possibly expect someone driving a car to be sane.

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A cyclist going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone

= Hundreds of lives in jeopardy

Imagine a one lane per direction winding road. One cyclist going 15 mph in the middle of the lane. Cars backed up for about a mile because it's so dangerous to cross over to oncoming traffic to pass the cyclist. Traffic pattens altered and surprising unsuspecting drivers on the road. It's a very dangerous situation. period. All because one cyclist couldn't be bothered to take the bike path.

Traffic patterns changed? Oh, dear!

Road construction must really throw you for a loop, PP.

Look, if someone is obeying the law but going slower than you would like, that's tough. Pass them legally and safely, or not at all. If you endanger or hurt someone while passing, that's on you.

This is very simple.

That's exactly right! Cyclists are like encountering road construction! Do you like road construction pp? Cuz I sure don't.

Anonymous wrote:How many of you drivers whining about cyclists are OMG SO CONCERNED about climate change because you, like, BELIEVE in SCIENCE?

Quiet. It's hard enough for me to keep flipping between DCUM, fruit ninja, and Fox News while driving. Now you want me to take a college class too?

Anonymous wrote:How many of you drivers whining about cyclists are OMG SO CONCERNED about climate change because you, like, BELIEVE in SCIENCE?

What? not following.

How many of you drivers whining about cyclists are OMG SO CONCERNED about climate change because you, like, BELIEVE in SCIENCE?

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Anonymous wrote:until one of them gets killed then they blame road constructions etc and they are so far up politicians ........... the politicians react as if it is everyone else's fault.

not many fatal bike crashes are the fault of the driver. The past several in Bethesda have resulted in no charges to the driver but totally created a mess for drivers after the fact, perfect example is Little Falls and the Crescent Trail.

It takes you an extra 30 seconds, and it's far safer than it was before. Simmer down.

Exactly, the guy that got killed should have taken the 30 seconds to stop at the intersection instead of blowing through it.

Well, now you have to slow down. You'll be ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Same! (unless I'm on a bike, then its the car drivers who drive me nuts).

And, did you ever notice that everyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and everyone driving faster than you is an a$$hole? (George Carlin).

Wow, you're so clever! Hey listen, do you think you could get off the gd road where you are slowing EVERYONE down and putting EVERYONE'S life in danger??

You all are going to have to make up your mind here. The OP wants cyclists to obey all the rules. Fine. But you want cyclists to pull over to allow cars to pass, when cyclists are allowed to be on the roads, and take the lane.

So cyclists should obey the rules, except when obeying the rules slows down cars, in which case they should *not* obey the rules, and defer to cars.

That's not a particularly tenable position.

Does it count as obeying the rules if the cyclist is going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone? and putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

How is going slow putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

You can't possibly expect someone driving a car to be sane.

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A cyclist going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone

= Hundreds of lives in jeopardy

Imagine a one lane per direction winding road. One cyclist going 15 mph in the middle of the lane. Cars backed up for about a mile because it's so dangerous to cross over to oncoming traffic to pass the cyclist. Traffic pattens altered and surprising unsuspecting drivers on the road. It's a very dangerous situation. period. All because one cyclist couldn't be bothered to take the bike path.

Traffic patterns changed? Oh, dear!

Road construction must really throw you for a loop, PP.

Look, if someone is obeying the law but going slower than you would like, that's tough. Pass them legally and safely, or not at all. If you endanger or hurt someone while passing, that's on you.

This is very simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Same! (unless I'm on a bike, then its the car drivers who drive me nuts).

And, did you ever notice that everyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and everyone driving faster than you is an a$$hole? (George Carlin).

Wow, you're so clever! Hey listen, do you think you could get off the gd road where you are slowing EVERYONE down and putting EVERYONE'S life in danger??

You all are going to have to make up your mind here. The OP wants cyclists to obey all the rules. Fine. But you want cyclists to pull over to allow cars to pass, when cyclists are allowed to be on the roads, and take the lane.

So cyclists should obey the rules, except when obeying the rules slows down cars, in which case they should *not* obey the rules, and defer to cars.

That's not a particularly tenable position.

Does it count as obeying the rules if the cyclist is going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone? and putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

How is going slow putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

You can't possibly expect someone driving a car to be sane.

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A cyclist going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone

= Hundreds of lives in jeopardy

Imagine a one lane per direction winding road. One cyclist going 15 mph in the middle of the lane. Cars backed up for about a mile because it's so dangerous to cross over to oncoming traffic to pass the cyclist. Traffic pattens altered and surprising unsuspecting drivers on the road. It's a very dangerous situation. period. All because one cyclist couldn't be bothered to take the bike path.

Not many of those in DC. Any other problems you'd like to hypothesize?

Newsflash! Not everyone on this board lives in DC!

That part always amazes me. Welcome to DC Urban Mom's, let's talk about traffic patterns in Hicksville, IL?

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Anonymous wrote:Same! (unless I'm on a bike, then its the car drivers who drive me nuts).

And, did you ever notice that everyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and everyone driving faster than you is an a$$hole? (George Carlin).

Wow, you're so clever! Hey listen, do you think you could get off the gd road where you are slowing EVERYONE down and putting EVERYONE'S life in danger??

You all are going to have to make up your mind here. The OP wants cyclists to obey all the rules. Fine. But you want cyclists to pull over to allow cars to pass, when cyclists are allowed to be on the roads, and take the lane.

So cyclists should obey the rules, except when obeying the rules slows down cars, in which case they should *not* obey the rules, and defer to cars.

That's not a particularly tenable position.

Does it count as obeying the rules if the cyclist is going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone? and putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

How is going slow putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

You can't possibly expect someone driving a car to be sane.

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A cyclist going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone

= Hundreds of lives in jeopardy

Imagine a one lane per direction winding road. One cyclist going 15 mph in the middle of the lane. Cars backed up for about a mile because it's so dangerous to cross over to oncoming traffic to pass the cyclist. Traffic pattens altered and surprising unsuspecting drivers on the road. It's a very dangerous situation. period. All because one cyclist couldn't be bothered to take the bike path.

Not many of those in DC. Any other problems you'd like to hypothesize?

Newsflash! Not everyone on this board lives in DC!

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Anonymous wrote:Same! (unless I'm on a bike, then its the car drivers who drive me nuts).

And, did you ever notice that everyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and everyone driving faster than you is an a$$hole? (George Carlin).

Wow, you're so clever! Hey listen, do you think you could get off the gd road where you are slowing EVERYONE down and putting EVERYONE'S life in danger??

You all are going to have to make up your mind here. The OP wants cyclists to obey all the rules. Fine. But you want cyclists to pull over to allow cars to pass, when cyclists are allowed to be on the roads, and take the lane.

So cyclists should obey the rules, except when obeying the rules slows down cars, in which case they should *not* obey the rules, and defer to cars.

That's not a particularly tenable position.

Does it count as obeying the rules if the cyclist is going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone? and putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

How is going slow putting hundreds of lives in jeopardy?

You can't possibly expect someone driving a car to be sane.

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A cyclist going 20 mph in a 45 mph zone

= Hundreds of lives in jeopardy

Imagine a one lane per direction winding road. One cyclist going 15 mph in the middle of the lane. Cars backed up for about a mile because it's so dangerous to cross over to oncoming traffic to pass the cyclist. Traffic pattens altered and surprising unsuspecting drivers on the road. It's a very dangerous situation. period. All because one cyclist couldn't be bothered to take the bike path.

Not many of those in DC. Any other problems you'd like to hypothesize?