Anonymous wrote:But you need to look at this on the level of individual versus societal risk. The greater good is that risk of transmission in a community goes down.

1. It is NOT clear that the risk of transmission goes down as a result of mask wearing during soccer games. The preponderance of the evidence is that there is no effect from masks at all in any environment let alone outdoors amongst asymptomatic children - although I doubt we will ever have absolutely conclusive proof in either direction.

2. It is also NOT clear that lowering the risk of transmission is a good thing either. The collateral damage from the continuing pandemic is shaping up to be at least an order of magnitude greater than the damage caused by the disease itself. Rapid spread and getting the whole thing over with as quickly as possible would have been, and continues to be, in my view, the best strategy for society by a very wide margin.

Covid has lowered average life expectancy in the US by less than a week. Our reaction to it has been absurd.

Latest CDC infection fatality rate estimates: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054

These estimates still include all people with comorbidities and also do not account for pre-existing immunity which likely protects 80% of the population, so your actual chance of dying as an U19 is 6 out of every million, five of whom will be sufferng from other life threatening conditions. In other words the risk of an U19 dying solely from covid is about half the chance of being struck by lightning. The risk of them dying from covid acquired during a soccer game is obviously a tiny fraction of that since the vast majority of trasnmission occurs indoors as a result of sustained contact.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to my child. Had an asthma-like attack the other day while running for a sport with a mask. My child cannot continue to participate in said sport the same way as long as masks are required. My child cannot participate in some activities in practice and must take more frequent breaks.

But you need to look at this on the level of individual versus societal risk. The greater good is that risk of transmission in a community goes down.

What happened was downright scary for my child but I still think MSI's position is the right one.

Your child could definitely qualify for a medical exemption. I would talk to your pediatrician. I wouldn’t go for the greater good if it’s harming my child, sorry. My daughters are playing in very lightweight masks and have been fine so far. But if something like this happened I would not hesitate to get a medical exemption.

So screw the greater good if Mia and Peyton can't manage to wear a mask? Congratulations, you are what's wrong with America. If someone can't wear a mask, for either medical or political reasons, then the simple solution is that person doesn't get to participate in society, or in this case a particular activity, for a few months.

My kid doesn't like shin guards. But he wears them, because it's required to play. He can choose not to wear them, and perhaps I can whine to his doctor that his little tootsies hurt and try get a note, but it won't do a damn thing. Wear the required safety gear or go home.

Hey - For everyone who has an opinion here - I highly encourage you to go put on a well fitting mask and then run around the block a few times. Your opinion about whether or not a child (who may not be able to self-monitor their breathing) should participate in strenuous aerobic activity - might change... This is a unique circumstance - the kids are outdoors and they are being extremely active - and they are being asked to limit their ability to breath while doing so - there is a reason why the medical and scientific advisors (WHO, CDC, and now Dr. Gayles have changed their position). Keep your politics to yourself - focus on the overall well being of your kids. Now go for a run - and see for yourself!

If that's the case then they shouldn't be playing at all. It's absurd to think that panting in each other's faces is not going to spread COVID. This stupid thinking is why america is at the bottom of the covid-fighting barrel.

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Anonymous wrote:The mask requirement came about after many had already registered. So they wouldn't be changing mid season...they would just be going back to their original protocol when they started registering teams/players. The just got spooked by a few families/teams who threatened to pull out.

Good. All families should take a stand and insist on doing what's right or not participating. I'm sick of this pandemic and want to resume life. Wear the masks so we can all go back to living again.

I agree. All families should take a stand and insist on doing what's right or not participating. I'm sick of this pandemic and want to resume life. Stop wearing the masks so we can all go back to living again.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to my child. Had an asthma-like attack the other day while running for a sport with a mask. My child cannot continue to participate in said sport the same way as long as masks are required. My child cannot participate in some activities in practice and must take more frequent breaks.

But you need to look at this on the level of individual versus societal risk. The greater good is that risk of transmission in a community goes down.

What happened was downright scary for my child but I still think MSI's position is the right one.

Your child could definitely qualify for a medical exemption. I would talk to your pediatrician. I wouldn’t go for the greater good if it’s harming my child, sorry. My daughters are playing in very lightweight masks and have been fine so far. But if something like this happened I would not hesitate to get a medical exemption.

So screw the greater good if Mia and Peyton can't manage to wear a mask? Congratulations, you are what's wrong with America. If someone can't wear a mask, for either medical or political reasons, then the simple solution is that person doesn't get to participate in society, or in this case a particular activity, for a few months.

My kid doesn't like shin guards. But he wears them, because it's required to play. He can choose not to wear them, and perhaps I can whine to his doctor that his little tootsies hurt and try get a note, but it won't do a damn thing. Wear the required safety gear or go home.

You’re seriously comparing wearing shin guards and maybe getting a bruise to wearing a mask and extreme breathing difficulties like this child experienced? There are medical exemptions for mask wearing, even during sports.

Lol a bruise? I specialize in ortho. Peds tibia (leg) fractures are very common. And it will have you out of soccer for about 3 months. Not necessarily equal but don't downplay the usefulness of shinguards.

Very common? That's odd. I grew up in England and almost nobody wore shin pads back in those days. I don't recall any of my friends - not a single one - across decades and multiple teams - getting tibia fractures - not one. An uncle did - but he was still playing soccer in his late fifties - so perhaps that's not surprising.

So if you are seeing lots of tibia fractures now, when everyone wears shin pads all the time, that seems very strange to me.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to my child. Had an asthma-like attack the other day while running for a sport with a mask. My child cannot continue to participate in said sport the same way as long as masks are required. My child cannot participate in some activities in practice and must take more frequent breaks.

But you need to look at this on the level of individual versus societal risk. The greater good is that risk of transmission in a community goes down.

What happened was downright scary for my child but I still think MSI's position is the right one.

Your child could definitely qualify for a medical exemption. I would talk to your pediatrician. I wouldn’t go for the greater good if it’s harming my child, sorry. My daughters are playing in very lightweight masks and have been fine so far. But if something like this happened I would not hesitate to get a medical exemption.

So screw the greater good if Mia and Peyton can't manage to wear a mask? Congratulations, you are what's wrong with America. If someone can't wear a mask, for either medical or political reasons, then the simple solution is that person doesn't get to participate in society, or in this case a particular activity, for a few months.

My kid doesn't like shin guards. But he wears them, because it's required to play. He can choose not to wear them, and perhaps I can whine to his doctor that his little tootsies hurt and try get a note, but it won't do a damn thing. Wear the required safety gear or go home.

Hey - For everyone who has an opinion here - I highly encourage you to go put on a well fitting mask and then run around the block a few times. Your opinion about whether or not a child (who may not be able to self-monitor their breathing) should participate in strenuous aerobic activity - might change... This is a unique circumstance - the kids are outdoors and they are being extremely active - and they are being asked to limit their ability to breath while doing so - there is a reason why the medical and scientific advisors (WHO, CDC, and now Dr. Gayles have changed their position). Keep your politics to yourself - focus on the overall well being of your kids. Now go for a run - and see for yourself!

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to my child. Had an asthma-like attack the other day while running for a sport with a mask. My child cannot continue to participate in said sport the same way as long as masks are required. My child cannot participate in some activities in practice and must take more frequent breaks.

But you need to look at this on the level of individual versus societal risk. The greater good is that risk of transmission in a community goes down.

What happened was downright scary for my child but I still think MSI's position is the right one.

Your child could definitely qualify for a medical exemption. I would talk to your pediatrician. I wouldn’t go for the greater good if it’s harming my child, sorry. My daughters are playing in very lightweight masks and have been fine so far. But if something like this happened I would not hesitate to get a medical exemption.

So screw the greater good if Mia and Peyton can't manage to wear a mask? Congratulations, you are what's wrong with America. If someone can't wear a mask, for either medical or political reasons, then the simple solution is that person doesn't get to participate in society, or in this case a particular activity, for a few months.

My kid doesn't like shin guards. But he wears them, because it's required to play. He can choose not to wear them, and perhaps I can whine to his doctor that his little tootsies hurt and try get a note, but it won't do a damn thing. Wear the required safety gear or go home.

Hey - For everyone who has an opinion here - I highly encourage you to go put on a well fitting mask and then run around the block a few times. Your opinion about whether or not a child (who may not be able to self-monitor their breathing) should participate in strenuous aerobic activity - might change... This is a unique circumstance - the kids are outdoors and they are being extremely active - and they are being asked to limit their ability to breath while doing so - there is a reason why the medical and scientific advisors (WHO, CDC, and now Dr. Gayles have changed their position). Keep your politics to yourself - focus on the overall well being of your kids. Now go for a run - and see for yourself!

I doubt people who can't wear a mask make for very good athletes anyway. People train in low oxygen environments to get in better shape, and you think a cloth mask is going to keep enough fresh air away from your kids that it is unhealthy? Please.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to my child. Had an asthma-like attack the other day while running for a sport with a mask. My child cannot continue to participate in said sport the same way as long as masks are required. My child cannot participate in some activities in practice and must take more frequent breaks.

But you need to look at this on the level of individual versus societal risk. The greater good is that risk of transmission in a community goes down.

What happened was downright scary for my child but I still think MSI's position is the right one.

Your child could definitely qualify for a medical exemption. I would talk to your pediatrician. I wouldn’t go for the greater good if it’s harming my child, sorry. My daughters are playing in very lightweight masks and have been fine so far. But if something like this happened I would not hesitate to get a medical exemption.

So screw the greater good if Mia and Peyton can't manage to wear a mask? Congratulations, you are what's wrong with America. If someone can't wear a mask, for either medical or political reasons, then the simple solution is that person doesn't get to participate in society, or in this case a particular activity, for a few months.

My kid doesn't like shin guards. But he wears them, because it's required to play. He can choose not to wear them, and perhaps I can whine to his doctor that his little tootsies hurt and try get a note, but it won't do a damn thing. Wear the required safety gear or go home.

You’re seriously comparing wearing shin guards and maybe getting a bruise to wearing a mask and extreme breathing difficulties like this child experienced? There are medical exemptions for mask wearing, even during sports.

Lol a bruise? I specialize in ortho. Peds tibia (leg) fractures are very common. And it will have you out of soccer for about 3 months. Not necessarily equal but don't downplay the usefulness of shinguards.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to my child. Had an asthma-like attack the other day while running for a sport with a mask. My child cannot continue to participate in said sport the same way as long as masks are required. My child cannot participate in some activities in practice and must take more frequent breaks.

But you need to look at this on the level of individual versus societal risk. The greater good is that risk of transmission in a community goes down.

What happened was downright scary for my child but I still think MSI's position is the right one.

Your child could definitely qualify for a medical exemption. I would talk to your pediatrician. I wouldn’t go for the greater good if it’s harming my child, sorry. My daughters are playing in very lightweight masks and have been fine so far. But if something like this happened I would not hesitate to get a medical exemption.

So screw the greater good if Mia and Peyton can't manage to wear a mask? Congratulations, you are what's wrong with America. If someone can't wear a mask, for either medical or political reasons, then the simple solution is that person doesn't get to participate in society, or in this case a particular activity, for a few months.

My kid doesn't like shin guards. But he wears them, because it's required to play. He can choose not to wear them, and perhaps I can whine to his doctor that his little tootsies hurt and try get a note, but it won't do a damn thing. Wear the required safety gear or go home.

You’re seriously comparing wearing shin guards and maybe getting a bruise to wearing a mask and extreme breathing difficulties like this child experienced? There are medical exemptions for mask wearing, even during sports.

“The greater good”. That made me giggle. Wearing a mask while playing a sport is unnecessary and the proof is in the observations and statistics to date. Kids are being put in more physical danger by wearing a mask while exercising, but the lawyers in MoCo don’t care about that fact. They just don’t want to be held liable by the nutty constituents there regardless of who gets hurt. Glad I don’t live there.