Anonymous
09/17/2020 09:03
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I predict not. I believe the root of the issue is lack of interest, so a lottery, or even an open admissions policy, won't fix that.
What you don't understand is that many highly qualified URMs don't want to attend TJ because they think they won't fit in. DD is a straight A student in AAP at a TJ feeder and she refuses to apply to TJ because she thinks she will not fit into the culture (a culture of cheating, racism, few minorities, few girls, etc...). This is sad considering that she loves STEM and wants to be an engineer.
How do we go about convincing people that these perceptions of the culture are incorrect?
Are they incorrect? The answer is to change the culture.
As someone who has been associated with TJ for a very long time, yes, they are incorrect. The classes at TJ are taught at a high level and are very fast-paced. But isn't that the point of the school?
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:59
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I predict not. I believe the root of the issue is lack of interest, so a lottery, or even an open admissions policy, won't fix that.
What you don't understand is that many highly qualified URMs don't want to attend TJ because they think they won't fit in. DD is a straight A student in AAP at a TJ feeder and she refuses to apply to TJ because she thinks she will not fit into the culture (a culture of cheating, racism, few minorities, few girls, etc...). This is sad considering that she loves STEM and wants to be an engineer.
How do we go about convincing people that these perceptions of the culture are incorrect?
Change the culture. The school board is right.
Whether this new admissions process will work is something that we'll find out in the next few years. Something needed to change though, so it's good that they did this.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:59
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I predict not. I believe the root of the issue is lack of interest, so a lottery, or even an open admissions policy, won't fix that.
What you don't understand is that many highly qualified URMs don't want to attend TJ because they think they won't fit in. DD is a straight A student in AAP at a TJ feeder and she refuses to apply to TJ because she thinks she will not fit into the culture (a culture of cheating, racism, few minorities, few girls, etc...). This is sad considering that she loves STEM and wants to be an engineer.
How do we go about convincing people that these perceptions of the culture are incorrect?
Are they incorrect? The answer is to change the culture.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:56
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen the first year. If teachers teach at the same level with the same harsh grading methods, and kids don't have the same level of support at home, it's going to be a mess.
C'mon, you know what is going to happen.
At first, teachers will largely maintain the same curriculum because of inertia and because they have inherent respect for their students.
Then, data will be gathered that it is primarily the unprepared students who cannot handle the work. These students will also turn out to be predominantly URMs. They will be dropping out of TJ to base schools with GPA's that will make them ineligible for competitive college admissions.
Then the curriculum that made TJ what it is will be thrown out, following throwing out the students that made TJ what it is. I give it 2-3 years.
Done.
100% agree. The School Board has ruined TJ for "diversity".
There is no more TJ. It was effectively closed this week.
The cutthroat cheating TJ? Good riddance. Now it can be an excellent STEM school for excellent students.
+1
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:56
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I predict not. I believe the root of the issue is lack of interest, so a lottery, or even an open admissions policy, won't fix that.
What you don't understand is that many highly qualified URMs don't want to attend TJ because they think they won't fit in. DD is a straight A student in AAP at a TJ feeder and she refuses to apply to TJ because she thinks she will not fit into the culture (a culture of cheating, racism, few minorities, few girls, etc...). This is sad considering that she loves STEM and wants to be an engineer.
How do we go about convincing people that these perceptions of the culture are incorrect?
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:53
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:I predict not. I believe the root of the issue is lack of interest, so a lottery, or even an open admissions policy, won't fix that.
What you don't understand is that many highly qualified URMs don't want to attend TJ because they think they won't fit in. DD is a straight A student in AAP at a TJ feeder and she refuses to apply to TJ because she thinks she will not fit into the culture (a culture of cheating, racism, few minorities, few girls, etc...). This is sad considering that she loves STEM and wants to be an engineer.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:53
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen the first year. If teachers teach at the same level with the same harsh grading methods, and kids don't have the same level of support at home, it's going to be a mess.
C'mon, you know what is going to happen.
At first, teachers will largely maintain the same curriculum because of inertia and because they have inherent respect for their students.
Then, data will be gathered that it is primarily the unprepared students who cannot handle the work. These students will also turn out to be predominantly URMs. They will be dropping out of TJ to base schools with GPA's that will make them ineligible for competitive college admissions.
Then the curriculum that made TJ what it is will be thrown out, following throwing out the students that made TJ what it is. I give it 2-3 years.
Done.
100% agree. The School Board has ruined TJ for "diversity".
TJ was already ruined by the test prep centered students who currently attend, not a big loss to have a change.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:53
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen the first year. If teachers teach at the same level with the same harsh grading methods, and kids don't have the same level of support at home, it's going to be a mess.
C'mon, you know what is going to happen.
At first, teachers will largely maintain the same curriculum because of inertia and because they have inherent respect for their students.
Then, data will be gathered that it is primarily the unprepared students who cannot handle the work. These students will also turn out to be predominantly URMs. They will be dropping out of TJ to base schools with GPA's that will make them ineligible for competitive college admissions.
Then the curriculum that made TJ what it is will be thrown out, following throwing out the students that made TJ what it is. I give it 2-3 years.
Done.
100% agree. The School Board has ruined TJ for "diversity".
There is no more TJ. It was effectively closed this week.
The cutthroat cheating TJ? Good riddance. Now it can be an excellent STEM school for excellent students.
Good, good, let your bitterness out.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:50
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen the first year. If teachers teach at the same level with the same harsh grading methods, and kids don't have the same level of support at home, it's going to be a mess.
C'mon, you know what is going to happen.
At first, teachers will largely maintain the same curriculum because of inertia and because they have inherent respect for their students.
Then, data will be gathered that it is primarily the unprepared students who cannot handle the work. These students will also turn out to be predominantly URMs. They will be dropping out of TJ to base schools with GPA's that will make them ineligible for competitive college admissions.
Then the curriculum that made TJ what it is will be thrown out, following throwing out the students that made TJ what it is. I give it 2-3 years.
Done.
100% agree. The School Board has ruined TJ for "diversity".
There is no more TJ. It was effectively closed this week.
The cutthroat cheating TJ? Good riddance. Now it can be an excellent STEM school for excellent students.
I really wouldn't call a 3.5 gpa requirement as "excellent". I might have a different opinion if the requirement for the lottery was more stringent- higher gpa (3.8? 3.9?) with specific course prerequisites and majority yes (out of yes/no) recommendation from 3 teachers of student's choosing for example.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:47
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does everyone know that part of the reason Amazon set up HQ2 where they did is because of the perception created by the top stem school in the country and the pipeline that creates? Mediocre students will make a mediocre school and will have multiple detrimental downstream effects to fairfax county and school district.
this is the stupidest argument of them all- how many engineers will Amazon hire from TJ? What percent of TJ students forgo college?
But that post is a perfect example of why some uninformed parents take "TJ or bust" approach with their kids. They lose perspectives.
Is your child worthy to join The Pipeline? /s
MIT Eng Phd degree, yes, I think so.
Your kid has an doctorate in Engineering from MIT? Sounds like they might be overqualified....
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:45
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does everyone know that part of the reason Amazon set up HQ2 where they did is because of the perception created by the top stem school in the country and the pipeline that creates? Mediocre students will make a mediocre school and will have multiple detrimental downstream effects to fairfax county and school district.
this is the stupidest argument of them all- how many engineers will Amazon hire from TJ? What percent of TJ students forgo college?
But that post is a perfect example of why some uninformed parents take "TJ or bust" approach with their kids. They lose perspectives.
Is your child worthy to join The Pipeline? /s
MIT Eng Phd degree, yes, I think so.
/s is abbreviation for sarcasm. I’m pretty sure most of us here have impressive resumes.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:43
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does everyone know that part of the reason Amazon set up HQ2 where they did is because of the perception created by the top stem school in the country and the pipeline that creates? Mediocre students will make a mediocre school and will have multiple detrimental downstream effects to fairfax county and school district.
this is the stupidest argument of them all- how many engineers will Amazon hire from TJ? What percent of TJ students forgo college?
But that post is a perfect example of why some uninformed parents take "TJ or bust" approach with their kids. They lose perspectives.
Is your child worthy to join The Pipeline? /s
MIT Eng Phd degree, yes, I think so.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:41
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does everyone know that part of the reason Amazon set up HQ2 where they did is because of the perception created by the top stem school in the country and the pipeline that creates? Mediocre students will make a mediocre school and will have multiple detrimental downstream effects to fairfax county and school district.
this is the stupidest argument of them all- how many engineers will Amazon hire from TJ? What percent of TJ students forgo college?
But that post is a perfect example of why some uninformed parents take "TJ or bust" approach with their kids. They lose perspectives.
Is your child worthy to join The Pipeline? /s
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:40
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does everyone know that part of the reason Amazon set up HQ2 where they did is because of the perception created by the top stem school in the country and the pipeline that creates? Mediocre students will make a mediocre school and will have multiple detrimental downstream effects to fairfax county and school district.
this is the stupidest argument of them all- how many engineers will Amazon hire from TJ? What percent of TJ students forgo college?
But that post is a perfect example of why some uninformed parents take "TJ or bust" approach with their kids. They lose perspectives.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 08:36
Subject: Who thinks the new TJ admissions proposal will increase URM enrollment?
Anonymous wrote:Does everyone know that part of the reason Amazon set up HQ2 where they did is because of the perception created by the top stem school in the country and the pipeline that creates? Mediocre students will make a mediocre school and will have multiple detrimental downstream effects to fairfax county and school district.
this is the stupidest argument of them all- how many engineers will Amazon hire from TJ? What percent of TJ students forgo college?