Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just watched it and trying to process. Thoroughly engrossing. Powerful depiction of early adolescents trying to make sense of sex, plus immigration and culture clash. Didn't see any of the ads - there are certainly shots of kids dancing in hyper sexualized fashion.

For this film, context is everything. It's a powerful argument for the importance of parents who are present and able to help kids navigate their burgeoning sexuality.

My concern is for the girls acting in the film. Apparently they are 13/14. How are they affected by the roles they're enacting, and by the sexual interest they're inevitably evoking? Who's helping them make sense of this use of their own sexuality?

In a way it makes me think of a production of Madama Butterfly in which the role of Cio Cio San's 4 yo son is played by a marionette. Very powerful, in part because there's no way you can use a real child to act out their mother's suicide. Whatever the cause of "art," you just don't put kids in that situation. Likewise with these girls.

Agree with PP, watch it before it gets pulled. And please don't prattle on about it if you haven't seen it.

So don't talk about the child porn until to have watched the child porn to appreciate the "context"? Got it.

Your reasoning is circular.

Anonymous wrote:It's clearly about the challenges of growing up as an adolescent girl in a culture that aggressively sexualizes young women while also depriving young women of any agency around their own bodies. I thought it was interesting to see this idea through the eyes of a Senegalese immigrant girl in a Western country that is not the US, and I also found the way the story explores Amy's relationship to her Muslim culture versus how she relates to the broader mainstream culture to be very thoughtfully done.

It's so dumb that this movie has received tons of negative attention just because Netflix messed up the way it advertised the film. It does not exploit young women. The opposite -- it is a story told from the point of view of a young woman that honestly addresses issues young girls everywhere have to deal with. It made me think a lot about how I responded to sexualized imagery and pressure as an adolescent in the 90s. Plus it's a critically claimed movie that won an award at Sundance, directed by a black woman. The "controversy" around it is dumb. Watch it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just watched it and trying to process. Thoroughly engrossing. Powerful depiction of early adolescents trying to make sense of sex, plus immigration and culture clash. Didn't see any of the ads - there are certainly shots of kids dancing in hyper sexualized fashion.

For this film, context is everything. It's a powerful argument for the importance of parents who are present and able to help kids navigate their burgeoning sexuality.

My concern is for the girls acting in the film. Apparently they are 13/14. How are they affected by the roles they're enacting, and by the sexual interest they're inevitably evoking? Who's helping them make sense of this use of their own sexuality?

In a way it makes me think of a production of Madama Butterfly in which the role of Cio Cio San's 4 yo son is played by a marionette. Very powerful, in part because there's no way you can use a real child to act out their mother's suicide. Whatever the cause of "art," you just don't put kids in that situation. Likewise with these girls.

Agree with PP, watch it before it gets pulled. And please don't prattle on about it if you haven't seen it.

So don't talk about the child porn until to have watched the child porn to appreciate the "context"? Got it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what's the controversy?

Child porn

like dance moms?
Why was dance moms on for 9 seasons?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just watched it and trying to process. Thoroughly engrossing. Powerful depiction of early adolescents trying to make sense of sex, plus immigration and culture clash. Didn't see any of the ads - there are certainly shots of kids dancing in hyper sexualized fashion.

For this film, context is everything. It's a powerful argument for the importance of parents who are present and able to help kids navigate their burgeoning sexuality.

My concern is for the girls acting in the film. Apparently they are 13/14. How are they affected by the roles they're enacting, and by the sexual interest they're inevitably evoking? Who's helping them make sense of this use of their own sexuality?

In a way it makes me think of a production of Madama Butterfly in which the role of Cio Cio San's 4 yo son is played by a marionette. Very powerful, in part because there's no way you can use a real child to act out their mother's suicide. Whatever the cause of "art," you just don't put kids in that situation. Likewise with these girls.

Agree with PP, watch it before it gets pulled. And please don't prattle on about it if you haven't seen it.

So don't talk about the child porn until to have watched the child porn to appreciate the "context"? Got it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what's the controversy?

Child porn

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Anonymous wrote:

The few scenes I saw were very, very uncomfortable. No amount of context, narrative or morality jibberish can justify this.

Thought-provoking art that is created to be cultural commentary is not meant to be comfortable. That's the entire freakin' point.

Anonymous wrote:It takes an analytical mind to understand this film. Need I say more?

Anonymous wrote:

The few scenes I saw were very, very uncomfortable. No amount of context, narrative or morality jibberish can justify this.

Anonymous wrote:Just watched it and trying to process. Thoroughly engrossing. Powerful depiction of early adolescents trying to make sense of sex, plus immigration and culture clash. Didn't see any of the ads - there are certainly shots of kids dancing in hyper sexualized fashion.

For this film, context is everything. It's a powerful argument for the importance of parents who are present and able to help kids navigate their burgeoning sexuality.

My concern is for the girls acting in the film. Apparently they are 13/14. How are they affected by the roles they're enacting, and by the sexual interest they're inevitably evoking? Who's helping them make sense of this use of their own sexuality?

In a way it makes me think of a production of Madama Butterfly in which the role of Cio Cio San's 4 yo son is played by a marionette. Very powerful, in part because there's no way you can use a real child to act out their mother's suicide. Whatever the cause of "art," you just don't put kids in that situation. Likewise with these girls.

Agree with PP, watch it before it gets pulled. And please don't prattle on about it if you haven't seen it.

Anonymous wrote:Just watched it and trying to process. Thoroughly engrossing. Powerful depiction of early adolescents trying to make sense of sex, plus immigration and culture clash. Didn't see any of the ads - there are certainly shots of kids dancing in hyper sexualized fashion.

For this film, context is everything. It's a powerful argument for the importance of parents who are present and able to help kids navigate their burgeoning sexuality.

My concern is for the girls acting in the film. Apparently they are 13/14. How are they affected by the roles they're enacting, and by the sexual interest they're inevitably evoking? Who's helping them make sense of this use of their own sexuality?

In a way it makes me think of a production of Madama Butterfly in which the role of Cio Cio San's 4 yo son is played by a marionette. Very powerful, in part because there's no way you can use a real child to act out their mother's suicide. Whatever the cause of "art," you just don't put kids in that situation. Likewise with these girls.

Agree with PP, watch it before it gets pulled. And please don't prattle on about it if you haven't seen it.

Anonymous wrote:Did you watch it or just see the ad?

There's been controversy with the poster/ads because Netflix chose a very sexualized image that the director (a Black woman) did not at all approve. The director has been getting death threats from idiots who saw the poster and went nuts assuming this was child porn. So if you're going by the advertising, which Netflix has withdrawn, you might want to look at reviews etc. instead. I haven't seen it yet but know it's about dance troupes--yes, the tween-girl kind with short-shorts costumes etc. But Netflix totally blew the ads and the director is being unfairly targeted by ignorant nuts now. Not just cancel culture but death threat culture. Over a movie that apparently wasn't as depicted in one crappy image.