Anonymous
09/09/2020 12:22
Subject: computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here.. Thanks for all the responses.
UVA is one of the schools on his list and like someone said, for the right kid the placements seems to be good. The discussions we are having is about which route - School of Engg. vs Arts/sciences. Same issue at most other schools.
I work in tech with many computer science graduates. The ones that get the furthest tend to be well-rounded and at some point shift from the technical to the business side. For this reason, I'd generally say BA route.
My friend also works in tech in CA, and recommended that my kid think of a suitable double major to make him more interesting/well-rounded. My friend majored in CS and philosophy (which includes a lot of logic). If you do Engineering at VT say to get into CS, you have to do chemistry and physics (that you may never use again) to get into the engineering program (or otherwise pass the AP in those subjects in HS). My kid is doing other subjects that complement artificial intelligence under a B.Sc.
Anonymous
09/09/2020 10:25
Subject: Re:computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's not correct. 300+ still apply. The more recent change is that far fewer are admitted than in previous years.
Perhaps, but it seems like many more just prefer OOS destinations these days. From a Washington Post article from 2013:
"Local universities will also be be the destinations of Thomas Jefferson alumni: about 65 seniors will head to William and Mary next fall, the most in the past five years. But the number of students heading to the University of Virginia (86) is the lowest since 2009 and those enrolling at Virginia Tech (21) is the lowest since 2010."
For last year, the numbers were: 40 UVA, 19 W&M, 16 VT. Those are big drops.
The schools that have increased seem to be ones like Michigan (8), Pitt (15), CMU (10), Cornell (10), Purdue (10), Illinois (9), GT (7), Berkeley (6), Michigan (8), MIT (8), Harvard (7)
Nothing to see here. Of course if more TJ kids are rejected from UVA, more will go somewhere else.
Yield has gone down.
Yield has gone down because UVA has become more selective from the TJ applicant pool. The better applicants have more options.
Perhaps. Rejecting more of those that want to go there while accepting those that want to go somewhere else will certainly lower yield.
But looking at the pattern for the three top in-state destinations (that account for 90%+ of the in-state students), TJ grads going to those three schools declined from 172 in 2013 to 75 in 2020, a nearly 60% drop. I think TJ grads have been figuring out they have good options elsewhere.
True.
Anonymous
09/08/2020 22:05
Subject: Re:computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's not correct. 300+ still apply. The more recent change is that far fewer are admitted than in previous years.
Perhaps, but it seems like many more just prefer OOS destinations these days. From a Washington Post article from 2013:
"Local universities will also be be the destinations of Thomas Jefferson alumni: about 65 seniors will head to William and Mary next fall, the most in the past five years. But the number of students heading to the University of Virginia (86) is the lowest since 2009 and those enrolling at Virginia Tech (21) is the lowest since 2010."
For last year, the numbers were: 40 UVA, 19 W&M, 16 VT. Those are big drops.
The schools that have increased seem to be ones like Michigan (8), Pitt (15), CMU (10), Cornell (10), Purdue (10), Illinois (9), GT (7), Berkeley (6), Michigan (8), MIT (8), Harvard (7)
Nothing to see here. Of course if more TJ kids are rejected from UVA, more will go somewhere else.
Yield has gone down.
Yield has gone down because UVA has become more selective from the TJ applicant pool. The better applicants have more options.
Perhaps. Rejecting more of those that want to go there while accepting those that want to go somewhere else will certainly lower yield.
But looking at the pattern for the three top in-state destinations (that account for 90%+ of the in-state students), TJ grads going to those three schools declined from 172 in 2013 to 75 in 2020, a nearly 60% drop. I think TJ grads have been figuring out they have good options elsewhere.
Anonymous
09/08/2020 19:59
Subject: Re:computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's not correct. 300+ still apply. The more recent change is that far fewer are admitted than in previous years.
Perhaps, but it seems like many more just prefer OOS destinations these days. From a Washington Post article from 2013:
"Local universities will also be be the destinations of Thomas Jefferson alumni: about 65 seniors will head to William and Mary next fall, the most in the past five years. But the number of students heading to the University of Virginia (86) is the lowest since 2009 and those enrolling at Virginia Tech (21) is the lowest since 2010."
For last year, the numbers were: 40 UVA, 19 W&M, 16 VT. Those are big drops.
The schools that have increased seem to be ones like Michigan (8), Pitt (15), CMU (10), Cornell (10), Purdue (10), Illinois (9), GT (7), Berkeley (6), Michigan (8), MIT (8), Harvard (7)
Nothing to see here. Of course if more TJ kids are rejected from UVA, more will go somewhere else.
Yield has gone down.
Yield has gone down because UVA has become more selective from the TJ applicant pool. The better applicants have more options.
Anonymous
09/08/2020 19:01
Subject: Re:computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's not correct. 300+ still apply. The more recent change is that far fewer are admitted than in previous years.
Perhaps, but it seems like many more just prefer OOS destinations these days. From a Washington Post article from 2013:
"Local universities will also be be the destinations of Thomas Jefferson alumni: about 65 seniors will head to William and Mary next fall, the most in the past five years. But the number of students heading to the University of Virginia (86) is the lowest since 2009 and those enrolling at Virginia Tech (21) is the lowest since 2010."
For last year, the numbers were: 40 UVA, 19 W&M, 16 VT. Those are big drops.
The schools that have increased seem to be ones like Michigan (8), Pitt (15), CMU (10), Cornell (10), Purdue (10), Illinois (9), GT (7), Berkeley (6), Michigan (8), MIT (8), Harvard (7)
Nothing to see here. Of course if more TJ kids are rejected from UVA, more will go somewhere else.
Yield has gone down.
Anonymous
09/08/2020 18:09
Subject: Re:computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's not correct. 300+ still apply. The more recent change is that far fewer are admitted than in previous years.
Perhaps, but it seems like many more just prefer OOS destinations these days. From a Washington Post article from 2013:
"Local universities will also be be the destinations of Thomas Jefferson alumni: about 65 seniors will head to William and Mary next fall, the most in the past five years. But the number of students heading to the University of Virginia (86) is the lowest since 2009 and those enrolling at Virginia Tech (21) is the lowest since 2010."
For last year, the numbers were: 40 UVA, 19 W&M, 16 VT. Those are big drops.
The schools that have increased seem to be ones like Michigan (8), Pitt (15), CMU (10), Cornell (10), Purdue (10), Illinois (9), GT (7), Berkeley (6), Michigan (8), MIT (8), Harvard (7)
Nothing to see here. Of course if more TJ kids are rejected from UVA, more will go somewhere else.
Anonymous
09/08/2020 17:40
Subject: computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:OP here.. Thanks for all the responses.
UVA is one of the schools on his list and like someone said, for the right kid the placements seems to be good. The discussions we are having is about which route - School of Engg. vs Arts/sciences. Same issue at most other schools.
I work in tech with many computer science graduates. The ones that get the furthest tend to be well-rounded and at some point shift from the technical to the business side. For this reason, I'd generally say BA route.
Anonymous
09/08/2020 17:38
Subject: Re:computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's not correct. 300+ still apply. The more recent change is that far fewer are admitted than in previous years.
Perhaps, but it seems like many more just prefer OOS destinations these days. From a Washington Post article from 2013:
"Local universities will also be be the destinations of Thomas Jefferson alumni: about 65 seniors will head to William and Mary next fall, the most in the past five years. But the number of students heading to the University of Virginia (86) is the lowest since 2009 and those enrolling at Virginia Tech (21) is the lowest since 2010."
For last year, the numbers were: 40 UVA, 19 W&M, 16 VT. Those are big drops.
The schools that have increased seem to be ones like Michigan (8), Pitt (15), CMU (10), Cornell (10), Purdue (10), Illinois (9), GT (7), Berkeley (6), Michigan (8), MIT (8), Harvard (7)
W&M is “local?”
That's the way the Post worded it. None of the 3 are really local. VT is the furthest, then W&M, then UVA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/tj-grads-headed-to-prestigious-colleges/2013/06/21/efe919a8-da82-11e2-9df4-895344c13c30_story.html
Anonymous
09/08/2020 17:27
Subject: Re:computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's not correct. 300+ still apply. The more recent change is that far fewer are admitted than in previous years.
Perhaps, but it seems like many more just prefer OOS destinations these days. From a Washington Post article from 2013:
"Local universities will also be be the destinations of Thomas Jefferson alumni: about 65 seniors will head to William and Mary next fall, the most in the past five years. But the number of students heading to the University of Virginia (86) is the lowest since 2009 and those enrolling at Virginia Tech (21) is the lowest since 2010."
For last year, the numbers were: 40 UVA, 19 W&M, 16 VT. Those are big drops.
The schools that have increased seem to be ones like Michigan (8), Pitt (15), CMU (10), Cornell (10), Purdue (10), Illinois (9), GT (7), Berkeley (6), Michigan (8), MIT (8), Harvard (7)
W&M is “local?”
Anonymous
09/08/2020 17:02
Subject: computer science at UVA
OP here.. Thanks for all the responses.
UVA is one of the schools on his list and like someone said, for the right kid the placements seems to be good. The discussions we are having is about which route - School of Engg. vs Arts/sciences. Same issue at most other schools.
UVA is one of the schools on his list and like someone said, for the right kid the placements seems to be good. The discussions we are having is about which route - School of Engg. vs Arts/sciences. Same issue at most other schools.
Anonymous
09/08/2020 17:00
Subject: Re:computer science at UVA
Anonymous wrote:That's not correct. 300+ still apply. The more recent change is that far fewer are admitted than in previous years.
Perhaps, but it seems like many more just prefer OOS destinations these days. From a Washington Post article from 2013:
"Local universities will also be be the destinations of Thomas Jefferson alumni: about 65 seniors will head to William and Mary next fall, the most in the past five years. But the number of students heading to the University of Virginia (86) is the lowest since 2009 and those enrolling at Virginia Tech (21) is the lowest since 2010."
For last year, the numbers were: 40 UVA, 19 W&M, 16 VT. Those are big drops.
The schools that have increased seem to be ones like Michigan (8), Pitt (15), CMU (10), Cornell (10), Purdue (10), Illinois (9), GT (7), Berkeley (6), Michigan (8), MIT (8), Harvard (7)
Anonymous
09/08/2020 16:53
Subject: computer science at UVA
some companies recruit different roles from different schools. Like one top company recruits CS grads from VT, UVA, and Penn. But the roles don’t overlap. They have strategy and management recruiters go to some school and software engineer recruiters go to others.