Anonymous
09/07/2020 23:14
Subject: Night weaning without sleep training, is it possible?
Anonymous wrote:OP here:
Baby is five months and 18 lbs. He is a great sleeper and able to connect sleep cycles, but he wakes up twice a night (every three hours) to eat plus a dream feed at 11ish. We and the ped agree he is capable of dropping the feeds and going all night, especially with a dream feed.
I was going to start Sleep Easy Sleep Solution to night wean, but that involves crying. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CIO. We did it for my first, who was a horrible sleeper and needed it.
My question is more...if I help him transfer these feeds to daytime will he start sleeping through them? Ferber says you can feed to sleep as long as it's not a problem. I guess I'm hoping someone will say "oh yeah I night weaned and baby started sleeping through". We will sleep train if the weaning doesn't work.
OP, I night weaned and my DS started sleeping through the night (he had been waking up 1-3 times a night). He was 12 months old though and I could tell he was eating for comfort and not out of hunger. Just wanted to throw a little good news your way regardless.
Anonymous
09/07/2020 23:14
Subject: Night weaning without sleep training, is it possible?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one has every answered this: for those of you who believe 20 minutes of crying for a few nights is cruel and leads to tour kid feeling like they've been abandoned...what do you do when they scream in the car seat and you have to go somewhere? Or do you just never go anywhere?
You comfort them by saying mommy is here. You can sing or hum. Provide toys and distraction. When we drove as a family, normally one of us would sit in the back. I made sure that thesubn wasn't in his eyes. And if it was I would.pull over and change the cover. If it gets bad enough then yes I would pull over.
I'm not really sure why you are comparing two events. We never put our kid screaming into the car that I can remember. Did he scream during car rides - yes. He has reflux and it was uncomfortable if it was too close to a feed or his pants were too tight. We learned what the triggers were and lessened the frequency.
Leaving to cry without any comfort at night in the dark for hours on end and providing limited comfort when trapped driving for x minutes are two very different things. If you cant see that then you are just twisting yourself to confirm your own decisions.
But this isn't always the case. Firstly, many MANY people sleep train without "hours" of crying, which is extreme. For most people, including many on this thread, it is 20 or so minutes for a few nights.
My kids both hated the car as a baby. Hated it to the point where they would scream and scream eighth tears streaming down their faces looking at me like how could you do this to me. They both cried much, much more in a car seat than while sleep training. But the point of a car seat is to keep them safe, much like the point of sleep training is to help them sleep. Children who don't get consolidated sleep are at risk for a host of issues, this is a scientifically proven fact. Children need consolidated sleep to grow and function. My point is that car seats and sleep training are both important enough to outweigh the risks of crying.
Anonymous
09/07/2020 23:09
Subject: Night weaning without sleep training, is it possible?
Anonymous wrote:No one has every answered this: for those of you who believe 20 minutes of crying for a few nights is cruel and leads to tour kid feeling like they've been abandoned...what do you do when they scream in the car seat and you have to go somewhere? Or do you just never go anywhere?
You comfort them by saying mommy is here. You can sing or hum. Provide toys and distraction. When we drove as a family, normally one of us would sit in the back. I made sure that thesubn wasn't in his eyes. And if it was I would.pull over and change the cover. If it gets bad enough then yes I would pull over.
I'm not really sure why you are comparing two events. We never put our kid screaming into the car that I can remember. Did he scream during car rides - yes. He has reflux and it was uncomfortable if it was too close to a feed or his pants were too tight. We learned what the triggers were and lessened the frequency.
Leaving to cry without any comfort at night in the dark for hours on end and providing limited comfort when trapped driving for x minutes are two very different things. If you cant see that then you are just twisting yourself to confirm your own decisions.
Anonymous
09/07/2020 22:53
Subject: Night weaning without sleep training, is it possible?
No one has every answered this: for those of you who believe 20 minutes of crying for a few nights is cruel and leads to tour kid feeling like they've been abandoned...what do you do when they scream in the car seat and you have to go somewhere? Or do you just never go anywhere?
Anonymous
09/07/2020 19:49
Subject: Night weaning without sleep training, is it possible?
I night weaned at 18 months while cosleeping. It was really hard but I was pregnant with my second and needed to stop the night nursing.
It was about 3 nights of intense crying. I just kept telling DD "when the sun goes to sleep, so does (word she used for nursing). We will nurse when the sun comes up". I remember hours of sitting in front of the open window counting cars and waiting for the sun to come up. But after one week it was much better, only woke up an average of once per night and could easily be comforted back to sleep with a snuggle. Now, at 5, she's no worse for the wear.
It was about 3 nights of intense crying. I just kept telling DD "when the sun goes to sleep, so does (word she used for nursing). We will nurse when the sun comes up". I remember hours of sitting in front of the open window counting cars and waiting for the sun to come up. But after one week it was much better, only woke up an average of once per night and could easily be comforted back to sleep with a snuggle. Now, at 5, she's no worse for the wear.
Anonymous
09/07/2020 19:36
Subject: Re:Night weaning without sleep training, is it possible?
Of course your kid cried less. You taught them that you wont respond when they cry. If you want to avoid crying and stress you could also just not have kids. You realize that all this " you people are shaming people sleep training" is f*** bogus. Sleep training is mainstream, formula feeding or combo feeding is still mainstream. Maybe the reason you feel shamed is because you feel shame inside.
You can always tell these people had good sleepers. So what would you do if your baby woke up every 45 minutes every night for months? For years?
You are wrong. Out of all the kids I know, my kid was the worst sleeper and was a horrible sleeper until 2-2.25. He still wakes up and comes into our bed at 2.5 between 1 and 4 in the morning. I dont care and I am surely not naive enough to think that leaving him in a room to cry by himself OR locking the door from the outside will "help" him. I dont think it "helps" at any age.
My baby had CMPI and reflux and an airway disorder. He couldnt sleep laying down until he was 1 years old. I wore a FitBit during this time and the most sleep I ever got in a row was 4 hours straight from the time he was born until he was 18 months. Each 2-3 months after that, I would gain an hour or so until now, at 2.5 he sleeps 10-11 hours along with a 2 hour nap.
Anonymous
09/07/2020 18:08
Subject: Re:Night weaning without sleep training, is it possible?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And that said, why not try everything possible before letting an infant cry?
You know, I'm going to trust the findings of actual scientists and the recommendations of my pediatrician over an internet rando.
And again, my kid cried LESS overall since I sleep trained. So if you want to avoid crying and stress, sleep training reduces that.
Of course your kid cried less. You taught them that you wont respond when they cry. If you want to avoid crying and stress you could also just not have kids. You realize that all this " you people are shaming people sleep training" is f*** bogus. Sleep training is mainstream, formula feeding or combo feeding is still mainstream. Maybe the reason you feel shamed is because you feel shame inside.
You can always tell these people had good sleepers. So what would you do if your baby woke up every 45 minutes every night for months? For years?
I would try to figure out why my baby was crying every 45 minutes first. NP here and I couldn’t do CIO but even if I could, I wouldn’t until after eight or nine months.