Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:18     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Anonymous wrote:APs will not be available at poor high schools.

As far as LD students, they may find (as a group) that they just bit off their nose to spite their face.


I agree. I think the achievement gap is going to increase even more. Think about it - who can afford college? Who can handle college? And who can excel by studying on their own?
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:15     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
How soon before a similar suit is made against private universities? And/or in other states?
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:15     Subject: Re:UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
This is a recession and a pandemic. People won't be able to afford colleges for their kids, colleges will not give need based scholarships and international students are not coming to the USA anymore. This can be a buyer's market for education, especially because of the hybrid education model.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:14     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UC's then should come to an agreement with cal state schools to offer testing seats for students who need accommodations.

Brilliant thought, actually. There's still time. They could make it happen if they really wanted to.


They really would have to partner with cal state because not all ca students live close enough to a UC. Once you include cal state schools, then they are within driving distance for almost all ca students.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:14     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
APs will not be available at poor high schools.

As far as LD students, they may find (as a group) that they just bit off their nose to spite their face.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:13     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
I’m so annoyed I can even type a response! Lol. -California parent
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:11     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
10 APs was the norm. Now it is going to be 15 or so. I can imagine everyone taking envio and human geography.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:10     Subject: Re:UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Take APs and score in 4s and 5s. CollegeBoard ends up doing well anyways.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:09     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Anonymous wrote:UC's then should come to an agreement with cal state schools to offer testing seats for students who need accommodations.

Brilliant thought, actually. There's still time. They could make it happen if they really wanted to.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:09     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.


Not really. Kids in magnet program or those taking higher level subjects and taking those exams - AP, IB and magnet, and doing well on the exams will stick out. Test optional will be useful for those kids whose GPA are not that great but they tested well on SAT/ACT, so those kids will be left floundering. URMs, B-students, Special Eds, low performing students...they all are going to find that they missed the boat. In fact the current 10,11 and 12th graders who did not have perfect earlier years in HS are also going to lose out. Because your C in Algebra in Freshman year will stick out.

Tiger cubs are probably the only ones ahead now.

Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:04     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
UC's then should come to an agreement with cal state schools to offer testing seats for students who need accommodations.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:02     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UC's cannot say an A from a private school is worth more than an A from an inner city public school. That would not be fair to the inner city student who is attending his or her neighborhood school. I don't know how UC's are going to base their decisions. there is rampant grade inflation particularly in upper middle class public schools.

They weight APs and honors courses, which tend to be much more available at the upper middle class school (public or private).

Grade inflation happens too, but that varies widely, with some rigorous privates actually being deflationary. (At least in the past, lol; I don't imagine that will last long.)


the smart poorer districts will start labeling more courses as honors. They may not have the resources to offer AP, but they can rename a course and weight GPAs accordingly

Yes, that's actually a good idea. Whether there are wise administrators in poor districts is hard to guess, but the idea makes sense to me.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 11:00     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UC's cannot say an A from a private school is worth more than an A from an inner city public school. That would not be fair to the inner city student who is attending his or her neighborhood school. I don't know how UC's are going to base their decisions. there is rampant grade inflation particularly in upper middle class public schools.

They weight APs and honors courses, which tend to be much more available at the upper middle class school (public or private).

Grade inflation happens too, but that varies widely, with some rigorous privates actually being deflationary. (At least in the past, lol; I don't imagine that will last long.)


the smart poorer districts will start labeling more courses as honors. They may not have the resources to offer AP, but they can rename a course and weight GPAs accordingly
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 10:58     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Anonymous wrote:UC's cannot say an A from a private school is worth more than an A from an inner city public school. That would not be fair to the inner city student who is attending his or her neighborhood school. I don't know how UC's are going to base their decisions. there is rampant grade inflation particularly in upper middle class public schools.

They weight APs and honors courses, which tend to be much more available at the upper middle class school (public or private).

Grade inflation happens too, but that varies widely, with some rigorous privates actually being deflationary. (At least in the past, lol; I don't imagine that will last long.)
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 10:56     Subject: UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

This will cause more colleges to require remedial classes to help students who got an "A" in English in HS but clearly can only write at a 5th grade level. Acceptances will become almost like a lottery, and admitting those students who cannot hack it in higher level institutions will hurt everyone.. These students should be going to community colleges for remedial classes, then transferring to 4 yr universities. By no means do I think that we should not help these kids, but pushing them into situations in which they are not prepared for is doing everyone a disservice.

They should replace the SATs with something else, like maybe a test like cogat or something.


If only admissions officers had a way to know who the good students are without needing a test score... something like knowledge of the schools and the trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations, plus their instincts, which would come with the many years of organizational and personal experience that clearly none of them have...

...oh well, I guess they are now doomed to admit entire classes of unworthy idiots while the truly worthy are denied!

/endsarcasm

You clearly don't know anything about schools in CA to make this statement.

Yes, they know which are "high achieving" schools. And they are mostly white/Asian.

" trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations" - as if guidance recommendations don't have bias.

"instincts" - as if that person who is reviewing the applications don't have any bias

Yes, if they do away with any type of measurable test scores, then what you will see is either more unqualified students attending or less URM being admitted. Look at what happened after Prop 209.