Anonymous
08/15/2020 16:39
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about the circle game?
What is the circle game?
Context is everything. I wouldn’t jump so quickly to the racism assumption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture
Pro tip: stop assuming the worst about others.
But things evolve and nobody plays that game anymore.
Just like the word gay doesn’t mean happy anymore.
Racist apologists everywhere.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 16:39
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My eight year old flashed this sign in a picture! I was shocked. He doesn't spend time online, so the only thing I could think of is that he picked it up from another kid, who picked it up online or from a sibling. To him, all he knew is that it was something funny/different/cool to do in a picture.
Even if this 12 year old did it on purpose, he's likely just doing it to be a jerk, not because he's a nazi or even racist. He may not even know what it means, just that it's transgressive.
Mine too! When I questioned him he said it waz the circle game. When I told him people use it to mean something else and told him what, he was very upset and insisted I was wrong because kids at recess were doing it and its fhe circle game. When adults do it, I assume they know better. With kids, give the benefit of doubt.
Truth. I started to try to explain it to my 8 year old, but then I stopped, because the explanation made so little sense that I was worried that it would just hurt my ability to have good conversations with him about actual race/gender/religious discrimination issues, and actual racial slurs like the n-word. I just left it as "you could get in trouble if you do that in a picture, and it hurts some people's feelings." Would be easier to explain to a teen. 12 seems like on the border.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 16:38
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The ok sign is not a white power sign to begin with. That was all a social media prank that OP has apparently fallen for. lmao
Even if it is a “hoax” it also seems to have been adopted as a white power sign by many people and groups - I don’t get what about this is funny.
Because they think they have owned the libs. It’s like the dweeb who laughs at his own jokes.
It is absolutely a symbol of the alt-right — the inside joke took on a life of its own.
That said I doubt a kid this young is that malicious or has racist intent.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 16:36
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about the circle game?
What is the circle game?
Context is everything. I wouldn’t jump so quickly to the racism assumption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture
Pro tip: stop assuming the worst about others.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 16:35
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Well, I’m indian and a woman. Back in the 80s, my friends and I saw someone make the vulgar sign of putting your finger between your fingers shaped like a v. We had no idea what it was and made the gesture at several passing cars! Imagine what the drivers must have thought! Kids often don’t know what they’re doing.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 16:33
Subject: Re:Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:PP’s post wasn’t “a bit of reach.” It was malicious and reflective of a bully’s mindset.
As was op’s response to pp
Anonymous
08/15/2020 16:28
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:My eight year old flashed this sign in a picture! I was shocked. He doesn't spend time online, so the only thing I could think of is that he picked it up from another kid, who picked it up online or from a sibling. To him, all he knew is that it was something funny/different/cool to do in a picture.
Even if this 12 year old did it on purpose, he's likely just doing it to be a jerk, not because he's a nazi or even racist. He may not even know what it means, just that it's transgressive.
Mine too! When I questioned him he said it waz the circle game. When I told him people use it to mean something else and told him what, he was very upset and insisted I was wrong because kids at recess were doing it and its fhe circle game. When adults do it, I assume they know better. With kids, give the benefit of doubt.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 15:29
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is the hand gesture?
I’m not a troll and I don’t know what baseball thing someone referred to. The gesture was making the ok sign, but with his arms at his side. This has been classified as a hate symbol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kutv.com/amp/news/offbeat/okay-hand-gesture-labeled-a-hate-symbol-by-anti-defamation-league
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/12/15/us/ok-sign-white-power.amp.html
I didn't even know
I would not interpret this so harshly. You need a white power march for it to be racist.
Most likely the kids didn't even know
The rest sounds like just regular kid squabbles when there is a new group.
Kids that age all struggle when placed with people they do not know
As someone that has friends who pledged as Kappas, this is horrible. As usual white supremacists have hatred, steal something well meaning and positive to the black community, and turn it into a fricking HATE symbol. And this little boy has ignorant parents that have him thinking this behavior is amusing. It’s dangerous.
kappa alpha psi hand sign
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kappa+alpha+psi+hand+sign&t=iphone&iax=images&ia=images
And by the way, everyone who has pledged knows you do not ever claim a fraternal order in any way if you are not a part of it.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 15:21
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:The ok sign is not a white power sign to begin with. That was all a social media prank that OP has apparently fallen for. lmao
Even if it is a “hoax” it also seems to have been adopted as a white power sign by many people and groups - I don’t get what about this is funny.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 15:18
Subject: Racist kids at camp
The ok sign is not a white power sign to begin with. That was all a social media prank that OP has apparently fallen for. lmao
Anonymous
08/15/2020 15:14
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:I agree, PP. OP and friends are making this much more than it is. The gesture and the bullying are the actions of a young, stupid kid. It’s nothing to be up in arms about. I would just talk to my child about the bullying, and ignore the silliness of the hand gesture.
Np - I disagree. If people don’t call out ignorance (if that’s what it is) and bullying that is what leads to more ignorance, bullying and hatred.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 14:55
Subject: Racist kids at camp
I agree, PP. OP and friends are making this much more than it is. The gesture and the bullying are the actions of a young, stupid kid. It’s nothing to be up in arms about. I would just talk to my child about the bullying, and ignore the silliness of the hand gesture.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 14:48
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Even if the kid didn’t really know what it means, he needs a stern conversation from his parents, explaining why it’s inappropriate.
Reminds me of a local teenager who spray painted a swastika on our neighborhood synagogue. He was easily caught by the security camera footage and when people sat down with him and explained why it’s such an awful thing to do, he started to cry and apologized.
Likewise, this kid almost certainly is just a dumb preteen and needs to be educated.
Sure, but there's no guarantee that his parents or even the camp director are going to educate him. That's not really OP's job either.
No, it is the responsibility of anyone to stand up to hate in whatever form it takes. Even ignorance needs to be called out and explained.
It’s not “hate.” It’s a stupid social media prank. The kid is not a nazi.
Anonymous
08/15/2020 14:15
Subject: Racist kids at camp
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is the hand gesture?
I’m not a troll and I don’t know what baseball thing someone referred to. The gesture was making the ok sign, but with his arms at his side. This has been classified as a hate symbol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kutv.com/amp/news/offbeat/okay-hand-gesture-labeled-a-hate-symbol-by-anti-defamation-league
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/12/15/us/ok-sign-white-power.amp.html
You know that’s a 4chan prank, right?
Anonymous
08/15/2020 13:40
Subject: Re:Racist kids at camp
PP’s post wasn’t “a bit of reach.” It was malicious and reflective of a bully’s mindset.