Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.

Ugh. People need to stop saying this. It’s not a real argument and it’s a slap in the face to every other person who is showing up to their jobs during the pandemic. Do you think my spouse wants to die? He has been showing up to work at the hospital every day since this pandemic. Do you really think he is going to work because he “wants to die”???? And his entire staff too?? They are coming to work because they want to die? Do you think that grocery checkout person is showing up to work every day because they want to die too?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kids will be in a more precarious situation than the teachers. They are more likely to spend extended amounts of time within close distance of each other than teachers are. No, kids aren’t as likely to get very sick, but they can still transmit it to their families.
Yer almost every survey shows most parents want schools to reopen while most teachers want them to reopen. Are we really to believe that teachers are just naturally more fearful than most other people? I’m a teacher, and I honestly believe that most teachers who are saying their too afraid to go back, really just want to work from home. I haven’t actually had a teacher confide that to me, but it’s just my suspicion. I don’t think that reflects poorly on them, most people working from home say they don’t want to go back, but why would larger numbers of teachers be more afraid of exposure to Covid than parents are?

If you are truly a teacher, then I weep! The grammatical errors!! I’m calling troll.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.

Ugh. People need to stop saying this. It’s not a real argument and it’s a slap in the face to every other person who is showing up to their jobs during the pandemic. Do you think my spouse wants to die? He has been showing up to work at the hospital every day since this pandemic. Do you really think he is going to work because he “wants to die”???? And his entire staff too?? They are coming to work because they want to die? Do you think that grocery checkout person is showing up to work every day because they want to die too?

Anonymous wrote:The kids will be in a more precarious situation than the teachers. They are more likely to spend extended amounts of time within close distance of each other than teachers are. No, kids aren’t as likely to get very sick, but they can still transmit it to their families.
Yer almost every survey shows most parents want schools to reopen while most teachers want them to reopen. Are we really to believe that teachers are just naturally more fearful than most other people? I’m a teacher, and I honestly believe that most teachers who are saying their too afraid to go back, really just want to work from home. I haven’t actually had a teacher confide that to me, but it’s just my suspicion. I don’t think that reflects poorly on them, most people working from home say they don’t want to go back, but why would larger numbers of teachers be more afraid of exposure to Covid than parents are?

Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My job is much harder to do at home. It’s hard enough to do at school. I live with my mom who is not in great health. So I’ll do much more work in order to keep her safe.

Ok, but parents are just as likely to have a vulnerable family member living with them, as teachers, yet survey after survey shows the vast majority of parents want schools to reopen and the vast majority of teachers want schools virtual. Since there is no reason to think teachers are more naturally cautious than the public at large, I think it’s safe to assume that there something else at play here

Anonymous wrote:Parent= I don't want them open. If the teachers get Covid, we get more subs and last year the subs were horrible. I don't feel safe with kids going back.

Anonymous wrote:“ 4) We've seen how the sausage is made.”

I think it is mostly this. Teachers know how the “nice on paper” plans will actually translate into the real world in their schools.

Anonymous wrote:Op...

My husband teaches 9th grade.

I'm high risk.

I don't want/need him bringing it home.

Your method is a little off.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.

Plus a million. You’re an idiot, op.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My job is much harder to do at home. It’s hard enough to do at school. I live with my mom who is not in great health. So I’ll do much more work in order to keep her safe.

Ok, but parents are just as likely to have a vulnerable family member living with them, as teachers, yet survey after survey shows the vast majority of parents want schools to reopen and the vast majority of teachers want schools virtual. Since there is no reason to think teachers are more naturally cautious than the public at large, I think it’s safe to assume that there something else at play here

The only survey data I've seen has been FCPS and MCPS. In both of those parents and teachers were both divided relatively close to 50/50, just in the opposite direction. Slightly more than 50% of parents chose hybrid, and slightly more than 50% of teachers chose DL, but there were no "vast majorities". There was enough of a difference that it was one factor complicating the hybrid model, but it wasn't a vast difference.

I think there are a few things here that account for the difference in selection rates.

1) Many teachers are parents. Given hybrid learning, I wonder if most parents, given the choice to work from home or to work from their work place, would choose the latter. I'm guessing not. So, some teachers are going to be motivated by the same thing, the need to provide safety and supervision for their own kids.

2) I'm not sure that it's true that teachers and parents are equally likely to have high risk family members. In my experience as a teacher, my colleagues are, on average, older than my students' parents.

3) I'm a teacher (although I have a position that is 100% DL for this year, in part because of 2 very high risk household members), but when I think about what the teachers at my school are being told, which is that they can quarantine/isolate once for themselves at full pay, and once for themselves or a kid at 2/3 pay, but beyond that they won't be paid unless they have saved leave. I have 3 school aged kids, and no saved leave as I'm returning from maternity leave. I can't imagine that if we all returned to school, I wouldn't have to quarantine at least once for each kid when there was an exposure in my class. So, knowing that I was choosing between getting paid all year, or almost certainly having leave at 2/3 pay and leave without pay, would weigh into my choice.

4) We've seen how the sausage is made. I'm a special ed teacher. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to teach my kids to follow social distancing protocols and keep their masks on. I also know that there will be times when kids will need hands on support, and that support will come from me, not peers. For example, I have students with CP who won't be able to adjust a droopy mask, or put it back on after eating, and that would fall to me if I was in the classroom. So, I'm not sure I agree with the logic that the kids are more likely to get it than I am. I also have zero confidence in my school's ability to keep bathrooms stocked with soap and paper towels, and to have ventilation systems that work, and other things, because I have years of memories of bringing my own soap to work, and dealing with vermin infestations, and having it be 100 degrees in my classroom in February to undermine my confidence.