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Anonymous wrote:I will never understand this all-or-nothing attitude about vegetarianism. Why can’t people eat less meat or almost none but not be so militant about it? Do they need the capital V Vegetarian label? Choose to not eat meat, don’t join a cult. If someone makes soup with chicken stock or someone puts jello in a dessert, eat it if you want to. If you try to live your life in such a moral black & white way, you will fail at every turn.

I am a life long vegetarian. I am raising my kid the same way because, like any other parenting decision, you want your kid to choose the healthier/ better choice.

I welcome your choice to limit your meat intake and not become a vegetarian, but how does my kinder choice make me 'militant'? The ones eating meat are responsible for terrorizing and slaughter of millions of animals. So maybe you should be asking yourself - why be so militant about food? When there are so many other options available in this day and age. I haven't tried to convert anyone to vegetarianism in my life, everyone gets to choose what they want, but since you asked - your food choice is taking away a life for every single meal you consume. So get off your high horse!

What is this moral black and white you are talking about?? Is little bit of racism ok, how about a tiny amount of sexism? Or, you think its ok to just assault someone as long as you are not raping or killing them?? coz black & white way yo!

Wow. Firstly, humans evolved to eat meat. Secondly, tons of field mice are killed when vegetables are harvested. In your world view, are their lives less meaningful than a pig or a cow?

Lol! The same old excuses! We also used to live in huts and jungles and cook using fire pits and guess what else - no internet, or suburban housing or branded clothes or modern medicine either When are you planning on going back to that? Huh?

It’s time to evolve and be kind to Earth and our fellow beings. I am not asking you to change anything about your lifestyle, go ahead and continue to carry on the cycle. But you don’t have any logical legs to justify it. Atleast be aware of the environmental and humane cost of it before you come and argue about it. As for the field mice - I’d repeat, please go ahead and educate yourself and compare the impact of factory farmed animals vs crops.

That’ll be the real ‘wow’ moment. And please, you can keep your fake ‘sadly’ for the mice to yourself. As if you really care!

You know not everyone eats factory farmed meat, right? I don’t eat much meat, but when I do it’s because DH went to the farmer’s market and bought something from a small local farm where the animals are well cared for and humanely killed.

PP, do you eat almonds farmed in California? Drink almond milk? Ever eat a banana? Or heaven forbid an apple in the spring? Do you fly on airplanes? Do you have a pet? Have you ever been to a zoo? Ever eat something with palm oil or even just sugar? Do you drink coffee? Your moral rigidity is not doing you any favors because now if you’re guilty of any of these things, you are making decisions that harm the environment. And personally, I think killing thousands of animals and hurting the health of millions of humans because thousands of acres of rainforest were destroyed for your “plant-based” diet is worse than killing one cow in West Virginia. That pair of jeans you got from H&M? Well the dye they used is destroying the oceans and killing marine life. Have you ever used a plastic straw? (Good lord!) The fact of your very existence is harmful to animals. Slap yourself on the back for not eating animals, but judging others when you are just as guilty of moral transgressions is disgusting.

And I am sure you do each and every thing that that you listed too. So, all that on top of meat & other animal products. You do the math! I get life is hard and being plant based in one more thing to deal with on top of all our problems. We can’t live while doing zero harm, but we sure can try to minimize the damage we do.

All of us on this post are really privatized and among the top few percentages in the world. A middle class person here lives like a king compared to a large part of human population around the world. And those poor people are the ones that don’t get to enjoy the benefits of this age of over-consumption but surely are the first ones to face the damages. Same for the animals too, their habitats are being destroyed every day. We think those things will never reach us and we are safe in our bubble. But someday it will, if not us then our children. We worry so much about our kids, and every small need that they have. What about the children everywhere? What about the small baby animals that are snatched away from their mothers and slaughtered? It’s all very heavy and it’s difficult to change. You don’t have to give up all your meat but please atleast open your mind. And the rest will follow.

recognize your privilege.

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PP, do you eat almonds farmed in California? Drink almond milk? Ever eat a banana? Or heaven forbid an apple in the spring? Do you fly on airplanes? Do you have a pet? Have you ever been to a zoo? Ever eat something with palm oil or even just sugar? Do you drink coffee? Your moral rigidity is not doing you any favors because now if you’re guilty of any of these things, you are making decisions that harm the environment. And personally, I think killing thousands of animals and hurting the health of millions of humans because thousands of acres of rainforest were destroyed for your “plant-based” diet is worse than killing one cow in West Virginia. That pair of jeans you got from H&M? Well the dye they used is destroying the oceans and killing marine life. Have you ever used a plastic straw? (Good lord!) The fact of your very existence is harmful to animals. Slap yourself on the back for not eating animals, but judging others when you are just as guilty of moral transgressions is disgusting.

i see this stupid counter-argument all the time. i didn't become a vegan for the environment. i became one because the thought of eating animals (and the fear and pain they go through) disgusts me. people try to justify eating meat by going on weird rants about the environment and consumption. yeah, you're so superior to vegans/vegetarians because you can list out all the terrible things humans do to the environment.

killing a healthy animal is never "humane," no matter how much some cute little farm tells you that the animals have such beautiful little lives before dying peacefully. it's gross.

lol "humanely killed"

Many people conflate these two things: effect on environment and the actual act of killing an animal. I get when people say they don't eat factory meat/only eat local. It is better for the environment and commendable. But it's never "humane" to kill an animal. Don't delude yourself.


For the record- I'm (almost) a lifelong vegetarian, and I will say it is almost "easy" to be a vegetarian these days! I became a vegetarian when I was 12, and I did feel left out sometimes, but it was important to me and continues to be.

^^And for someone claiming to be ethical meat eater you seem to have no empathy to suffering of billions of slaughterhouse pigs. So it’s going to be peppa pig vs pepperoni pizza until all that cruelty goes away

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a lifelong vegetarian. My son was veg until 5 when someone offered him pepperoni pizza. He hasn't looked back since and its been 5 years. He knows what meat is, because we've always been very matter of fact about it. He made a choice and its ok.

My advice is to ok w/whatever your kid chooses to do regarding meat / dairy.

Similar thing happened to us but I told my son he was eating Peppa pig's family That put a quick stop to the pepperoni pizza eating. I don't think little kids really understand what meat is and where it comes from unless you grow up in a farm or something.

This is so cruel, and I feel bad for your children. I take my kid to a farm, he puts two and two together that the chicken he's looking at "is like the chicken we eat for dinner" and I just say yes. It's up to him whether he wants to keep eating it, anything more than that simple "yes" is brainwashing/borderline child abuse. Just wait until your kid is old enough to understand what you're doing/what you've done.

Not the previous poster, but LOL! Talk about some cognitive dissonance. You think a kid eating plant-based is cruel, what do think happens in slaughterhouses?

Trumpers who teach their kids hate, that's exactly the logic they use. I, me, mine before all. My taste-buds before lives. My protein has be easy and cheap. I am not going to change blah..blah..blah!

No, the point was that it's cruel to say you're eating peppa pig's family. Just say you're eating that pig you saw at the farm. It's the peppa pig family part that's cruel, but congrats to you for finding a way to mention trump, I guess.

NP here and you do you PP but try not to be a hypocrite with your cruelty spiel unless you are actually eating the humanely raised pig you saw at the farm. Not many people get to interact with live pigs in a farm. For most families the meat aisle and on tv is going to be the closest thing.

I actually do; I live in new england. Farms abound. Some of us meat eaters are actually conscious of the terrible system you all preach against, but also see supporting local farmers as a way to eat meat without contributing to said system.

That’s very kind of you. But you do realize that pp was referring to commercial meat which most Americans consume? Now I wouldn’t be surprised either if you say the pepperoni in your pizza came from that farm raised pig

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a lifelong vegetarian. My son was veg until 5 when someone offered him pepperoni pizza. He hasn't looked back since and its been 5 years. He knows what meat is, because we've always been very matter of fact about it. He made a choice and its ok.

My advice is to ok w/whatever your kid chooses to do regarding meat / dairy.

Similar thing happened to us but I told my son he was eating Peppa pig's family That put a quick stop to the pepperoni pizza eating. I don't think little kids really understand what meat is and where it comes from unless you grow up in a farm or something.

This is so cruel, and I feel bad for your children. I take my kid to a farm, he puts two and two together that the chicken he's looking at "is like the chicken we eat for dinner" and I just say yes. It's up to him whether he wants to keep eating it, anything more than that simple "yes" is brainwashing/borderline child abuse. Just wait until your kid is old enough to understand what you're doing/what you've done.

Not the previous poster, but LOL! Talk about some cognitive dissonance. You think a kid eating plant-based is cruel, what do think happens in slaughterhouses?

Trumpers who teach their kids hate, that's exactly the logic they use. I, me, mine before all. My taste-buds before lives. My protein has be easy and cheap. I am not going to change blah..blah..blah!

No, the point was that it's cruel to say you're eating peppa pig's family. Just say you're eating that pig you saw at the farm. It's the peppa pig family part that's cruel, but congrats to you for finding a way to mention trump, I guess.

NP here and you do you PP but try not to be a hypocrite with your cruelty spiel unless you are actually eating the humanely raised pig you saw at the farm. Not many people get to interact with live pigs in a farm. For most families the meat aisle and on tv is going to be the closest thing.

I actually do; I live in new england. Farms abound. Some of us meat eaters are actually conscious of the terrible system you all preach against, but also see supporting local farmers as a way to eat meat without contributing to said system.

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Anonymous wrote:I will never understand this all-or-nothing attitude about vegetarianism. Why can’t people eat less meat or almost none but not be so militant about it? Do they need the capital V Vegetarian label? Choose to not eat meat, don’t join a cult. If someone makes soup with chicken stock or someone puts jello in a dessert, eat it if you want to. If you try to live your life in such a moral black & white way, you will fail at every turn.

I am a life long vegetarian. I am raising my kid the same way because, like any other parenting decision, you want your kid to choose the healthier/ better choice.

I welcome your choice to limit your meat intake and not become a vegetarian, but how does my kinder choice make me 'militant'? The ones eating meat are responsible for terrorizing and slaughter of millions of animals. So maybe you should be asking yourself - why be so militant about food? When there are so many other options available in this day and age. I haven't tried to convert anyone to vegetarianism in my life, everyone gets to choose what they want, but since you asked - your food choice is taking away a life for every single meal you consume. So get off your high horse!

What is this moral black and white you are talking about?? Is little bit of racism ok, how about a tiny amount of sexism? Or, you think its ok to just assault someone as long as you are not raping or killing them?? coz black & white way yo!

Wow. Firstly, humans evolved to eat meat. Secondly, tons of field mice are killed when vegetables are harvested. In your world view, are their lives less meaningful than a pig or a cow?

Lol! The same old excuses! We also used to live in huts and jungles and cook using fire pits and guess what else - no internet, or suburban housing or branded clothes or modern medicine either When are you planning on going back to that? Huh?

It’s time to evolve and be kind to Earth and our fellow beings. I am not asking you to change anything about your lifestyle, go ahead and continue to carry on the cycle. But you don’t have any logical legs to justify it. Atleast be aware of the environmental and humane cost of it before you come and argue about it. As for the field mice - I’d repeat, please go ahead and educate yourself and compare the impact of factory farmed animals vs crops.

That’ll be the real ‘wow’ moment. And please, you can keep your fake ‘sadly’ for the mice to yourself. As if you really care!

You know not everyone eats factory farmed meat, right? I don’t eat much meat, but when I do it’s because DH went to the farmer’s market and bought something from a small local farm where the animals are well cared for and humanely killed.

PP, do you eat almonds farmed in California? Drink almond milk? Ever eat a banana? Or heaven forbid an apple in the spring? Do you fly on airplanes? Do you have a pet? Have you ever been to a zoo? Ever eat something with palm oil or even just sugar? Do you drink coffee? Your moral rigidity is not doing you any favors because now if you’re guilty of any of these things, you are making decisions that harm the environment. And personally, I think killing thousands of animals and hurting the health of millions of humans because thousands of acres of rainforest were destroyed for your “plant-based” diet is worse than killing one cow in West Virginia. That pair of jeans you got from H&M? Well the dye they used is destroying the oceans and killing marine life. Have you ever used a plastic straw? (Good lord!) The fact of your very existence is harmful to animals. Slap yourself on the back for not eating animals, but judging others when you are just as guilty of moral transgressions is disgusting.

No animal is humanely killed. The term kill is murder. And, its never humane.

Humanely killed LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:I will never understand this all-or-nothing attitude about vegetarianism. Why can’t people eat less meat or almost none but not be so militant about it? Do they need the capital V Vegetarian label? Choose to not eat meat, don’t join a cult. If someone makes soup with chicken stock or someone puts jello in a dessert, eat it if you want to. If you try to live your life in such a moral black & white way, you will fail at every turn.

I am a life long vegetarian. I am raising my kid the same way because, like any other parenting decision, you want your kid to choose the healthier/ better choice.

I welcome your choice to limit your meat intake and not become a vegetarian, but how does my kinder choice make me 'militant'? The ones eating meat are responsible for terrorizing and slaughter of millions of animals. So maybe you should be asking yourself - why be so militant about food? When there are so many other options available in this day and age. I haven't tried to convert anyone to vegetarianism in my life, everyone gets to choose what they want, but since you asked - your food choice is taking away a life for every single meal you consume. So get off your high horse!

What is this moral black and white you are talking about?? Is little bit of racism ok, how about a tiny amount of sexism? Or, you think its ok to just assault someone as long as you are not raping or killing them?? coz black & white way yo!

Wow. Firstly, humans evolved to eat meat. Secondly, tons of field mice are killed when vegetables are harvested. In your world view, are their lives less meaningful than a pig or a cow?

Lol! The same old excuses! We also used to live in huts and jungles and cook using fire pits and guess what else - no internet, or suburban housing or branded clothes or modern medicine either When are you planning on going back to that? Huh?

It’s time to evolve and be kind to Earth and our fellow beings. I am not asking you to change anything about your lifestyle, go ahead and continue to carry on the cycle. But you don’t have any logical legs to justify it. Atleast be aware of the environmental and humane cost of it before you come and argue about it. As for the field mice - I’d repeat, please go ahead and educate yourself and compare the impact of factory farmed animals vs crops.

That’ll be the real ‘wow’ moment. And please, you can keep your fake ‘sadly’ for the mice to yourself. As if you really care!

You know not everyone eats factory farmed meat, right? I don’t eat much meat, but when I do it’s because DH went to the farmer’s market and bought something from a small local farm where the animals are well cared for and humanely killed.

PP, do you eat almonds farmed in California? Drink almond milk? Ever eat a banana? Or heaven forbid an apple in the spring? Do you fly on airplanes? Do you have a pet? Have you ever been to a zoo? Ever eat something with palm oil or even just sugar? Do you drink coffee? Your moral rigidity is not doing you any favors because now if you’re guilty of any of these things, you are making decisions that harm the environment. And personally, I think killing thousands of animals and hurting the health of millions of humans because thousands of acres of rainforest were destroyed for your “plant-based” diet is worse than killing one cow in West Virginia. That pair of jeans you got from H&M? Well the dye they used is destroying the oceans and killing marine life. Have you ever used a plastic straw? (Good lord!) The fact of your very existence is harmful to animals. Slap yourself on the back for not eating animals, but judging others when you are just as guilty of moral transgressions is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a lifelong vegetarian. My son was veg until 5 when someone offered him pepperoni pizza. He hasn't looked back since and its been 5 years. He knows what meat is, because we've always been very matter of fact about it. He made a choice and its ok.

My advice is to ok w/whatever your kid chooses to do regarding meat / dairy.

Similar thing happened to us but I told my son he was eating Peppa pig's family That put a quick stop to the pepperoni pizza eating. I don't think little kids really understand what meat is and where it comes from unless you grow up in a farm or something.

This is so cruel, and I feel bad for your children. I take my kid to a farm, he puts two and two together that the chicken he's looking at "is like the chicken we eat for dinner" and I just say yes. It's up to him whether he wants to keep eating it, anything more than that simple "yes" is brainwashing/borderline child abuse. Just wait until your kid is old enough to understand what you're doing/what you've done.

Not the previous poster, but LOL! Talk about some cognitive dissonance. You think a kid eating plant-based is cruel, what do think happens in slaughterhouses?

Trumpers who teach their kids hate, that's exactly the logic they use. I, me, mine before all. My taste-buds before lives. My protein has be easy and cheap. I am not going to change blah..blah..blah!

No, the point was that it's cruel to say you're eating peppa pig's family. Just say you're eating that pig you saw at the farm. It's the peppa pig family part that's cruel, but congrats to you for finding a way to mention trump, I guess.

NP here and you do you PP but try not to be a hypocrite with your cruelty spiel unless you are actually eating the humanely raised pig you saw at the farm. Not many people get to interact with live pigs in a farm. For most families the meat aisle and on tv is going to be the closest thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a lifelong vegetarian. My son was veg until 5 when someone offered him pepperoni pizza. He hasn't looked back since and its been 5 years. He knows what meat is, because we've always been very matter of fact about it. He made a choice and its ok.

My advice is to ok w/whatever your kid chooses to do regarding meat / dairy.

Similar thing happened to us but I told my son he was eating Peppa pig's family That put a quick stop to the pepperoni pizza eating. I don't think little kids really understand what meat is and where it comes from unless you grow up in a farm or something.

This is so cruel, and I feel bad for your children. I take my kid to a farm, he puts two and two together that the chicken he's looking at "is like the chicken we eat for dinner" and I just say yes. It's up to him whether he wants to keep eating it, anything more than that simple "yes" is brainwashing/borderline child abuse. Just wait until your kid is old enough to understand what you're doing/what you've done.

Not the previous poster, but LOL! Talk about some cognitive dissonance. You think a kid eating plant-based is cruel, what do think happens in slaughterhouses?

Trumpers who teach their kids hate, that's exactly the logic they use. I, me, mine before all. My taste-buds before lives. My protein has be easy and cheap. I am not going to change blah..blah..blah!

No, the point was that it's cruel to say you're eating peppa pig's family. Just say you're eating that pig you saw at the farm. It's the peppa pig family part that's cruel, but congrats to you for finding a way to mention trump, I guess.

Anonymous wrote:I eat plant-based and my husband eats meat. We gave our dd the option to eat what she wants and she's a vegetarian.

I find it astonishing how defensive some people are about others not wanting to eat animals, good grief. And for everyone ready to jump on me about how I really should consider it - no thanks.

I grew up being fed animals that my parents raised on our farm and hunted in our woods. When I was in elementary school I told my parents I wasn't going to eat meat anymore and they were baffled but supportive. I've seen the looks on their faces right before they are about to be slaughtered as humanely as could be asked, and they are terrified. I've felt the love and gentleness of their personalities.

So no, I get it. I can't make the choice for others not to eat them, but it's pretty stupid to assume that not eating meat isn't a well-considered choice for other people. Thank goodness I have plenty of wholesome and delicious things to eat instead.

Oh - but to answer the OP. My dd likes being a vegetarian and it hasn't negatively affected her. She's healthy and athletic, does well academically, and there's plenty of choices when we dine out or travel. She is a deeply compassionate and kind person and I think that considering the lives of others is probably a part of that.

I eat plant-based and my husband eats meat. We gave our dd the option to eat what she wants and she's a vegetarian.

I find it astonishing how defensive some people are about others not wanting to eat animals, good grief. And for everyone ready to jump on me about how I really should consider it - no thanks.

I grew up being fed animals that my parents raised on our farm and hunted in our woods. When I was in elementary school I told my parents I wasn't going to eat meat anymore and they were baffled but supportive. I've seen the looks on their faces right before they are about to be slaughtered as humanely as could be asked, and they are terrified. I've felt the love and gentleness of their personalities.

So no, I get it. I can't make the choice for others not to eat them, but it's pretty stupid to assume that not eating meat isn't a well-considered choice for other people. Thank goodness I have plenty of wholesome and delicious things to eat instead.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a lifelong vegetarian. My son was veg until 5 when someone offered him pepperoni pizza. He hasn't looked back since and its been 5 years. He knows what meat is, because we've always been very matter of fact about it. He made a choice and its ok.

My advice is to ok w/whatever your kid chooses to do regarding meat / dairy.

Similar thing happened to us but I told my son he was eating Peppa pig's family That put a quick stop to the pepperoni pizza eating. I don't think little kids really understand what meat is and where it comes from unless you grow up in a farm or something.

This is so cruel, and I feel bad for your children. I take my kid to a farm, he puts two and two together that the chicken he's looking at "is like the chicken we eat for dinner" and I just say yes. It's up to him whether he wants to keep eating it, anything more than that simple "yes" is brainwashing/borderline child abuse. Just wait until your kid is old enough to understand what you're doing/what you've done.

Not the previous poster, but LOL! Talk about some cognitive dissonance. You think a kid eating plant-based is cruel, what do think happens in slaughterhouses?

Trumpers who teach their kids hate, that's exactly the logic they use. I, me, mine before all. My taste-buds before lives. My protein has be easy and cheap. I am not going to change blah..blah..blah!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a lifelong vegetarian. My son was veg until 5 when someone offered him pepperoni pizza. He hasn't looked back since and its been 5 years. He knows what meat is, because we've always been very matter of fact about it. He made a choice and its ok.

My advice is to ok w/whatever your kid chooses to do regarding meat / dairy.

Similar thing happened to us but I told my son he was eating Peppa pig's family That put a quick stop to the pepperoni pizza eating. I don't think little kids really understand what meat is and where it comes from unless you grow up in a farm or something.

This is so cruel, and I feel bad for your children. I take my kid to a farm, he puts two and two together that the chicken he's looking at "is like the chicken we eat for dinner" and I just say yes. It's up to him whether he wants to keep eating it, anything more than that simple "yes" is brainwashing/borderline child abuse. Just wait until your kid is old enough to understand what you're doing/what you've done.