Anonymous
07/19/2020 10:07
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I completely agree with the covid shutdowns, in order to save the vulnerable, especially the elderly. But it's an observed fact that covid is less risky for children than normal flu. Here's a link to a May 5 analysis.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-07/comparing-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-with-flu-driving-fatalities
Quote: "For children, the risk of dying from Covid-19 appears to be much less than that of dying from influenza and pneumonia even in the most pessimistic of my three scenarios. From age 15 onward the Covid risk is higher, with the relative difference peaking for those in the 45 through 54 age group, whose risk of dying from Covid-19 in my middle scenario is four and a half times higher than their influenza and pneumonia mortality rate in 2018."
Covid is serious, but less so for children. If you have credible data about long term complications, please post it.
And in the 3 months since that article they have figured out that even those without symptoms can get serious lung damage
Please show me evidence. I seriously would like to see it.
"X-rays have revealed the virus can cause lung damage even in people without severe symptoms, she said.
“They are seeing there is damage to the lungs in these asymptomatic children. ... We don’t know how that is going to manifest a year from now or two years from now,” Alonso said. “Is that child going to have chronic pulmonary problems or not?”"
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-pbc-health-director-covid-children-20200714-xcdall2tsrd4riim2nwokvmsxm-story.html
Dr. Alonzo did NOT say that the children with lung damage weren't healing. If she had such evidence, my guess is she would have stated it.
Actually we do know that children with covid are recovering from the lung damage. Here's an Italian study that followed 8 cases of children with covid. All recovered and all had lungs that healed.
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/1/e20201157
"In the 7 children with pathologic ultrasound imaging at baseline, LUS was repeated before discharge and revealed improvement or resolution..."
"One patient with severe clinical type was repeatedly examined with LUS on alternate days, and we noted a B-lines bilateral pattern reduction a day in advance before clinical and radiographic improvement."
Anonymous
07/19/2020 08:40
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought the subject was going to be concerned for kids because of lack of school and social activities.
Same here, I read children have gained an average of 7 pounds since March, that’s a lot of weight for a small body over such a short period of time.
This is the parents’ fault.
How?
Everything is closed so kids can't get the exercise they need. Sure, they can go on walks, but that's not anywhere near the same as playing on the playground, running around, etc. Plus. the presence of other kids is what spurs activity - most kids won't run for long periods of time on their own, but will play tag, sports, etc for long periods of time.
The only option would be calorie restriction, which is NOT healthy for developing children.
Is your street closed? We live in a DC townhome so not a large outdoor space. Kids can ride their bikes on the sidewalk, jump on the small trampoline, shoot hoops in the back, use the pogo stick or join me on a jog. None of those work for your kid? Let them set up an obstacle course or use the chairs as barriers and have a pretend nerf gun war or put up sheets and let them run around under them like fairies or whatever works for them. Be creative. Now is the perfect time to teach kids about individual fitness.
+1 Kids don’t run around at recess in high school and college but they still need just as much exercise. Now is a great opportunity.
Anonymous
07/19/2020 08:04
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought the subject was going to be concerned for kids because of lack of school and social activities.
Same here, I read children have gained an average of 7 pounds since March, that’s a lot of weight for a small body over such a short period of time.
This is the parents’ fault.
How?
Everything is closed so kids can't get the exercise they need. Sure, they can go on walks, but that's not anywhere near the same as playing on the playground, running around, etc. Plus. the presence of other kids is what spurs activity - most kids won't run for long periods of time on their own, but will play tag, sports, etc for long periods of time.
The only option would be calorie restriction, which is NOT healthy for developing children.
Is your street closed? We live in a DC townhome so not a large outdoor space. Kids can ride their bikes on the sidewalk, jump on the small trampoline, shoot hoops in the back, use the pogo stick or join me on a jog. None of those work for your kid? Let them set up an obstacle course or use the chairs as barriers and have a pretend nerf gun war or put up sheets and let them run around under them like fairies or whatever works for them. Be creative. Now is the perfect time to teach kids about individual fitness.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 19:52
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought the subject was going to be concerned for kids because of lack of school and social activities.
Same here, I read children have gained an average of 7 pounds since March, that’s a lot of weight for a small body over such a short period of time.
This is the parents’ fault.
Well if both parents have to work-- or a single parent has to work-- they need a sympathetic employer. Otherwise, for many living hand to mouth without an extra several hundred per week for full time babysitting, the kids will be not just fat but poor, too.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 19:48
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Damaged lungs is a real concern
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are
There’s a lot of conjecture and no proof. The elusive “they say...”
There isn’t one study that has been released showing asymptomatic children have suffered lung damage.
"No studies showing..." does not mean there will be no lung damage. It was late Feb/early March before this was even on the radar for most of the country. It's not possible to have anything showing conclusively what the long term health consequences will be to anyone.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 19:11
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I completely agree with the covid shutdowns, in order to save the vulnerable, especially the elderly. But it's an observed fact that covid is less risky for children than normal flu. Here's a link to a May 5 analysis.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-07/comparing-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-with-flu-driving-fatalities
Quote: "For children, the risk of dying from Covid-19 appears to be much less than that of dying from influenza and pneumonia even in the most pessimistic of my three scenarios. From age 15 onward the Covid risk is higher, with the relative difference peaking for those in the 45 through 54 age group, whose risk of dying from Covid-19 in my middle scenario is four and a half times higher than their influenza and pneumonia mortality rate in 2018."
Covid is serious, but less so for children. If you have credible data about long term complications, please post it.
New poster. Even if children 100 percent ONLY had the mildest of cases and there were no child deaths or serious complications in children, they still would be able to transmit the virus to adults.
That alone is reason enough to keep schools closed until control of the virus is far, far better.
If you're keeping up, this point is being questioned now. No, schools should not be closed - they should reopen as soon and as regularly as possible.
I’ve read those studies and they are junk. They are based on interviews of people who got sick, and it appears that very few of thrm caught it from kids. Which is not surprising given that with the shutdowns, kids have had limited exposure and most people getting sick are getting it at work, or from parties. I happen to know 2 people who got it from their lids when it was spreading in NYC before schools shut down. There is no scientific reason why kids would not spread it, although they may be less effective spreaders if they are not as sick and have a low viral load. But studies of adults have shown that even some asymptomatic people can have high viral loads, which may also be true of kids. They just have not studied it.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 17:53
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I completely agree with the covid shutdowns, in order to save the vulnerable, especially the elderly. But it's an observed fact that covid is less risky for children than normal flu. Here's a link to a May 5 analysis.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-07/comparing-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-with-flu-driving-fatalities
Quote: "For children, the risk of dying from Covid-19 appears to be much less than that of dying from influenza and pneumonia even in the most pessimistic of my three scenarios. From age 15 onward the Covid risk is higher, with the relative difference peaking for those in the 45 through 54 age group, whose risk of dying from Covid-19 in my middle scenario is four and a half times higher than their influenza and pneumonia mortality rate in 2018."
Covid is serious, but less so for children. If you have credible data about long term complications, please post it.
And in the 3 months since that article they have figured out that even those without symptoms can get serious lung damage
Please show me evidence. I seriously would like to see it.
"X-rays have revealed the virus can cause lung damage even in people without severe symptoms, she said.
“They are seeing there is damage to the lungs in these asymptomatic children. ... We don’t know how that is going to manifest a year from now or two years from now,” Alonso said. “Is that child going to have chronic pulmonary problems or not?”"
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-pbc-health-director-covid-children-20200714-xcdall2tsrd4riim2nwokvmsxm-story.html
This is not unique to children. There was a big article about how people were presenting to the Er with serious pneumonia (which is a big reason why they were dying) because somehow covid masks the physical symptoms of hypoxia. Anyone with a cold should be checking their blood oxygenation level to deal with that.
It is not surprising that a limited number of kids are experiencing the same symptom/result that many adults are facing. That doesn’t change the fact that since the whole world is essentially a walking experiment, kids seem relatively (key word there, relatively as in relative to adults and relative to children getting the flu) spared
Anonymous
07/18/2020 17:27
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I completely agree with the covid shutdowns, in order to save the vulnerable, especially the elderly. But it's an observed fact that covid is less risky for children than normal flu. Here's a link to a May 5 analysis.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-07/comparing-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-with-flu-driving-fatalities
Quote: "For children, the risk of dying from Covid-19 appears to be much less than that of dying from influenza and pneumonia even in the most pessimistic of my three scenarios. From age 15 onward the Covid risk is higher, with the relative difference peaking for those in the 45 through 54 age group, whose risk of dying from Covid-19 in my middle scenario is four and a half times higher than their influenza and pneumonia mortality rate in 2018."
Covid is serious, but less so for children. If you have credible data about long term complications, please post it.
New poster. Even if children 100 percent ONLY had the mildest of cases and there were no child deaths or serious complications in children, they still would be able to transmit the virus to adults.
That alone is reason enough to keep schools closed until control of the virus is far, far better.
If you're keeping up, this point is being questioned now. No, schools should not be closed - they should reopen as soon and as regularly as possible.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 17:24
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I completely agree with the covid shutdowns, in order to save the vulnerable, especially the elderly. But it's an observed fact that covid is less risky for children than normal flu. Here's a link to a May 5 analysis.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-07/comparing-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-with-flu-driving-fatalities
Quote: "For children, the risk of dying from Covid-19 appears to be much less than that of dying from influenza and pneumonia even in the most pessimistic of my three scenarios. From age 15 onward the Covid risk is higher, with the relative difference peaking for those in the 45 through 54 age group, whose risk of dying from Covid-19 in my middle scenario is four and a half times higher than their influenza and pneumonia mortality rate in 2018."
Covid is serious, but less so for children. If you have credible data about long term complications, please post it.
And in the 3 months since that article they have figured out that even those without symptoms can get serious lung damage
Please show me evidence. I seriously would like to see it.
"X-rays have revealed the virus can cause lung damage even in people without severe symptoms, she said.
“They are seeing there is damage to the lungs in these asymptomatic children. ... We don’t know how that is going to manifest a year from now or two years from now,” Alonso said. “Is that child going to have chronic pulmonary problems or not?”"
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-pbc-health-director-covid-children-20200714-xcdall2tsrd4riim2nwokvmsxm-story.html
Anonymous
07/18/2020 17:21
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:I completely agree with the covid shutdowns, in order to save the vulnerable, especially the elderly. But it's an observed fact that covid is less risky for children than normal flu. Here's a link to a May 5 analysis.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-07/comparing-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-with-flu-driving-fatalities
Quote: "For children, the risk of dying from Covid-19 appears to be much less than that of dying from influenza and pneumonia even in the most pessimistic of my three scenarios. From age 15 onward the Covid risk is higher, with the relative difference peaking for those in the 45 through 54 age group, whose risk of dying from Covid-19 in my middle scenario is four and a half times higher than their influenza and pneumonia mortality rate in 2018."
Covid is serious, but less so for children. If you have credible data about long term complications, please post it.
New poster. Even if children 100 percent ONLY had the mildest of cases and there were no child deaths or serious complications in children, they still would be able to transmit the virus to adults.
That alone is reason enough to keep schools closed until control of the virus is far, far better.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 17:10
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Damaged lungs is a real concern
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/507442-almost-one-third-of-florida-children-tested-are
There’s a lot of conjecture and no proof. The elusive “they say...”
There isn’t one study that has been released showing asymptomatic children have suffered lung damage.
You think the Trump administration is going to fund that?
Most studies are not funded by the US government.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 16:36
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought the subject was going to be concerned for kids because of lack of school and social activities.
Same here, I read children have gained an average of 7 pounds since March, that’s a lot of weight for a small body over such a short period of time.
This is the parents’ fault.
+10000 But still...how can it be he parents' fault? Apparently it has become common knowledge that the schools and the government are responsible for everything and parents no longer are. People on other threads would even risk their kids getting COVID because the schools are necessary for preventing child abuse.
Maybe if this mindset would shift, people wouldn't need the schools to keep their kids healthy, not fat, socialized, safe from abuse, etc. This is an opportunity for people to develop personal responsibility again and to become examples to others. Because in the end, that is the root cause of most of society's ills. It's time for people to grow up and stop making excuses. More people should try it. It's very liberating.
Wow I think you’re both being a bit harsh here. It’s easy to accuse parents of letting their kids eat junk all day. But even if a child is sticking with their pre-covid diet the opportunities for activity just aren’t abundant right now. It’s not hard to see why kids are gaining weight. A 60 minute walk or bike ride a parent is lucky to squeeze in doesn’t come anywhere close to the combination of recess, PE, playing outside with friends, sports, dance, camp etc that many kids were doing previously. And then there’s that pesky little problem most parents have called a job.
Yeah, it's 95 degrees, we're not supposed to go crowded places or see friends, and indoor stuff and pools are closed or very limited. Give us a break. the pandemic isn't healthy.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 16:30
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought the subject was going to be concerned for kids because of lack of school and social activities.
Same here, I read children have gained an average of 7 pounds since March, that’s a lot of weight for a small body over such a short period of time.
This is the parents’ fault.
+10000 But still...how can it be he parents' fault? Apparently it has become common knowledge that the schools and the government are responsible for everything and parents no longer are. People on other threads would even risk their kids getting COVID because the schools are necessary for preventing child abuse.
Maybe if this mindset would shift, people wouldn't need the schools to keep their kids healthy, not fat, socialized, safe from abuse, etc. This is an opportunity for people to develop personal responsibility again and to become examples to others. Because in the end, that is the root cause of most of society's ills. It's time for people to grow up and stop making excuses. More people should try it. It's very liberating.
Wow I think you’re both being a bit harsh here. It’s easy to accuse parents of letting their kids eat junk all day. But even if a child is sticking with their pre-covid diet the opportunities for activity just aren’t abundant right now. It’s not hard to see why kids are gaining weight. A 60 minute walk or bike ride a parent is lucky to squeeze in doesn’t come anywhere close to the combination of recess, PE, playing outside with friends, sports, dance, camp etc that many kids were doing previously. And then there’s that pesky little problem most parents have called a job.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 16:23
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought the subject was going to be concerned for kids because of lack of school and social activities.
Same here, I read children have gained an average of 7 pounds since March, that’s a lot of weight for a small body over such a short period of time.
This is the parents’ fault.
How?
Everything is closed so kids can't get the exercise they need. Sure, they can go on walks, but that's not anywhere near the same as playing on the playground, running around, etc. Plus. the presence of other kids is what spurs activity - most kids won't run for long periods of time on their own, but will play tag, sports, etc for long periods of time.
The only option would be calorie restriction, which is NOT healthy for developing children.
Anonymous
07/18/2020 15:31
Subject: Anyone else getting increasingly concerned for their kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought the subject was going to be concerned for kids because of lack of school and social activities.
Same here, I read children have gained an average of 7 pounds since March, that’s a lot of weight for a small body over such a short period of time.
This is the parents’ fault.
+10000 But still...how can it be he parents' fault? Apparently it has become common knowledge that the schools and the government are responsible for everything and parents no longer are. People on other threads would even risk their kids getting COVID because the schools are necessary for preventing child abuse.
Maybe if this mindset would shift, people wouldn't need the schools to keep their kids healthy, not fat, socialized, safe from abuse, etc. This is an opportunity for people to develop personal responsibility again and to become examples to others. Because in the end, that is the root cause of most of society's ills. It's time for people to grow up and stop making excuses. More people should try it. It's very liberating.
I disagree with your assertion that now we expect government and schools to raise our children. However, what we have now is a government working against the welfare of our children.