Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:32
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.
So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.
I'll do the same thing I am doing now. My kid hasn't been to school since February, I figured it out then. The solution isn't to waste more tax money paying teachers not to teach. You can argue all you want, but online school is in no way an equivalent service and should be priced accordingly.
In an environment where teachers and staff are worried for their health and lives and those of their loved ones and constantly having to enforce safety for themselves and their 20-30 students, how much of a better education do you think those kids will get vs the ones learning at home with teachers who are not under the same stressors? In person schools during a pandemic will serve mainly as babysitting and food for working parents.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:29
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.
So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.
Precisely - Signed, school administrator in Texas.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:24
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.
So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.
I'll do the same thing I am doing now. My kid hasn't been to school since February, I figured it out then. The solution isn't to waste more tax money paying teachers not to teach. You can argue all you want, but online school is in no way an equivalent service and should be priced accordingly.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:13
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.
So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.
Many many other countries have dealt with this with covid numbers comparable to the dmv and rest of Northeast. There really wasn’t much of an impact from schools opening.
Same poster, of course, AZ, TX, Fl and SoCal should not reopen schools until they get their numbers down to our levels. But we don’t live there, we live on an area with an extremely competent covid response.
“It won’t happen here” attitude is very shortsighted. It’s spreading across US beyond the states you listed. Come fall, it stays the same you think? We are a protected DMV bubble? Nah
Many other countries who opened school have re-closed due to spread.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:08
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.
So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.
Many many other countries have dealt with this with covid numbers comparable to the dmv and rest of Northeast. There really wasn’t much of an impact from schools opening.
Same poster, of course, AZ, TX, Fl and SoCal should not reopen schools until they get their numbers down to our levels. But we don’t live there, we live on an area with an extremely competent covid response.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:06
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.
So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.
Many many other countries have dealt with this with covid numbers comparable to the dmv and rest of Northeast. There really wasn’t much of an impact from schools opening.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:05
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.
This has nothing to do with schools.
+1 there people could’ve been hospital workers, fire, police, factory, grocery store employees.
All the whining from/about teachers is getting old. No one is physically forcing you into the room, just like no one is forcing any of the other workers to go. It’s a choice.
This kind of bass ackwards thinking is exactly the opposite kind of approach that needs to be taken during a public health crisis, much less a pandemic. It's not about individual choices whatsoever, it needs to be about public good and weighing risks with rewards. Calling a teacher a whiner who is concerned about their life is beyond the pale.
Then we have to agree to disagree. Teachers are essential to a functioning society, just like the guy checking out your groceries.
Only in America is the discussion predominately revolving around rhetoric such as: "no one is forcing you to go back to work. It's a choice." Do you really not get that this piecemeal kind of thinking never gets us out of this situation? Grocery store workers are vital, teachers are vital. And government policies greatly shape how those two populations are affected by Covid-19. Far fewer grocery store workers died in countries that had stricter lockdowns and enforced six feet distancing in outside of store lines. And far fewer teachers feel thrown to the wolves in other countries because they were never asked to keep teaching in conditions where virus was surging with no real metrics to ensure their safety. You don't just say "you have to go back to work, or you should quit, it's your choice, because my child needs an education". That's truly asinine. I don't need my Ivy League degree in education policy to know this.
“Don’t whine about wanting your kids to have an education!” - says the poster with an Ivy League education. Good lord. Aren’t you glad you had teachers and got to go to school when you were younger?
Did I miss that there was a global pandemic during the 1980s and 1990s in America? Because there wasn't when I was in school. And I have kids in school now, and of course I want them and everyone's kids to get the best education possible. But in advocating for that, I am not pitting educators against parents. When teachers are extremely concerned for their health, we need better protocols in place, the discussion shouldn't devolve into "it's a choice, and if you are scared, stay home" We have to do better for teachers and students, and the current debate is counterproductive.
Voice of reason.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:04
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.
So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 12:57
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 12:49
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 12:39
Subject: Re:3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely infuriating. So now that a 61-year-old retired teacher with asthma and multiple health conditions died because she didn't take precautions to protect herself--while claiming that she took them in the classroom (but please, why oh why did the need to be in the same classroom?), people will use this as another reason for not returning to school? This has nothing to do at all with the precautions they took in the classroom. It is very clear that she and her family were not that careful. Plus, she's 61, obese, with asthma. She should have been more responsible. She seemed like a lovely person who was very much loved by her family, so I understand this is very sad. But she didn't take personal responsibility for her own health. And now you nuts all want to prevent healthy children from getting an education over this example? It's so frustrating!
She did. She was exposed to other people. Period.
No, schools and work cannot open.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 12:38
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.
This has nothing to do with schools.
No? Now multiply the amount of people by several hundred.
Still not about schools. It's about three adults in a room. Which is to say, it's about ALL workplaces.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 12:37
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.
This has nothing to do with schools.
No? Now multiply the amount of people by several hundred.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 11:36
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.
This has nothing to do with schools.
+1 there people could’ve been hospital workers, fire, police, factory, grocery store employees.
All the whining from/about teachers is getting old. No one is physically forcing you into the room, just like no one is forcing any of the other workers to go. It’s a choice.
This kind of bass ackwards thinking is exactly the opposite kind of approach that needs to be taken during a public health crisis, much less a pandemic. It's not about individual choices whatsoever, it needs to be about public good and weighing risks with rewards. Calling a teacher a whiner who is concerned about their life is beyond the pale.
Then we have to agree to disagree. Teachers are essential to a functioning society, just like the guy checking out your groceries.
Only in America is the discussion predominately revolving around rhetoric such as: "no one is forcing you to go back to work. It's a choice." Do you really not get that this piecemeal kind of thinking never gets us out of this situation? Grocery store workers are vital, teachers are vital. And government policies greatly shape how those two populations are affected by Covid-19. Far fewer grocery store workers died in countries that had stricter lockdowns and enforced six feet distancing in outside of store lines. And far fewer teachers feel thrown to the wolves in other countries because they were never asked to keep teaching in conditions where virus was surging with no real metrics to ensure their safety. You don't just say "you have to go back to work, or you should quit, it's your choice, because my child needs an education". That's truly asinine. I don't need my Ivy League degree in education policy to know this.
“Don’t whine about wanting your kids to have an education!” - says the poster with an Ivy League education. Good lord. Aren’t you glad you had teachers and got to go to school when you were younger?
She had to throw in the ‘Ivy League’ education. So myopic.
Says the truly myopic posters who don't see the bigger picture. If you really think teachers should just quit if they don't feel safe, rather than having a coordinated government response with evidence based metrics, then you are the problem. Given Covid spread in most of the country, in-person education is looking less plausible unless we are okay with more teachers dying than necessary.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 11:29
Subject: 3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.
This has nothing to do with schools.
+1 there people could’ve been hospital workers, fire, police, factory, grocery store employees.
All the whining from/about teachers is getting old. No one is physically forcing you into the room, just like no one is forcing any of the other workers to go. It’s a choice.
This kind of bass ackwards thinking is exactly the opposite kind of approach that needs to be taken during a public health crisis, much less a pandemic. It's not about individual choices whatsoever, it needs to be about public good and weighing risks with rewards. Calling a teacher a whiner who is concerned about their life is beyond the pale.
Then we have to agree to disagree. Teachers are essential to a functioning society, just like the guy checking out your groceries.
Only in America is the discussion predominately revolving around rhetoric such as: "no one is forcing you to go back to work. It's a choice." Do you really not get that this piecemeal kind of thinking never gets us out of this situation? Grocery store workers are vital, teachers are vital. And government policies greatly shape how those two populations are affected by Covid-19. Far fewer grocery store workers died in countries that had stricter lockdowns and enforced six feet distancing in outside of store lines. And far fewer teachers feel thrown to the wolves in other countries because they were never asked to keep teaching in conditions where virus was surging with no real metrics to ensure their safety. You don't just say "you have to go back to work, or you should quit, it's your choice, because my child needs an education". That's truly asinine. I don't need my Ivy League degree in education policy to know this.
“Don’t whine about wanting your kids to have an education!” - says the poster with an Ivy League education. Good lord. Aren’t you glad you had teachers and got to go to school when you were younger?
Did I miss that there was a global pandemic during the 1980s and 1990s in America? Because there wasn't when I was in school. And I have kids in school now, and of course I want them and everyone's kids to get the best education possible. But in advocating for that, I am not pitting educators against parents. When teachers are extremely concerned for their health, we need better protocols in place, the discussion shouldn't devolve into "it's a choice, and if you are scared, stay home" We have to do better for teachers and students, and the current debate is counterproductive.