Anonymous
Post 07/09/2020 09:17     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending/coronavirus-outbreak-missouri-summer-camp-infects-least-82-campers-counselors-staff/F7WYZLRESZD43C7YYMNNZ7T7AQ/



A Missouri summer camp closed one of its eight sites Monday after a novel coronavirus outbreak sickened at least 82 campers, counselors and staff.

The Stone County Health Department confirmed the spike in infections linked to the Kanakuk K-2 Camp in Lampe, Missouri, which offers two- and four-week sessions for campers ages 13 to 18, The Kansas City Star reported.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2020 17:20     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CDC told people not to wear masks and killed thousands of people. The government wants women to skip mammograms until they are 50 and not do checks for lumps. Just because some group states their own agenda does not mean humanity will not suffer because of it. Sure going to school five days a week is good for kids. But wearing masks 7 hours a day is bad for kids too. Bringing home the virus and killing their parents is bad for kids too. No group is above their own agenda even if they claim to be not bias.


First of all, biasED.

Second of all, kids don’t infect adults with this. They just don’t. And we don’t know if wearing masks all day is bad for kids but we know having no school is bad for kids, their parents, the economy, and the future. It is so disruptive that we need to be sure that it helps, and we aren’t, so we shouldn’t do it.


Kids will infect adults with this when they go back to school. Anyone who states otherwise is lying. No different then when the CDC lied about face masks. It fits the agenda.


NP. Did you miss the part where NONE of the contact tracing studies they have done in other countries have not found a single case where the kid was the index case in the family, i.e. where the adults caught it from the kid? You can see agenda wherever you want, but that is a fact.

NP here - yes, this. Based on the current evidence, it is much more likely teachers will get it from family members and infect students. But yes, a few local outbreaks will occur in schools and elsewhere, and people will have to deal.

Physical distancing and isolation cause psychological harm to children. PERIOD.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/latest-evidence/transmission
https://www.wired.com/story/its-ridiculous-to-treat-schools-like-covid-hot-zones/
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2020 16:26     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The AAP is stating something that has not been proven to be true. The University of Geneva has conducted a study that says when kids are sick they have just as much virus as adults. The AAP making recommendations that are not widely proven and could be as dangerous when the CDC killed people by telling them not to wear masks.


Is that the same as transmission rate? I think you are making an unsupported leap.

They might not transmit the disease at the same rate as adults, but it's simply not true that we know that "kids don’t infect adults with this. They just don’t." (in the words of a PP). We don't know that yet. And it kind of belies common sense and our experience of other diseases to say that kids NEVER infect others. Perhaps that will turn out to be true, but we don't know enough about this disease to be so confident. We do know that other schools have reopened and then had to close because of outbreaks, so we know that schools can be the site of spread.


+100. If you know anything about medicine and biology, you would know that if a child is exhibiting symptoms, especially of coronavirus which takes a rather large viral load to produce symptoms, then they can transmit the virus. There simply isn’t any conceivable way around that. Now, the jury is still out on asymptomatic cases which kids have a higher tendency of having, for sure. And in that sense, they may transmit less than adults. But a child who has any symptoms is quite unquestionably capable of transmitting the virus.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2020 15:50     Subject: American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:I think the aap recommendation makes more sense for middle America.

Situation is a bit different in cities. Meal distribution far easier in cities and suburbia.. Covid is more easily spread in cities and suburbia.

If you live 5 miles from your next neighbor and you have no food, no or bad internet, no stimulation then yeah, I agree kids should be in school.


Are you under the impression that there are no cities or suburbs in "middle America"?
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2020 13:57     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The AAP is stating something that has not been proven to be true. The University of Geneva has conducted a study that says when kids are sick they have just as much virus as adults. The AAP making recommendations that are not widely proven and could be as dangerous when the CDC killed people by telling them not to wear masks.


Is that the same as transmission rate? I think you are making an unsupported leap.

They might not transmit the disease at the same rate as adults, but it's simply not true that we know that "kids don’t infect adults with this. They just don’t." (in the words of a PP). We don't know that yet. And it kind of belies common sense and our experience of other diseases to say that kids NEVER infect others. Perhaps that will turn out to be true, but we don't know enough about this disease to be so confident. We do know that other schools have reopened and then had to close because of outbreaks, so we know that schools can be the site of spread.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2020 12:07     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:The AAP is stating something that has not been proven to be true. The University of Geneva has conducted a study that says when kids are sick they have just as much virus as adults. The AAP making recommendations that are not widely proven and could be as dangerous when the CDC killed people by telling them not to wear masks.


Is that the same as transmission rate? I think you are making an unsupported leap.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2020 14:46     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
The AAP does not have enough data that has been proven true. Colleges are in a panic to protect staff but parents of high school students will be in big trouble in the fall if there is a return to 5 day a week instruction and sports as usual. The virus is in the air. Students will never tolerate masks for a full day. Doctors all over the world have said over and over again that many of the hospitalized patients are in their 40's and 50's. That is the age of many high school parents. The AAP is now another agency that can't be trusted.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2020 16:33     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
The AAP is stating something that has not been proven to be true. The University of Geneva has conducted a study that says when kids are sick they have just as much virus as adults. The AAP making recommendations that are not widely proven and could be as dangerous when the CDC killed people by telling them not to wear masks.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 19:57     Subject: American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
I think the aap recommendation makes more sense for middle America.

Situation is a bit different in cities. Meal distribution far easier in cities and suburbia.. Covid is more easily spread in cities and suburbia.

If you live 5 miles from your next neighbor and you have no food, no or bad internet, no stimulation then yeah, I agree kids should be in school.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 16:54     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
The Thomas Jefferson Health District where Charlottesville is located, has approximately 250,000 residents.

They have in recent 5 days had new counts of approximately 12 per day.


So they are around 4.8 new cases per day per 100,000. I'd say that they are on track for providing face to face instruction as suggested in their plan. They should get that number down to at least 2 IMO.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 16:47     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:Here is an interesting proposal from a school county taking into account different age risks. I saw it retweeted by education experts that are trying to find a balance - kids and public health risks


https://twitter.com/mtgillikin/status/1278809829474283522?s=21


How much spread does Charlottesville City have right now? How many new cases per day?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 16:42     Subject: American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:So 21 year olds spread it in bars but high school kids won’t spread it?

I’m dubious.


Exactly. College professors are scared to teach in the classroom and many will teach remotely. College sports are being cancelled. But magically somehow the AAP thinks high school students can go to school five days a week and the athletic directors thinks fall sports should happen. So save all the college professors but kill all the parents of high school students.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 16:40     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Here is an interesting proposal from a school county taking into account different age risks. I saw it retweeted by education experts that are trying to find a balance - kids and public health risks


https://twitter.com/mtgillikin/status/1278809829474283522?s=21
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 15:09     Subject: Re:American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CDC told people not to wear masks and killed thousands of people. The government wants women to skip mammograms until they are 50 and not do checks for lumps. Just because some group states their own agenda does not mean humanity will not suffer because of it. Sure going to school five days a week is good for kids. But wearing masks 7 hours a day is bad for kids too. Bringing home the virus and killing their parents is bad for kids too. No group is above their own agenda even if they claim to be not bias.


First of all, biasED.

Second of all, kids don’t infect adults with this. They just don’t. And we don’t know if wearing masks all day is bad for kids but we know having no school is bad for kids, their parents, the economy, and the future. It is so disruptive that we need to be sure that it helps, and we aren’t, so we shouldn’t do it.


Kids will infect adults with this when they go back to school. Anyone who states otherwise is lying. No different then when the CDC lied about face masks. It fits the agenda.


NP. Did you miss the part where NONE of the contact tracing studies they have done in other countries have not found a single case where the kid was the index case in the family, i.e. where the adults caught it from the kid? You can see agenda wherever you want, but that is a fact.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 14:56     Subject: American Academy of Pediatrics says schools should open IN PERSON
Anonymous wrote:For ES kids adding a mask requirement easily counterbalances any reduced SD needed to allow full capacity.


I saw a kid who looked to be about 8 chewing on his mask yesterday.