Anonymous
06/26/2020 13:02
Subject: Re:Athleticism
We've crossed into the absurd. In a board concerning soccer travel, how is the development of a la liga player remotely relevant? The best youth player in the entire region probably isn't good enough to ever remotely sniff a la liga roster. Most of the best echelon of travel soccer players will top out playing for Coastal Carolina if they're lucky, moving from travel to even a DIII roster is a success if that's the kid's goal. Messi's experience at la masia has about as much in common with the ECNL as an ECNL experience does with U5 tykes
Anonymous
06/26/2020 12:47
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
So first off you do develop them all because you are starting before puberty. A fast athletic u17 player will run circles around a fast athletic u10 player. You just do not know what a player will look like after puberty - some small slow players growth and become fast big player. Many of those great athletic u10/u11 players just do not develop physically and are slow and small by u17. They just developed early but are over taken.
Secondly you can be a great athlete and not develop technically. There is a misperception that anyone can develop technical skill if you just work at it. It’s not true or all players would be very close technically- specially in the pros. Each player’s technical abilities has a floor and a ceiling. It is very similar to other traits like speed, quickness, physicality, spatial awareness, etc. Everyone has a range in which it can be improved to a certain level. You can not make a slow payer fast and you can not take a bad technical player and make them technical. It just does not happen. Go ask Jozy Altidore.
It’s like this a fast kid without technical ability = role player. A slow kid with technical ability = role player. All of them could start in travel soccer at the highest level. Many will play in college but not the pros. A fast kid with technical ability = solid payer. A fast kid with technical ability and high soccer IQ = all star.
you CANNOT have a slow technical kid or a fast untechnical kid starting at the highest level of youth travel soccer once 11v11 starts. actually you can, but then you are probably just helping out pay the bills
Efrain Alverez would have been considered a slow technical kid at youth soccer level but he is better than any young player in DC area, including the players on DCU roster. On the other hand we have plenty Gyazi Zardes types (fast athlete with bad touch and mediocre skill set0 that make it to the highest level of US soccer.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 12:08
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
No, you can develop every player to their potential. That is why we have A, B and C teams. But those early team designations should not be a sentence
So we agree even the least athletic pros are superior athletes? So the odds are the athletic kid has a better chance developing technically than the non athletic technically sound kid developing into an athlete? Athletics are what they say they are ATHLETIC . Athletes who develop skills are far more common than the opposite.
This is soooo and such A stupid theory. If Messi and parents had seen and believed on it he would have never become who he is in soccer world.
After reading many of the post in this and the other threads I see that many people posting do not know what technical means.
please, tell me what it was like when Barca was recruiting Messi. what were the conversations? what was the development plan Messi went through?
Guess whatever the conversation was, he was already in Barca’s radar. Was it due to his physicality? If Barca saw him it means Messi was on the top and ahead of many other players his age.
no, it was probably his unbelievable control with the ball. but the guy gets hacked every game, and is continually exploding past people. if he couldn't, he wouldn't be messi. that's what separates him. iniesta doesn't have that, but he's play the ball to extraordinary athletes with great skill, etc.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 12:08
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
No, you can develop every player to their potential. That is why we have A, B and C teams. But those early team designations should not be a sentence
So we agree even the least athletic pros are superior athletes? So the odds are the athletic kid has a better chance developing technically than the non athletic technically sound kid developing into an athlete? Athletics are what they say they are ATHLETIC . Athletes who develop skills are far more common than the opposite.
This is soooo and such A stupid theory. If Messi and parents had seen and believed on it he would have never become who he is in soccer world.
After reading many of the post in this and the other threads I see that many people posting do not know what technical means.
please, tell me what it was like when Barca was recruiting Messi. what were the conversations? what was the development plan Messi went through?
Guess whatever the conversation was, he was already in Barca’s radar. Was it due to his physicality? If Barca saw him it means Messi was on the top and ahead of many other players his age.
But he lacked obvious physical attributes yet his technical ability made him worth the investment
Anonymous
06/26/2020 12:02
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
No, you can develop every player to their potential. That is why we have A, B and C teams. But those early team designations should not be a sentence
So we agree even the least athletic pros are superior athletes? So the odds are the athletic kid has a better chance developing technically than the non athletic technically sound kid developing into an athlete? Athletics are what they say they are ATHLETIC . Athletes who develop skills are far more common than the opposite.
This is soooo and such A stupid theory. If Messi and parents had seen and believed on it he would have never become who he is in soccer world.
After reading many of the post in this and the other threads I see that many people posting do not know what technical means.
please, tell me what it was like when Barca was recruiting Messi. what were the conversations? what was the development plan Messi went through?
Guess whatever the conversation was, he was already in Barca’s radar. Was it due to his physicality? If Barca saw him it means Messi was on the top and ahead of many other players his age.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 11:23
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
No, you can develop every player to their potential. That is why we have A, B and C teams. But those early team designations should not be a sentence
So we agree even the least athletic pros are superior athletes? So the odds are the athletic kid has a better chance developing technically than the non athletic technically sound kid developing into an athlete? Athletics are what they say they are ATHLETIC . Athletes who develop skills are far more common than the opposite.
This is soooo and such A stupid theory. If Messi and parents had seen and believed on it he would have never become who he is in soccer world.
After reading many of the post in this and the other threads I see that many people posting do not know what technical means.
please, tell me what it was like when Barca was recruiting Messi. what were the conversations? what was the development plan Messi went through?
Anonymous
06/26/2020 11:21
Subject: Athleticism
I guess people who starts these type of posts are imploding to sell their training programs. They are trying to sell you that your kid needs to be most athletic or technical in the field. Parents will be looking to sign for training programs some located in Chantilly.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 11:20
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
No, you can develop every player to their potential. That is why we have A, B and C teams. But those early team designations should not be a sentence
So we agree even the least athletic pros are superior athletes? So the odds are the athletic kid has a better chance developing technically than the non athletic technically sound kid developing into an athlete? Athletics are what they say they are ATHLETIC . Athletes who develop skills are far more common than the opposite.
I don’t even know what point you are trying to make. Pro soccer players have all 3 components. And among pro players there are differences in the level of components each player has compared to others.
But until puberty is done an assessment on athleticism cannot and should not be determined. But technical and IQ can be developed. Frankly, technical and tactical are really all a coach can develop. Athleticism takes care of itself. So basing development of youth players on early athleticism that could simply be attributed to RAE is a long term mistake.
If a players athleticism is dominant then that player should be placed in an environmental where their athleticism is nullified. But parents don’t like seeing their kid struggle on the field when it is more fun watching them score hatricks.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 11:19
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
So we agree even the least athletic pros are superior athletes? So the odds are the athletic kid has a better chance developing technically than the non athletic technically sound kid developing into an athlete? Athletics are what they say they are ATHLETIC . Athletes who develop skills are far more common than the opposite.
Athletic is a pre-requisite to be a pro, so is technical skill. You're not developing a non-athletic kid, but you're also not developing a non-technical pro. Fortunately, youth soccer isn't the pros. Most teams around here will have kids who aren't perfect - There aren't enough technically proficient hyper athletic kids to fill out a fraction of the roster space of even the best youth teams
Anonymous
06/26/2020 11:11
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
No, you can develop every player to their potential. That is why we have A, B and C teams. But those early team designations should not be a sentence
So we agree even the least athletic pros are superior athletes? So the odds are the athletic kid has a better chance developing technically than the non athletic technically sound kid developing into an athlete? Athletics are what they say they are ATHLETIC . Athletes who develop skills are far more common than the opposite.
This is soooo and such A stupid theory. If Messi and parents had seen and believed on it he would have never become who he is in soccer world.
After reading many of the post in this and the other threads I see that many people posting do not know what technical means.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 10:59
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
No, you can develop every player to their potential. That is why we have A, B and C teams. But those early team designations should not be a sentence
So we agree even the least athletic pros are superior athletes? So the odds are the athletic kid has a better chance developing technically than the non athletic technically sound kid developing into an athlete? Athletics are what they say they are ATHLETIC . Athletes who develop skills are far more common than the opposite.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 10:56
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
So first off you do develop them all because you are starting before puberty. A fast athletic u17 player will run circles around a fast athletic u10 player. You just do not know what a player will look like after puberty - some small slow players growth and become fast big player. Many of those great athletic u10/u11 players just do not develop physically and are slow and small by u17. They just developed early but are over taken.
Secondly you can be a great athlete and not develop technically. There is a misperception that anyone can develop technical skill if you just work at it. It’s not true or all players would be very close technically- specially in the pros. Each player’s technical abilities has a floor and a ceiling. It is very similar to other traits like speed, quickness, physicality, spatial awareness, etc. Everyone has a range in which it can be improved to a certain level. You can not make a slow payer fast and you can not take a bad technical player and make them technical. It just does not happen. Go ask Jozy Altidore.
It’s like this a fast kid without technical ability = role player. A slow kid with technical ability = role player. All of them could start in travel soccer at the highest level. Many will play in college but not the pros. A fast kid with technical ability = solid payer. A fast kid with technical ability and high soccer IQ = all star.
you CANNOT have a slow technical kid or a fast untechnical kid starting at the highest level of youth travel soccer once 11v11 starts. actually you can, but then you are probably just helping out pay the bills
They start playing 11v11 at ages 11 and 12 (U13). For boys, the majority have not physically matured. Your statement is purely ridiculous. My son was one of the smaller ones. Highly technical put U13/U14 his stride was much shorter than those with early growth.
He's 14 and a U16 this Fall and had a major growth spurt his year at just under 6Feet and (probably 2-3 more inches orthopedist said). His physicality has caught up with his high speed/soccer processing IQ and great ball skil/technicality.
You are in for a very large surprise if you think U13 for boy is telling of anything.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 10:55
Subject: Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Something I see a lot of on here, parents blaming coaches for players not developing. The reality is they do not have the physical component to play at a high level.
It takes all three components to play at the highest levels. I have seen tremendously fast kids get exposed later because they either are not technical enough or smart enough.
Soccer is not American football where pure athleticism can carry the day due to rehearsed plays or niche positional roles that take advantage of a particular attribute.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 10:49
Subject: Athleticism
Something I see a lot of on here, parents blaming coaches for players not developing. The reality is they do not have the physical component to play at a high level.
Anonymous
06/26/2020 10:29
Subject: Re:Athleticism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All Pro level players are superior ATHLETES first that learned technical skills. Never do you see a technical player learn to be a superior athlete. With that said Ill take my chances developing the kid who's an athlete over the the skilled kid with mediocre genes.
No, develop them all and let time sort it out.
God people are so dumb.
This is what 99% of travel parents want to hear . "develop them all". Reality is its only the 1% that will actually develop to a high level.
So first off you do develop them all because you are starting before puberty. A fast athletic u17 player will run circles around a fast athletic u10 player. You just do not know what a player will look like after puberty - some small slow players growth and become fast big player. Many of those great athletic u10/u11 players just do not develop physically and are slow and small by u17. They just developed early but are over taken.
Secondly you can be a great athlete and not develop technically. There is a misperception that anyone can develop technical skill if you just work at it. It’s not true or all players would be very close technically- specially in the pros. Each player’s technical abilities has a floor and a ceiling. It is very similar to other traits like speed, quickness, physicality, spatial awareness, etc. Everyone has a range in which it can be improved to a certain level. You can not make a slow payer fast and you can not take a bad technical player and make them technical. It just does not happen. Go ask Jozy Altidore.
It’s like this a fast kid without technical ability = role player. A slow kid with technical ability = role player. All of them could start in travel soccer at the highest level. Many will play in college but not the pros. A fast kid with technical ability = solid payer. A fast kid with technical ability and high soccer IQ = all star.
you CANNOT have a slow technical kid or a fast untechnical kid starting at the highest level of youth travel soccer once 11v11 starts. actually you can, but then you are probably just helping out pay the bills