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Anonymous wrote:If you are calling other people selfish but have spent the last three months not going to grocery stores and instead shifting that risk onto a low paid Instacart workers, you need to take a look at yourself.

Newsflash - everyone is selfish in ways. Deal with it.

Selfish behavior isn't okay just because "everyone" engages in it, and not everyone does. If anyone "calling other people selfish" is also acting in selfish ways themselves, that means that they also need to correct their behavior, not accept that everyone will behave badly.

Also, paying others to do your grocery shopping may be a good choice for people who are immunocompromised.

Plenty of people ordering grocery delivery are not immunocompromised. They are shifting the risk to low wage workers and patting themselves on the back for how responsible they are being. Not all people ordering groceries are in this boat, of course, and I agree that for some, this is the safest choice. But for many, that's not the case. I have plenty of friends who are doing just this, but then are appalled when others have a socially distant visit with a small number of friends or family.

People are very judgmental of anyone behaving in ways that are different than how they are behaving - and I think this goes across the spectrum, for those being the most careful to the least. We're all selfish in ways, we're all judgmental in ways, and we aren't doing ourselves any favors.

I do tend to agree with you on the grocery store delivery and putting the risk on others, and we do our own grocery shopping. That said someone else said if I am purchasing food, I’m still part of the problem and I do sadly agree with that. I don’t think conditions are good in these meat plants or for migrant workers living in close quarters.

Better go start living off the grid then. Maybe you can shoot a deer with a musket or something.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are calling other people selfish but have spent the last three months not going to grocery stores and instead shifting that risk onto a low paid Instacart workers, you need to take a look at yourself.

Newsflash - everyone is selfish in ways. Deal with it.

Selfish behavior isn't okay just because "everyone" engages in it, and not everyone does. If anyone "calling other people selfish" is also acting in selfish ways themselves, that means that they also need to correct their behavior, not accept that everyone will behave badly.

Also, paying others to do your grocery shopping may be a good choice for people who are immunocompromised.

Plenty of people ordering grocery delivery are not immunocompromised. They are shifting the risk to low wage workers and patting themselves on the back for how responsible they are being. Not all people ordering groceries are in this boat, of course, and I agree that for some, this is the safest choice. But for many, that's not the case. I have plenty of friends who are doing just this, but then are appalled when others have a socially distant visit with a small number of friends or family.

People are very judgmental of anyone behaving in ways that are different than how they are behaving - and I think this goes across the spectrum, for those being the most careful to the least. We're all selfish in ways, we're all judgmental in ways, and we aren't doing ourselves any favors.

I do tend to agree with you on the grocery store delivery and putting the risk on others, and we do our own grocery shopping. That said someone else said if I am purchasing food, I’m still part of the problem and I do sadly agree with that. I don’t think conditions are good in these meat plants or for migrant workers living in close quarters.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are calling other people selfish but have spent the last three months not going to grocery stores and instead shifting that risk onto a low paid Instacart workers, you need to take a look at yourself.

Newsflash - everyone is selfish in ways. Deal with it.

Selfish behavior isn't okay just because "everyone" engages in it, and not everyone does. If anyone "calling other people selfish" is also acting in selfish ways themselves, that means that they also need to correct their behavior, not accept that everyone will behave badly.

Also, paying others to do your grocery shopping may be a good choice for people who are immunocompromised.

Plenty of people ordering grocery delivery are not immunocompromised. They are shifting the risk to low wage workers and patting themselves on the back for how responsible they are being. Not all people ordering groceries are in this boat, of course, and I agree that for some, this is the safest choice. But for many, that's not the case. I have plenty of friends who are doing just this, but then are appalled when others have a socially distant visit with a small number of friends or family.

People are very judgmental of anyone behaving in ways that are different than how they are behaving - and I think this goes across the spectrum, for those being the most careful to the least. We're all selfish in ways, we're all judgmental in ways, and we aren't doing ourselves any favors.

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Anonymous wrote:You're worried about your kids being at home primarily because of you or your job, not them.
You are now allowing them to go on sleepovers and worse.
Some of you are sending them on summer trips/camp.
Then you will send them to school with my kids.
You'll get what you deserve -- but so will your kids, and so will mine, and so will I.
Thanks.

The CDC allows all of these activities if your area is in the green/open phase. The virus is going to be around for a long time. People don't really get that the main goal was to delay and prevent a surge that would completely overwhelm our hospitals. The goal was never to prevent people from ever getting the virus.

There is also a risk to you and your children's mental health by staying isolated for several months on end. That is not to be just idly dismissed, there is an impact, even though you may not clearly see it.

I kept thinking maybe this argument was just rationalizing on our part in order to justify sending our kids out. But my teenage DD started sports practice last week and after just a few practices, I realized last night how much more better her spirits are. She's much more motivated, and I'm seeing her anxiety and depression improving already. I think I really diminished just how bad the isolation has been for her. One anecdote, but I am certain she is not alone.

I agree. The public health framework in general is benefits vs. harm. For a while, the risk of harm from social isolation was vastly outweighed by the benefits of staying home and isolating. That time, or now, at least for those of posting in certain areas (I'm in MD and our numbers are trending in the right direction), the benefit risk calculation has changed a bit.

We will not be going to restaurants, gyms, hair salons, metro, the office, planes, etc. but yes we will start going to routine overdue dr. and dentist appointments and we are allowing outdoor small get-togethers (remaining socially distant) for ourselves and our kids. No indoor guests. We will be following guidelines for Montgomery County when it's time for school.

Simply saying everything that is not being locked inside your home is dangerous like the OP is doing is not smart or sane.

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Anonymous wrote:You're worried about your kids being at home primarily because of you or your job, not them.
You are now allowing them to go on sleepovers and worse.
Some of you are sending them on summer trips/camp.
Then you will send them to school with my kids.
You'll get what you deserve -- but so will your kids, and so will mine, and so will I.
Thanks.

The CDC allows all of these activities if your area is in the green/open phase. The virus is going to be around for a long time. People don't really get that the main goal was to delay and prevent a surge that would completely overwhelm our hospitals. The goal was never to prevent people from ever getting the virus.

There is also a risk to you and your children's mental health by staying isolated for several months on end. That is not to be just idly dismissed, there is an impact, even though you may not clearly see it.

I kept thinking maybe this argument was just rationalizing on our part in order to justify sending our kids out. But my teenage DD started sports practice last week and after just a few practices, I realized last night how much more better her spirits are. She's much more motivated, and I'm seeing her anxiety and depression improving already. I think I really diminished just how bad the isolation has been for her. One anecdote, but I am certain she is not alone.

You are way over-reacting and just being mean and selfish yourself. We have been totally hunkering down and following beyond every guideline and requirement. But we are considering an outdoor camp for a few days for our elementary schooler, not because we need the childcare but because it seems safe.

I'm in close in MD and I think our community has done great and the numbers reflect that.

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Anonymous wrote:I will make decisions in the best interests of my family and myself in accordance with the restrictions provided by our state. I couldn't care less if someone thinks we're selfish.

If you or your family get sick, is it in your best interests? Not saying that the risk is high.

Also, if everyone doesn't care if others think they're selfish and ignores social distancing, isn't the pandemic prolonged?

We are following restrictions put in place by the government. We are not going to hide indoors for the rest of the year. If there is another stay at home order, we will follow it but we are not going to make decisions based on the opinions of our most anxious neighbor. Sorry.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're worried about your kids being at home primarily because of you or your job, not them.
You are now allowing them to go on sleepovers and worse.
Some of you are sending them on summer trips/camp.
Then you will send them to school with my kids.
You'll get what you deserve -- but so will your kids, and so will mine, and so will I.
Thanks.

The CDC allows all of these activities if your area is in the green/open phase. The virus is going to be around for a long time. People don't really get that the main goal was to delay and prevent a surge that would completely overwhelm our hospitals. The goal was never to prevent people from ever getting the virus.

There is also a risk to you and your children's mental health by staying isolated for several months on end. That is not to be just idly dismissed, there is an impact, even though you may not clearly see it.

+1

Anonymous wrote:I will make decisions in the best interests of my family and myself in accordance with the restrictions provided by our state. I couldn't care less if someone thinks we're selfish.

If you or your family get sick, is it in your best interests? Not saying that the risk is high.

Also, if everyone doesn't care if others think they're selfish and ignores social distancing, isn't the pandemic prolonged?

I'm fine with it all as long as you wear a mask.

I will make decisions in the best interests of my family and myself in accordance with the restrictions provided by our state. I couldn't care less if someone thinks we're selfish.

Anonymous wrote:You're worried about your kids being at home primarily because of you or your job, not them.
You are now allowing them to go on sleepovers and worse.
Some of you are sending them on summer trips/camp.
Then you will send them to school with my kids.
You'll get what you deserve -- but so will your kids, and so will mine, and so will I.
Thanks.

The CDC allows all of these activities if your area is in the green/open phase. The virus is going to be around for a long time. People don't really get that the main goal was to delay and prevent a surge that would completely overwhelm our hospitals. The goal was never to prevent people from ever getting the virus.

There is also a risk to you and your children's mental health by staying isolated for several months on end. That is not to be just idly dismissed, there is an impact, even though you may not clearly see it.

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Anonymous wrote:“Sleepovers and worse.” What could be worse? Do tell!

Graduation parties. Summer pool parties. Beach trips.

We are going to all 3 this summer!!+!+
Woo hoo!!

Pool parties and beach trips are likely much safer than hanging out with a bunch of people all night in a still room, breathing the same air.

Umm they're proving decidedly not. Something about standing in a tepid pool of water, inhaling the spray, and laying immobile for hours next to way too many people spreads virus...who knew. Not to mention all the tactile contact between strangers and friends.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/06/22/teenagers-coronavirus-senior-week-delaware/

https://people.com/health/ohio-teens-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-trip-myrtle-beach/

The kids in these stories were sharing group rental homes. Their indoor exposure was almost surely dramatically higher than their outdoor exposure.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Sleepovers and worse.” What could be worse? Do tell!

Graduation parties. Summer pool parties. Beach trips.

We are going to all 3 this summer!!+!+
Woo hoo!!

Pool parties and beach trips are likely much safer than hanging out with a bunch of people all night in a still room, breathing the same air.

Umm they're proving decidedly not. Something about standing in a tepid pool of water, inhaling the spray, and laying immobile for hours next to way too many people spreads virus...who knew. Not to mention all the tactile contact between strangers and friends.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/06/22/teenagers-coronavirus-senior-week-delaware/

https://people.com/health/ohio-teens-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-trip-myrtle-beach/

If you read the story you would see the kids were staying together in the same rental unit.

So, no pool spread or beach spread. These kids slept together and traveled together.

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Anonymous wrote:We have not come together as a country or community. I don’t know why - it’s so unAmerican to be so self-centered in a time of crisis. Yes, our lack of leadership contributed to this but it’s not the whole story.

Yes, it really is the whole story.

Gimme a T, gimme a R...!

Disgusting what we have come to.

America is completely finished. Our population will continue to grapple with virus while others clean up the mess and move on. Our economy is doomed and so is our culture. I think the November election is already too late.

Trump destroyed us.

I think this is a bit pessimistic. Many in America don't support Trump. He doesn't represent all Americans, thankfully