Anonymous
Post 06/16/2020 11:20     Subject: Re:Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
Anonymous wrote:I'm sending my kids to camp. My husband and I are both WFH but it's likely I'm going to have to back soon. My kids aren't getting much supervision and they've already mildly injured themselves on several occasions, and also they're watching TV all day. I already got what my doctor thought was COVID when the only place I was going was the grocery store, although I don't know for sure, and I'm not particularly worried about the kids being vectors. Yes, it's a risk. So is what we're doing now. This isn't us going out to bars for fun, this is accessing child care so we can work. I'm the only one on my team who has kids and our work situation is dysfunctional enough that me continuing to not be fully present - or worse, actually taking time off - is not an option.

Like everyone with small children, I watched my kids for months while attempting to work in order to minimize the risk to people who are older and sicker than I am. But with discussion of schools not even fully reopening in the fall, what exactly is the endgame for this? We're just supposed to keep doing this for how long, exactly? If there was some kind of plan here, I could have held off a bit longer, but since the plan seems to be "parents, you're on your own to figure this out with no end in sight and also, btw, you're totally screwed if you lose your job," the way I'm figuring this out is to send my kids to summer camp.


Same. These fools saying it’s somehow only for essential workers fail to recognize that our jobs are essential to US. There isn’t a limitless safety net. The fall out from this is going to financially devastate some people. Many people. Like be the difference between being able to retire and not. Get out of your limited bubbles for once. Seriously.

Also, it’s not about just your family doing it, btw, and I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand. It doesn’t matter what your individual family is doing other than if you self isolate and avoid getting it and then come on out and get it, I guess? Idk and nor do you. There may never be a vaccine. So. It matters what society writ large is doing. And most states are in phases that allow for the opening of some camps. So literally stfu about it. You don’t get to decide and if you decide to isolate, and have the ability to do so, literally nobody cares. Your still ordering everything and having all services so you obviously expect that risk is being passed about outside your bubble. Get over yourselves.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2020 10:42     Subject: Re:Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
I sent my 5yo back to PreK this week. Kids and teachers are wearing masks and distancing.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2020 10:39     Subject: Re:Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
I'm sending my kids to camp. My husband and I are both WFH but it's likely I'm going to have to back soon. My kids aren't getting much supervision and they've already mildly injured themselves on several occasions, and also they're watching TV all day. I already got what my doctor thought was COVID when the only place I was going was the grocery store, although I don't know for sure, and I'm not particularly worried about the kids being vectors. Yes, it's a risk. So is what we're doing now. This isn't us going out to bars for fun, this is accessing child care so we can work. I'm the only one on my team who has kids and our work situation is dysfunctional enough that me continuing to not be fully present - or worse, actually taking time off - is not an option.

Like everyone with small children, I watched my kids for months while attempting to work in order to minimize the risk to people who are older and sicker than I am. But with discussion of schools not even fully reopening in the fall, what exactly is the endgame for this? We're just supposed to keep doing this for how long, exactly? If there was some kind of plan here, I could have held off a bit longer, but since the plan seems to be "parents, you're on your own to figure this out with no end in sight and also, btw, you're totally screwed if you lose your job," the way I'm figuring this out is to send my kids to summer camp.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2020 00:37     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Ignore the insanes on here and stop asking. Camps are open. The decision has been made that’s it appropriate to open. Let these martyrs hoist their own pitard. Byyyyyeeee! See you in a few years!


You should never take health advice from a business who needs your money.

Are public camps run by the county open? No. Then I would not use a private one who has finances weighing heavily in their decision making.


+1

I think there is a different calculation involved if you or your spouse Re essential workers and need childcare because you are not home. Otherwise, I would carefully consider how you will feel if the camp closes down midway because of an outbreak and you need to quarantine for 2 weeks. I think most organizationsa this point will make you sign a liability waiver. And it is telling that county camps are not open; most camps can not afford refunds so they are either trying to give credits, operate virtually, or find a way to operate just to stay afloat. That said, if you decide to take the risk do it. - no one should judge you and you shouldn’t judge them for keeping their kids home. But also be understanding if people decide to social distance. The equation is different for all families.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 22:34     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. Ignore the insanes on here and stop asking. Camps are open. The decision has been made that’s it appropriate to open. Let these martyrs hoist their own pitard. Byyyyyeeee! See you in a few years!


You should never take health advice from a business who needs your money.

Are public camps run by the county open? No. Then I would not use a private one who has finances weighing heavily in their decision making.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 22:21     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
Anonymous wrote: So let’s be honest though. In order for some kids to be at school others have to stay home. My kid is going off the rails being at home, but I know if there are families that those slots at school/camp are critical to their jobs right now. Essential workers that have to report in person. We are keeping her home for them.

Be sure to keep in mind when writing smug responses to folks keeping kids home, that if we all chose to send our kids in right now our providers would not only be overwhelmed, they’d not be following state guidelines.



+1. Excellent point.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 22:20     Subject: Re:Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I am not comfortable with the risk for my 5 yr old. It’s not about being a martyr - I have to follow my gut feeling that tells me it’s too early.


Cool. But the risk is way lower than putting your kid in the car so it’s a bit ridiculous. Risk decisions should be based on reality.



So because one thing is a risk (driving) I should take additional risks? How does that begin to make sense?! “Since this might kill you, I’m going to other things that also might kill you.”

NP here and that is such a stupid argument!





I don’t think you understand how risk assessments and comparisons are made.


I absolutely understand how risk assessments are made. However it’s a moot point in weighing additional risk especially with such an unknown commodity.

How can anyone possibly assign risk assessments with an ever changing landscape and mutating virus? And practically, as a parent, why take anymore risk than necessary?
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 22:18     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
Where are these camps? Are kids wearing masks?
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 22:16     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
My kid went to a half day camp today and was SOOO happy after.

You are not nuts.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 22:11     Subject: Re:Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not comfortable with the risk for my 5 yr old. It’s not about being a martyr - I have to follow my gut feeling that tells me it’s too early.


Cool. But the risk is way lower than putting your kid in the car so it’s a bit ridiculous. Risk decisions should be based on reality.



So because one thing is a risk (driving) I should take additional risks? How does that begin to make sense?! “Since this might kill you, I’m going to other things that also might kill you.”

NP here and that is such a stupid argument!





I don’t think you understand how risk assessments and comparisons are made.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 22:00     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
So let’s be honest though. In order for some kids to be at school others have to stay home. My kid is going off the rails being at home, but I know if there are families that those slots at school/camp are critical to their jobs right now. Essential workers that have to report in person. We are keeping her home for them.

Be sure to keep in mind when writing smug responses to folks keeping kids home, that if we all chose to send our kids in right now our providers would not only be overwhelmed, they’d not be following state guidelines.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 21:27     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
You are going to get people in different camps here, OP. You have to do what feels right for you. We are sending our 6 year old to camp starting next week. It feels right for us, but I pass no judgement on others who aren’t ready.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 21:10     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
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Anonymous wrote:We our sending our 4 year old to playground camp... all outdoors She needs it desperately


Then take you kid outdoors.


We do... for several hours every day. But as of right now she is an only child And she misses her friends and the social/emotional learning from preschool.


Then you provide it. We have an only who is fine but we make sure to meet all needs. You don't sound like you want to do it so its not about what she needs but about your needs. Thats fine but say so. You don't want to be bothered.




You are making a lot of assumptions ma’am I’m a kindergarten teacher, it is imperative that children Are able to Safely interact with peers. I have weighed the risks and we are ok with letting her attend an outdoor camp with 10 other kids for a few hours each day. This has nothing to do with “my needs” And being bothered... but rather the development And emotional well-being of my child. There is no way you, as an adult, can simulate the peer to peer interaction and problem solving that a school or camp setting allows. In addition to fostering age appropriate relationships and cooperative learning.

I completely support families who are not ready to take the same risk for various reasons. But your judgemental snark is unnecessary. Everyone is doing the best they can for their family right now.


If you are a teacher and not working, it is about your needs. There are plenty of ways to get kids needs met without going to camp.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 21:08     Subject: Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
I sent mine (4.25 yo) last week. It was great, though I dreaded the coming home part (strip down clothes straight into the washer, straight into the bathtub, then sanitizing lunchbox daily). Anyway poor kid has been so lonely and bored at home, it was good to hear he really enjoyed going to camp and doing something that's not at home or a neighborhood walk.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2020 21:07     Subject: Re:Am I nuts for sending my 4.5 year old to camp?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I certainly wouldn’t let my kid go to camp unless it was a childcare issue. We’re also healthy and in our early 30s with no underlying conditions.

Covid 19 can be mild or an incredibly painful virus.



+1. My 6.5 year old won’t be going. His science and sports camps were canceled anyway.


+2

My DH is mid-30s no underlying conditions. He caught covid in April. Had a “moderate/severe” case. It was unlike anything we’ve ever experienced. There were 2-3 days when our PCP basically told us hope he gets better or he’s likely a ventilator. I caught it (from him) completely asymptomatic except lost my sense of smell. Everyone has to make their own decision, but it’s difficult to understand that the spectrum of mild/moderate/severe for this disease is not comparable to the flu. Severe is life threatening, moderate is still very sick for 14 days. It was stressful for me and for our kids.


This is so frightening, PP. How long did it take for him to completely recover- longer than the 14 days?