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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

The way that we think and talk about race has always and will continue to evolve. Black people endured hundreds of years being defined by white people. Please allow us our nuance now.

What is the nuance though? Can’t you understand why it is confusing when there are different definitions all over?

Sure, I can understand why you'd find it confusing. Like a PP said, we don't all get in a room together and vote. Use what makes sense to you, and as your understanding evolves your language may as well. But just because you don't understand it, that doesn't mean kanguage shouldn't change or evolve as people try to be more accurate and inclusive. That isn't going to stop.

The problem is that if you don't use someone's preferred term you are, at best, insensitive, and at worst, a racist (or some other xxx-ist). For example, see all the recent discussions about the language used to describe the various permutations of gay.

You shouldn’t worry about that. If you’re trying to be an ally no one is going to get mad at you for accidentally saying a wrong term. The people who get mad seem to be the white guilt people.

I’m lesbian and I also get pretty confused by the ever evolving list of new words for our community. Personally I cringe at the word queer and hate people using it about me. But I’d never get mad because no ones a mind reader and I don’t expect the average straight person to know about the history and subtleties of using gay and lesbian versus LGBT versus queer.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

The way that we think and talk about race has always and will continue to evolve. Black people endured hundreds of years being defined by white people. Please allow us our nuance now.

What is the nuance though? Can’t you understand why it is confusing when there are different definitions all over?

It's confusing, to whom?

Um, OP, me and all of the others asking?

Right. So what you're saying is, "Your term for yourself confuses me." But people's self-definition isn't about you. It's not for your benefit. You're not the target audience.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

The way that we think and talk about race has always and will continue to evolve. Black people endured hundreds of years being defined by white people. Please allow us our nuance now.

What is the nuance though? Can’t you understand why it is confusing when there are different definitions all over?

Sure, I can understand why you'd find it confusing. Like a PP said, we don't all get in a room together and vote. Use what makes sense to you, and as your understanding evolves your language may as well. But just because you don't understand it, that doesn't mean kanguage shouldn't change or evolve as people try to be more accurate and inclusive. That isn't going to stop.

Personally, I’ve never thought or said it shouldn’t evolve. But I have seen BIPOC used in what I believe to be a few different contexts and so was just curious (not OP but a PP). I can see now that based on the link above I was perhaps misreading and it does include Native Americans and other people of color.

Are you the PP who said this:

but if wish folks would settle on one term.

Because that is what I was responding to.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

The way that we think and talk about race has always and will continue to evolve. Black people endured hundreds of years being defined by white people. Please allow us our nuance now.

What is the nuance though? Can’t you understand why it is confusing when there are different definitions all over?

It's confusing, to whom?

Um, OP, me and all of the others asking?

Right. So what you're saying is, "Your term for yourself confuses me." But people's self-definition isn't about you. It's not for your benefit. You're not the target audience.

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused too. Does this mean black, indigenous people of color, or black, indigenous, AND people of color? As an Asian-American, I assume I’m included in the second but not in the first. I’ve googled and the first two results seem to indicate different things.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

Only whites are privileged enough to have one term for themselves.

LOL. I am from West Virginia. I've been called white trash, hillbilly, cracker, peckerwood, trailer trash, inbred (x1000), and all sorts of other unflattering things.

I do my best to call people of any race, gender, etc. whatever they prefer to be called. If you want BIPOC, BIPOC it is. I do find the indigenous part confusing because only Native Americans are indigenous here. the rest of us are immigrants, forced or unforced.

My family started out as "indentured servants" here.

At what point are people no longer immigrants? How many generations or years have to pass?

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

Only whites are privileged enough to have one term for themselves.

LOL. I am from West Virginia. I've been called white trash, hillbilly, cracker, peckerwood, trailer trash, inbred (x1000), and all sorts of other unflattering things.

I do my best to call people of any race, gender, etc. whatever they prefer to be called. If you want BIPOC, BIPOC it is. I do find the indigenous part confusing because only Native Americans are indigenous here. the rest of us are immigrants, forced or unforced.

My family started out as "indentured servants" here.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

The way that we think and talk about race has always and will continue to evolve. Black people endured hundreds of years being defined by white people. Please allow us our nuance now.

What is the nuance though? Can’t you understand why it is confusing when there are different definitions all over?

It's confusing, to whom?

Um, OP, me and all of the others asking?

Right. So what you're saying is, "Your term for yourself confuses me." But people's self-definition isn't about you. It's not for your benefit. You're not the target audience.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

Only whites are privileged enough to have one term for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

The way that we think and talk about race has always and will continue to evolve. Black people endured hundreds of years being defined by white people. Please allow us our nuance now.

What is the nuance though? Can’t you understand why it is confusing when there are different definitions all over?

Sure, I can understand why you'd find it confusing. Like a PP said, we don't all get in a room together and vote. Use what makes sense to you, and as your understanding evolves your language may as well. But just because you don't understand it, that doesn't mean kanguage shouldn't change or evolve as people try to be more accurate and inclusive. That isn't going to stop.

Personally, I’ve never thought or said it shouldn’t evolve. But I have seen BIPOC used in what I believe to be a few different contexts and so was just curious (not OP but a PP). I can see now that based on the link above I was perhaps misreading and it does include Native Americans and other people of color.

but if wish folks would settle on one term.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused too. Does this mean black, indigenous people of color, or black, indigenous, AND people of color? As an Asian-American, I assume I’m included in the second but not in the first. I’ve googled and the first two results seem to indicate different things.

This is a definition I found on thebipocproject.org:

“ The BIPOC Project aims to build authentic and lasting solidarity among Black, Indigenous and People of Color (BIPOC), in order to undo Native invisibility, anti-Blackness, dismantle white supremacy and advance racial justice.

“We use the term BIPOC to highlight the unique relationship to whiteness that Indigenous and Black (African Americans) people have, which shapes the experiences of and relationship to white supremacy for all people of color within a U.S. context. We unapologetically focus on and center relationships among BIPOC folks.”

So I think... Asians are included but the term “centers” black & indigenous.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

The way that we think and talk about race has always and will continue to evolve. Black people endured hundreds of years being defined by white people. Please allow us our nuance now.

What is the nuance though? Can’t you understand why it is confusing when there are different definitions all over?

Sure, I can understand why you'd find it confusing. Like a PP said, we don't all get in a room together and vote. Use what makes sense to you, and as your understanding evolves your language may as well. But just because you don't understand it, that doesn't mean kanguage shouldn't change or evolve as people try to be more accurate and inclusive. That isn't going to stop.

The problem is that if you don't use someone's preferred term you are, at best, insensitive, and at worst, a racist (or some other xxx-ist). For example, see all the recent discussions about the language used to describe the various permutations of gay.

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The problem is that if you don't use someone's preferred term you are, at best, insensitive, and at worst, a racist (or some other xxx-ist). For example, see all the recent discussions about the language used to describe the various permutations of gay.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember when it was preferred to refer to folks as black. Then it was changed to african-american. Than, apparently, we went to black again. I guess BIPOC is the latest iteration.

I'm happy to call people whatever they prefer, but if wish folks would settle on one term.

The way that we think and talk about race has always and will continue to evolve. Black people endured hundreds of years being defined by white people. Please allow us our nuance now.

What is the nuance though? Can’t you understand why it is confusing when there are different definitions all over?

It's confusing, to whom?

Um, OP, me and all of the others asking?