Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 21:57     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
This thread is great! I’ve been schooled.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 16:04     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Fiddler on the Roof was about Jews in Tsarist Russia. Tsarist Russia was a hotbed of antisemitism and Jewish persecution. Several Tsars encouraged pogroms, they were exposed to persecution, economic, structural, direct, you name it. Tsar Alexander II was "better" towards Jews and did not physically persecute them but attempted to assimilate them. After his assassination, Alexander II blamed Jews for his murder(on account of some revolutionaries being Jews) and started even worse terror on Jews in Russia. Ukrainian and Polish groups were not really any better toward Jews.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 15:50     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is she actually a Russian that was born in Ukraine? Or Ukrainian that like so many speaks Russian in her family? I think I heard her say in interviews that she is Russian.

She is neither. She is Jewish and that’s why her family was able to get an immigrant visa to the US.

That makes no sense. Plus there are plenty of Russian and Ukrainian Jewish people. She can identify as both, like so many here identify as both. I am sure Jews in the U.S. would take offense to your telling them they are not American.


It was very different in the Soviet Union. Your passport listed your ethnicity. Jewish was listed as a separate ethnicity, as were Russian and Ukrainian. There were basically no practicing Jews in the Soviet Union (or very few, since religion had been banned for decades), so Judaism was mainly an ethnicity, not a religion. Most of the Soviet provinces were heavily settled by Russians, including Jews of Russian extraction, as part of the Soviet attempt to integrate the provinces into the larger Soviet community. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, many of these Russian families were very unwelcome in many of the provinces (regardless of whether they were born there), and the Jews even more so. Many emigrated. Anyway, within 20th century Russia, most Jews would consider themselves as having a dual ethnic identity as Russian and as Jewish, but its not as simple as an American Jew just saying that they are "America" but "Russia" wasn't even a country from 1917 to 1991 -- it was a republic and ethnicity within the country of the Soviet Union. But a Russian Jew living in Moldova, for instance, would not consider themselves Moldovan, nor would the people in Moldova consider them Moldovan.

While it's a separate historical point, I don't think there were a ton of Ukrainian Jews that survived the Holocaust. My husband's family was from a Jewish town in the Ukraine and literally the entire town was killed.


Wasn't Fiddler on the Roof about Jews in Ukraine?
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 15:46     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:I've always liked them both and think that they have a genuine relationship with each other.

They are involved parents and the homeschooling thing with their kids doesn't surprise me at all. Doesn't Ashton hold a degree in Engineering?

I'm glad that these two seem to have their priorities straight. I think they're the real deal which is a refreshing change from the fluff and nonsense that comprise a lot of Hollywood relationships these days.

As far as Mila's accent goes, she sounds the same to me as she always has.


+1

She's also very talkative (at least on shows I'v seen her) and she seemed genuinely excited about the wine project. Ashton was just following her lead. Good man!
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 15:42     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, let me get this straight, you picked up on her interrupting him, but not on his yellow head band?!! And about her accent that you imagined? But, not about his saying like, like, like, like and being the teacher! Note to op, when you see a woman think how can I prop her up and make the sister feel good. Second note, do not try to find a tiniest issue with a woman to bring her down while thinking a MAN should be irritated if he is interrupted!
Third note, what makes you want to tear other women down? And lick men's .......pride? How insecure are you that this is what makes you happy?


I agree with this one.


So do I. What a pathetic thread OP.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 15:33     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6IexoElxk

Anyone else get the impression that Mila keeps interrupting Ashton and he gets an annoyed look on his face? Also, she went from Russia to Los Angeles. Why does she have a New York accent?


Ukraine is not Russia.

Clearly. But, it was part of the USSR. Her wiki page states that she moved from the USSR in 1991, clearly in the last year when USSR still existed. Hence Russia and Ukraine were once a part of of country. Ukraine has been a part of the Russian Empire for centuries prior. And one pp seemed to indicate that her family identified as Russian Jewish and that it was not only the anti Jewish sentiment but the anti Russian sentiment in Ukraine as the USSR was falling apart that contributed to her family leaving.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 15:17     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6IexoElxk

Anyone else get the impression that Mila keeps interrupting Ashton and he gets an annoyed look on his face? Also, she went from Russia to Los Angeles. Why does she have a New York accent?


Ukraine is not Russia.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 15:15     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is she actually a Russian that was born in Ukraine? Or Ukrainian that like so many speaks Russian in her family? I think I heard her say in interviews that she is Russian.

She is neither. She is Jewish and that’s why her family was able to get an immigrant visa to the US.

That makes no sense. Plus there are plenty of Russian and Ukrainian Jewish people. She can identify as both, like so many here identify as both. I am sure Jews in the U.S. would take offense to your telling them they are not American.


It was very different in the Soviet Union. Your passport listed your ethnicity. Jewish was listed as a separate ethnicity, as were Russian and Ukrainian. There were basically no practicing Jews in the Soviet Union (or very few, since religion had been banned for decades), so Judaism was mainly an ethnicity, not a religion. Most of the Soviet provinces were heavily settled by Russians, including Jews of Russian extraction, as part of the Soviet attempt to integrate the provinces into the larger Soviet community. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, many of these Russian families were very unwelcome in many of the provinces (regardless of whether they were born there), and the Jews even more so. Many emigrated. Anyway, within 20th century Russia, most Jews would consider themselves as having a dual ethnic identity as Russian and as Jewish, but its not as simple as an American Jew just saying that they are "America" but "Russia" wasn't even a country from 1917 to 1991 -- it was a republic and ethnicity within the country of the Soviet Union. But a Russian Jew living in Moldova, for instance, would not consider themselves Moldovan, nor would the people in Moldova consider them Moldovan.

While it's a separate historical point, I don't think there were a ton of Ukrainian Jews that survived the Holocaust. My husband's family was from a Jewish town in the Ukraine and literally the entire town was killed.

Of course Jews in Moldova would not consider themselves Moldovan. That is where some of the worst pogroms happened! Kishinev? Priest calling for killing of Jews? I though that initially identification by ethnicity was meant to allow for education in the USSR to be more inclusive. In the first few years of it, of course it back fired terribly when Germans entered Ukraine and could track every single Jewish person all over the place. Clearly, Stalin was also anti Semite and a mass murderer. Killing Jewish doctors left and right in some perceived conspiracy theory. If Soviets identified everyone by their ethnicity, was this any different for Kazahs or Jews?
About her family, you are essentially saying that they were persecuted because they identified as Russian in Ukraine? Not just because they were Jewish? So, this was a backlash against the Russian hegemony in the USSR?
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 15:03     Subject: Re:Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She is a mean-girl bore who isn't attractive without makeup.


She's not meaner than you, but she is 100x more attractive than you. Without make up.


DP but actually is very unattractive without makeup. I agree with the PP. Not a judgment, just an observation.


She looks cute without makeup to me. Not that drastically different.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 14:50     Subject: Re:Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She is a mean-girl bore who isn't attractive without makeup.


She's not meaner than you, but she is 100x more attractive than you. Without make up.


DP but actually is very unattractive without makeup. I agree with the PP. Not a judgment, just an observation.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 14:50     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is she actually a Russian that was born in Ukraine? Or Ukrainian that like so many speaks Russian in her family? I think I heard her say in interviews that she is Russian.

She is neither. She is Jewish and that’s why her family was able to get an immigrant visa to the US.

That makes no sense. Plus there are plenty of Russian and Ukrainian Jewish people. She can identify as both, like so many here identify as both. I am sure Jews in the U.S. would take offense to your telling them they are not American.


It was very different in the Soviet Union. Your passport listed your ethnicity. Jewish was listed as a separate ethnicity, as were Russian and Ukrainian. There were basically no practicing Jews in the Soviet Union (or very few, since religion had been banned for decades), so Judaism was mainly an ethnicity, not a religion. Most of the Soviet provinces were heavily settled by Russians, including Jews of Russian extraction, as part of the Soviet attempt to integrate the provinces into the larger Soviet community. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, many of these Russian families were very unwelcome in many of the provinces (regardless of whether they were born there), and the Jews even more so. Many emigrated. Anyway, within 20th century Russia, most Jews would consider themselves as having a dual ethnic identity as Russian and as Jewish, but its not as simple as an American Jew just saying that they are "America" but "Russia" wasn't even a country from 1917 to 1991 -- it was a republic and ethnicity within the country of the Soviet Union. But a Russian Jew living in Moldova, for instance, would not consider themselves Moldovan, nor would the people in Moldova consider them Moldovan.

While it's a separate historical point, I don't think there were a ton of Ukrainian Jews that survived the Holocaust. My husband's family was from a Jewish town in the Ukraine and literally the entire town was killed.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 14:41     Subject: Re:Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:He is so painfully unfunny and obnoxious and full of himself. She is a mean-girl bore who isn't attractive without makeup.


You've met her?
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 14:40     Subject: Re:Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:She is a mean-girl bore who isn't attractive without makeup.


She's not meaner than you, but she is 100x more attractive than you. Without make up.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 14:30     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:So, let me get this straight, you picked up on her interrupting him, but not on his yellow head band?!! And about her accent that you imagined? But, not about his saying like, like, like, like and being the teacher! Note to op, when you see a woman think how can I prop her up and make the sister feel good. Second note, do not try to find a tiniest issue with a woman to bring her down while thinking a MAN should be irritated if he is interrupted!
Third note, what makes you want to tear other women down? And lick men's .......pride? How insecure are you that this is what makes you happy?


I agree with this one.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2020 14:12     Subject: Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher
Anonymous wrote:I've always liked them both and think that they have a genuine relationship with each other.

They are involved parents and the homeschooling thing with their kids doesn't surprise me at all. Doesn't Ashton hold a degree in Engineering?

I'm glad that these two seem to have their priorities straight. I think they're the real deal which is a refreshing change from the fluff and nonsense that comprise a lot of Hollywood relationships these days.

As far as Mila's accent goes, she sounds the same to me as she always has.


^Correction - I looked it up and it appears that Ashton studied Biochemical Engineering at U of Iowa but left school to pursue modeling/acting. Regardless, he must have been a decent student to be admitted into Biochemical Engineering.