Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am listening to a radio interview about this now. A doctor in NY was saying that he has given it to 375+ patients in New York and and they have all recovered.

Dear God.

Are we on the verge of a breakthrough?

Short answer: no. Long answer: also no.

and you know this based on what?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It hasn’t been scientifically proven yet, period. There is a risk of serious adverse effects.

Know what is scientifically prove? Social distancing. Physical distancing. Good hygiene. Using the healthcare system only when necessary, instead of flooding it with panic requests for drugs, tests, etc.

Don’t you need to test things in order to prove something scientifically? Why wouldn’t you support the formalization of an option to participate in a research study and waive all risk? Why couldn’t this be rolled out across major hospital systems with health insurance support? Those paying health insurance subsidize the cost for every single person that is uninsured. There is an economic and health argument that should be considered. I don’t think it’s sensible to casually dismiss it so quickly.

Let’s help the scientists do their work, and give people the option to try something risky. Every single medical act - every one - carries a risk. Let’s take a look at it, and weight it. It may surprise you how much we can get done if we look at the problem as an opportunity to improve the circumstances instead of a reason to fear the possibility of failure.

It IS being tested. WHO has an initiative that is allowing countries to test Various options and share information it so it WILL become scientifically proven. Let the scientists and doctors do their work, and leave anecdata to be anecdata in the meantime.

nobody is against studies, to the contrary people want studies to be done ASAP. but also, many people don't have the time to wait for results. if someone shoots at you you move rather than wait for the proof that trajectory of the bullet will hit you at the place that will be more damaging vs. probability of being hit by a car while running away.

Anonymous wrote:I am listening to a radio interview about this now. A doctor in NY was saying that he has given it to 375+ patients in New York and and they have all recovered.

Dear God.

Are we on the verge of a breakthrough?

Short answer: no. Long answer: also no.

Anonymous wrote:I am listening to a radio interview about this now. A doctor in NY was saying that he has given it to 375+ patients in New York and and they have all recovered.

Dear God.

Are we on the verge of a breakthrough?

What radio show was this on?

Anonymous wrote:I am listening to a radio interview about this now. A doctor in NY was saying that he has given it to 375+ patients in New York and and they have all recovered.

Dear God.

Are we on the verge of a breakthrough?

Please provide a link.

Anonymous wrote:I am listening to a radio interview about this now. A doctor in NY was saying that he has given it to 375+ patients in New York and and they have all recovered.

Dear God.

Are we on the verge of a breakthrough?

How many would recover without? 99%?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have to be really careful about how much to take. Just a little bit too much could kill you. Plus you have to take it with Azithromyacin.

Great. So, give it in the right dose with azithromyacin. I can promise you that if one of my loved ones comes down with this, I will move heaven and earth to get this drug to them.

No one knows what “the right dose” is without it being studied. And taken together they can increase the risk of fatal cardiac arrhythmia.

This was one tiny study that started with 26 patients taking it and 16 in the control group. But the results included only 20 patients taking it. Because three patients were transferred to the ICU, one died, one withdrew due to nausea, and one left the hospital. These are the kind of results that warrant further testing, NOT that further giving a drug combo with possible heart and poisoning side effects to hundreds of thousands of people and tweeting about it to millions, instantly limiting the supply to the patients that actually need it.

please stop the fear mongering. the side effects and interaction of hydroxychloroquine are extremely well known and extensively studied. nobody is prescribing this for the heck of it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It hasn’t been scientifically proven yet, period. There is a risk of serious adverse effects.

Know what is scientifically prove? Social distancing. Physical distancing. Good hygiene. Using the healthcare system only when necessary, instead of flooding it with panic requests for drugs, tests, etc.

Don’t you need to test things in order to prove something scientifically? Why wouldn’t you support the formalization of an option to participate in a research study and waive all risk? Why couldn’t this be rolled out across major hospital systems with health insurance support? Those paying health insurance subsidize the cost for every single person that is uninsured. There is an economic and health argument that should be considered. I don’t think it’s sensible to casually dismiss it so quickly.

Let’s help the scientists do their work, and give people the option to try something risky. Every single medical act - every one - carries a risk. Let’s take a look at it, and weight it. It may surprise you how much we can get done if we look at the problem as an opportunity to improve the circumstances instead of a reason to fear the possibility of failure.

It IS being tested. WHO has an initiative that is allowing countries to test Various options and share information it so it WILL become scientifically proven. Let the scientists and doctors do their work, and leave anecdata to be anecdata in the meantime.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It hasn’t been scientifically proven yet, period. There is a risk of serious adverse effects.

Know what is scientifically prove? Social distancing. Physical distancing. Good hygiene. Using the healthcare system only when necessary, instead of flooding it with panic requests for drugs, tests, etc.

Don’t you need to test things in order to prove something scientifically? Why wouldn’t you support the formalization of an option to participate in a research study and waive all risk? Why couldn’t this be rolled out across major hospital systems with health insurance support? Those paying health insurance subsidize the cost for every single person that is uninsured. There is an economic and health argument that should be considered. I don’t think it’s sensible to casually dismiss it so quickly.

Let’s help the scientists do their work, and give people the option to try something risky. Every single medical act - every one - carries a risk. Let’s take a look at it, and weight it. It may surprise you how much we can get done if we look at the problem as an opportunity to improve the circumstances instead of a reason to fear the possibility of failure.

there are countless trials across the world for hydroxychloroquine as a covid19 treatment and/or prophylaxis. university of MN is recruiting people exposed to the virus for a huge prospective study. you can sign up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have to be really careful about how much to take. Just a little bit too much could kill you. Plus you have to take it with Azithromyacin.

Great. So, give it in the right dose with azithromyacin. I can promise you that if one of my loved ones comes down with this, I will move heaven and earth to get this drug to them.

No one knows what “the right dose” is without it being studied. And taken together they can increase the risk of fatal cardiac arrhythmia.

This was one tiny study that started with 26 patients taking it and 16 in the control group. But the results included only 20 patients taking it. Because three patients were transferred to the ICU, one died, one withdrew due to nausea, and one left the hospital. These are the kind of results that warrant further testing, NOT that further giving a drug combo with possible heart and poisoning side effects to hundreds of thousands of people and tweeting about it to millions, instantly limiting the supply to the patients that actually need it.

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't all hospitalized cornonavirus patients given this drug immediately? If it doesn't work on them, it doesn't work but so much promise that it could.

What dose should be given? What if the dose you prescribed is too low and the viruses that survive are now immune to the drug? What if you does too high and cause health problems?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have to be really careful about how much to take. Just a little bit too much could kill you. Plus you have to take it with Azithromyacin.

Great. So, give it in the right dose with azithromyacin. I can promise you that if one of my loved ones comes down with this, I will move heaven and earth to get this drug to them.

You won't have to. Doctors will give it when needed.

Anonymous wrote:I am listening to a radio interview about this now. A doctor in NY was saying that he has given it to 375+ patients in New York and and they have all recovered.

Dear God.

Are we on the verge of a breakthrough?

No lie, I have been praying the following prayer:

Bless the minds and mechanisms of all scientists, practitioners, and authorities working together for the greater good of humanity on a cure. Allow scientific breakthrough to be released in the universe that will provide rapid solutions and help save lives. Support a spirit of collaboration and trust, with goodwill and accuracy in the work, comprehensiveness in the approach, and supportive resources to get the work done. Where there is evil, corruption, or selfishness blocking progress and a greater good benefitting from the work, remove those impediments, and replace them with strong, sound, wise leadership that can move things in the right direction.

I pray this prayer every day. I pray that doctors don’t burnout, I pray that cures are quickly discovered, that resources are plentiful and there is enough, without lack.

When all I can do is hope, it helps *me* to try to do it in a constructive way. I hope the universe is listening.

Anonymous wrote:It hasn’t been scientifically proven yet, period. There is a risk of serious adverse effects.

Know what is scientifically prove? Social distancing. Physical distancing. Good hygiene. Using the healthcare system only when necessary, instead of flooding it with panic requests for drugs, tests, etc.

Don’t you need to test things in order to prove something scientifically? Why wouldn’t you support the formalization of an option to participate in a research study and waive all risk? Why couldn’t this be rolled out across major hospital systems with health insurance support? Those paying health insurance subsidize the cost for every single person that is uninsured. There is an economic and health argument that should be considered. I don’t think it’s sensible to casually dismiss it so quickly.

Let’s help the scientists do their work, and give people the option to try something risky. Every single medical act - every one - carries a risk. Let’s take a look at it, and weight it. It may surprise you how much we can get done if we look at the problem as an opportunity to improve the circumstances instead of a reason to fear the possibility of failure.

I am listening to a radio interview about this now. A doctor in NY was saying that he has given it to 375+ patients in New York and and they have all recovered.

Dear God.

Are we on the verge of a breakthrough?