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Anonymous wrote:I'd never buy a Tesla, much less a used Tesla.

Don't buy a used Tesla from a non-Tesla dealer. It's well known that Tesla will uninstall features from used vehicles not purchased from them because the second owner never paid for these features. The features that came with the car are only licensed for use by the original owner, not any future owners.

+1 to all.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd never buy a Tesla, much less a used Tesla.

Don't buy a used Tesla from a non-Tesla dealer. It's well known that Tesla will uninstall features from used vehicles not purchased from them because the second owner never paid for these features. The features that came with the car are only licensed for use by the original owner, not any future owners.

That makes sense, thanks. Why would you never buy a Tesla?

I'd love to know too as I'm thinking of buying one as well.

PP here. Tesla's have poor build quality, fit and finish, cheap materials, and uncertain factory support. You can google these things to see for yourself. Their owners are mostly very devout fanboys who are willing to put up with a lot of crap. It's a gadget with wheels. I just spent over 100k on a new car, so it's not about the money. Tesla's are great cars for a certain type of people. My wife is among those that would want one. But not me.

fully agree with this analysis. also, they battery life is shorter in cold weather. additionally, I believe Teslas are no longer eligible for the tax breaks because they have reached their quota. (Tax breaks were eligible for the first 200,000 sales or something like that.). Companies like Mercedes and Porsche will soon introduce electric models that will be far superior to Teslas both in terms of build quality and battery range. Additionally, they have stable leadership. Musk has been running the company like a Ponzi scheme and who knows if it will even be around in a decade. He makes people preorder/pay down payments to finance his current obligations. He can't borrow from Peter to pay Paul forever.

This is fake news

With a response like this, you are not helping the pro-Tesla side of the argument. The issues I listed out are well documented - again, all you have to do is google it. Tesla owners are a loyal bunch and are willing to put up with a lot in the name of braving this new world.

Unlike the PP, I am actually a big fan of Elon Musk. As an Electrical Engineer, I know that electric cars are the future. It's inevitable. However, Elon was the personality that pushed this industry ahead by 10-20 years. It's rare for a person to be such a visionary in so many areas to not just talk the big talk, but be able to achieve such a high level of accomplishment. Any trained engineer that has seen one of the earlier live feeds of a successful Space-X launch with returning rocket boosters cried an emotional tear because that's the level of achievement Elon is capable of. Personality flaws aside, Elon is a great man, many times greater than Steve Jobs, possibly matching Bill Gates in due time.

The big brands have taken their time to release their own electric vehicles, without some of the gimmicky technology, but better build quality and materials. IMO, that's the right balance.

And your response is a ridiculous collection of conjecture and falsehoods.
They had some issues with build quality at the beginning of the manufacturing process of the M3, but things are far better now. Same with factory support.
Other companies are planning cars that would, in theory, beat the range of current Teslas, but by the time they come out, Tesla will have improved their range as well.
It cracks me up when people try to stereotype any car type's owner, but yours is especially amusing.
Do you know why I have a M3? Because it's an utterly fantastic car that I love to drive, has great range with tons of Supercharger stations, and has been totally trouble free. Not only that, but in the year I've had it, they pushed out numerous upgrades straight to the car. None of the Tesla owners I know are devoted fanboys in any way.
It's simply the best electric car on the market right now.

LOL, you say my response is a collection of conjecture and falsehoods, but then confirms the fact that Tesla build quality has issues. Here's the latest assessment from Car and Driver about the 2020 Model S:

https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-s

"The cabin's atmosphere is nice enough, but it's not nearly as plush as those of our favorites such as the Mercedes-Benz E-class and the Volvo S90. A few missteps, such as poorly aligned interior panels, remind us that Tesla is still working through some growing pains as a new carmaker."

Again, I am not making this up, it's available for anyone to look up and see.

In your entire post where you talk about your love for your Model 3, all of it has to do with peculiarities of owning an electric vehicle: over the air upgrades, charging stations, concerns of range. There is nothing about the feeling of driving and comfort. You exemplify the typical Tesla driver - you bought the Tesla because it's a neat gadget, not because it's a great car.

DP. 1. Who cares? 2. The Model 3 is actually very fun to drive.

Thanks for proving my point that Tesla fanboys are willing to put up with a lot of crap because "who cares."

Tesla drivers are willing to put up with some of the valid issues you point out because it's a fantastic car. Most people are smart enough to be able to weigh good/bad when buying a car...it's not a matter of "who cares".
My Model 3 is, to put it simply, the best car I've ever bought/driven. The tech is fantastic, the drive is wonderful, and the price is reasonable for what you get. Luckily, my car didn't have any build problems (I inspected it thoroughly before taking delivery) and hasn't had any issues yet.
It's sad that you apparently can't envision anyone liking these cars without being a "fanboy". Says more about you than it does us.

Yes, most people are smart enough to weigh pros/cons when buying a car and people prioritize different things. Are BMW drivers fanboys because they're willing to spend so much time and $ on repairs?

Oh what a dumbass. Tesla is ranked lower in reliability as a brand than BMW according to consumer reports. LMAO!

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Anonymous wrote:I'd never buy a Tesla, much less a used Tesla.

Don't buy a used Tesla from a non-Tesla dealer. It's well known that Tesla will uninstall features from used vehicles not purchased from them because the second owner never paid for these features. The features that came with the car are only licensed for use by the original owner, not any future owners.

That makes sense, thanks. Why would you never buy a Tesla?

I'd love to know too as I'm thinking of buying one as well.

PP here. Tesla's have poor build quality, fit and finish, cheap materials, and uncertain factory support. You can google these things to see for yourself. Their owners are mostly very devout fanboys who are willing to put up with a lot of crap. It's a gadget with wheels. I just spent over 100k on a new car, so it's not about the money. Tesla's are great cars for a certain type of people. My wife is among those that would want one. But not me.

fully agree with this analysis. also, they battery life is shorter in cold weather. additionally, I believe Teslas are no longer eligible for the tax breaks because they have reached their quota. (Tax breaks were eligible for the first 200,000 sales or something like that.). Companies like Mercedes and Porsche will soon introduce electric models that will be far superior to Teslas both in terms of build quality and battery range. Additionally, they have stable leadership. Musk has been running the company like a Ponzi scheme and who knows if it will even be around in a decade. He makes people preorder/pay down payments to finance his current obligations. He can't borrow from Peter to pay Paul forever.

This is fake news

With a response like this, you are not helping the pro-Tesla side of the argument. The issues I listed out are well documented - again, all you have to do is google it. Tesla owners are a loyal bunch and are willing to put up with a lot in the name of braving this new world.

Unlike the PP, I am actually a big fan of Elon Musk. As an Electrical Engineer, I know that electric cars are the future. It's inevitable. However, Elon was the personality that pushed this industry ahead by 10-20 years. It's rare for a person to be such a visionary in so many areas to not just talk the big talk, but be able to achieve such a high level of accomplishment. Any trained engineer that has seen one of the earlier live feeds of a successful Space-X launch with returning rocket boosters cried an emotional tear because that's the level of achievement Elon is capable of. Personality flaws aside, Elon is a great man, many times greater than Steve Jobs, possibly matching Bill Gates in due time.

The big brands have taken their time to release their own electric vehicles, without some of the gimmicky technology, but better build quality and materials. IMO, that's the right balance.

And your response is a ridiculous collection of conjecture and falsehoods.
They had some issues with build quality at the beginning of the manufacturing process of the M3, but things are far better now. Same with factory support.
Other companies are planning cars that would, in theory, beat the range of current Teslas, but by the time they come out, Tesla will have improved their range as well.
It cracks me up when people try to stereotype any car type's owner, but yours is especially amusing.
Do you know why I have a M3? Because it's an utterly fantastic car that I love to drive, has great range with tons of Supercharger stations, and has been totally trouble free. Not only that, but in the year I've had it, they pushed out numerous upgrades straight to the car. None of the Tesla owners I know are devoted fanboys in any way.
It's simply the best electric car on the market right now.

LOL, you say my response is a collection of conjecture and falsehoods, but then confirms the fact that Tesla build quality has issues. Here's the latest assessment from Car and Driver about the 2020 Model S:

https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-s

"The cabin's atmosphere is nice enough, but it's not nearly as plush as those of our favorites such as the Mercedes-Benz E-class and the Volvo S90. A few missteps, such as poorly aligned interior panels, remind us that Tesla is still working through some growing pains as a new carmaker."

Again, I am not making this up, it's available for anyone to look up and see.

In your entire post where you talk about your love for your Model 3, all of it has to do with peculiarities of owning an electric vehicle: over the air upgrades, charging stations, concerns of range. There is nothing about the feeling of driving and comfort. You exemplify the typical Tesla driver - you bought the Tesla because it's a neat gadget, not because it's a great car.

DP. 1. Who cares? 2. The Model 3 is actually very fun to drive.

Thanks for proving my point that Tesla fanboys are willing to put up with a lot of crap because "who cares."

Tesla drivers are willing to put up with some of the valid issues you point out because it's a fantastic car. Most people are smart enough to be able to weigh good/bad when buying a car...it's not a matter of "who cares".
My Model 3 is, to put it simply, the best car I've ever bought/driven. The tech is fantastic, the drive is wonderful, and the price is reasonable for what you get. Luckily, my car didn't have any build problems (I inspected it thoroughly before taking delivery) and hasn't had any issues yet.
It's sad that you apparently can't envision anyone liking these cars without being a "fanboy". Says more about you than it does us.

Yes, most people are smart enough to weigh pros/cons when buying a car and people prioritize different things. Are BMW drivers fanboys because they're willing to spend so much time and $ on repairs?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd never buy a Tesla, much less a used Tesla.

Don't buy a used Tesla from a non-Tesla dealer. It's well known that Tesla will uninstall features from used vehicles not purchased from them because the second owner never paid for these features. The features that came with the car are only licensed for use by the original owner, not any future owners.

That makes sense, thanks. Why would you never buy a Tesla?

I'd love to know too as I'm thinking of buying one as well.

PP here. Tesla's have poor build quality, fit and finish, cheap materials, and uncertain factory support. You can google these things to see for yourself. Their owners are mostly very devout fanboys who are willing to put up with a lot of crap. It's a gadget with wheels. I just spent over 100k on a new car, so it's not about the money. Tesla's are great cars for a certain type of people. My wife is among those that would want one. But not me.

fully agree with this analysis. also, they battery life is shorter in cold weather. additionally, I believe Teslas are no longer eligible for the tax breaks because they have reached their quota. (Tax breaks were eligible for the first 200,000 sales or something like that.). Companies like Mercedes and Porsche will soon introduce electric models that will be far superior to Teslas both in terms of build quality and battery range. Additionally, they have stable leadership. Musk has been running the company like a Ponzi scheme and who knows if it will even be around in a decade. He makes people preorder/pay down payments to finance his current obligations. He can't borrow from Peter to pay Paul forever.

This is fake news

With a response like this, you are not helping the pro-Tesla side of the argument. The issues I listed out are well documented - again, all you have to do is google it. Tesla owners are a loyal bunch and are willing to put up with a lot in the name of braving this new world.

Unlike the PP, I am actually a big fan of Elon Musk. As an Electrical Engineer, I know that electric cars are the future. It's inevitable. However, Elon was the personality that pushed this industry ahead by 10-20 years. It's rare for a person to be such a visionary in so many areas to not just talk the big talk, but be able to achieve such a high level of accomplishment. Any trained engineer that has seen one of the earlier live feeds of a successful Space-X launch with returning rocket boosters cried an emotional tear because that's the level of achievement Elon is capable of. Personality flaws aside, Elon is a great man, many times greater than Steve Jobs, possibly matching Bill Gates in due time.

The big brands have taken their time to release their own electric vehicles, without some of the gimmicky technology, but better build quality and materials. IMO, that's the right balance.

And your response is a ridiculous collection of conjecture and falsehoods.
They had some issues with build quality at the beginning of the manufacturing process of the M3, but things are far better now. Same with factory support.
Other companies are planning cars that would, in theory, beat the range of current Teslas, but by the time they come out, Tesla will have improved their range as well.
It cracks me up when people try to stereotype any car type's owner, but yours is especially amusing.
Do you know why I have a M3? Because it's an utterly fantastic car that I love to drive, has great range with tons of Supercharger stations, and has been totally trouble free. Not only that, but in the year I've had it, they pushed out numerous upgrades straight to the car. None of the Tesla owners I know are devoted fanboys in any way.
It's simply the best electric car on the market right now.

LOL, you say my response is a collection of conjecture and falsehoods, but then confirms the fact that Tesla build quality has issues. Here's the latest assessment from Car and Driver about the 2020 Model S:

https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-s

"The cabin's atmosphere is nice enough, but it's not nearly as plush as those of our favorites such as the Mercedes-Benz E-class and the Volvo S90. A few missteps, such as poorly aligned interior panels, remind us that Tesla is still working through some growing pains as a new carmaker."

Again, I am not making this up, it's available for anyone to look up and see.

In your entire post where you talk about your love for your Model 3, all of it has to do with peculiarities of owning an electric vehicle: over the air upgrades, charging stations, concerns of range. There is nothing about the feeling of driving and comfort. You exemplify the typical Tesla driver - you bought the Tesla because it's a neat gadget, not because it's a great car.

DP. 1. Who cares? 2. The Model 3 is actually very fun to drive.

Thanks for proving my point that Tesla fanboys are willing to put up with a lot of crap because "who cares."

Tesla drivers are willing to put up with some of the valid issues you point out because it's a fantastic car. Most people are smart enough to be able to weigh good/bad when buying a car...it's not a matter of "who cares".
My Model 3 is, to put it simply, the best car I've ever bought/driven. The tech is fantastic, the drive is wonderful, and the price is reasonable for what you get. Luckily, my car didn't have any build problems (I inspected it thoroughly before taking delivery) and hasn't had any issues yet.
It's sad that you apparently can't envision anyone liking these cars without being a "fanboy". Says more about you than it does us.

Anonymous wrote:I don't have an ax to grind but Tesla is fast becoming a vehicle for the nerds - dudes who are gadget geeks.... Revenge of the Nerds?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd never buy a Tesla, much less a used Tesla.

Don't buy a used Tesla from a non-Tesla dealer. It's well known that Tesla will uninstall features from used vehicles not purchased from them because the second owner never paid for these features. The features that came with the car are only licensed for use by the original owner, not any future owners.

That makes sense, thanks. Why would you never buy a Tesla?

I'd love to know too as I'm thinking of buying one as well.

PP here. Tesla's have poor build quality, fit and finish, cheap materials, and uncertain factory support. You can google these things to see for yourself. Their owners are mostly very devout fanboys who are willing to put up with a lot of crap. It's a gadget with wheels. I just spent over 100k on a new car, so it's not about the money. Tesla's are great cars for a certain type of people. My wife is among those that would want one. But not me.

fully agree with this analysis. also, they battery life is shorter in cold weather. additionally, I believe Teslas are no longer eligible for the tax breaks because they have reached their quota. (Tax breaks were eligible for the first 200,000 sales or something like that.). Companies like Mercedes and Porsche will soon introduce electric models that will be far superior to Teslas both in terms of build quality and battery range. Additionally, they have stable leadership. Musk has been running the company like a Ponzi scheme and who knows if it will even be around in a decade. He makes people preorder/pay down payments to finance his current obligations. He can't borrow from Peter to pay Paul forever.

This is fake news

With a response like this, you are not helping the pro-Tesla side of the argument. The issues I listed out are well documented - again, all you have to do is google it. Tesla owners are a loyal bunch and are willing to put up with a lot in the name of braving this new world.

Unlike the PP, I am actually a big fan of Elon Musk. As an Electrical Engineer, I know that electric cars are the future. It's inevitable. However, Elon was the personality that pushed this industry ahead by 10-20 years. It's rare for a person to be such a visionary in so many areas to not just talk the big talk, but be able to achieve such a high level of accomplishment. Any trained engineer that has seen one of the earlier live feeds of a successful Space-X launch with returning rocket boosters cried an emotional tear because that's the level of achievement Elon is capable of. Personality flaws aside, Elon is a great man, many times greater than Steve Jobs, possibly matching Bill Gates in due time.

The big brands have taken their time to release their own electric vehicles, without some of the gimmicky technology, but better build quality and materials. IMO, that's the right balance.

And your response is a ridiculous collection of conjecture and falsehoods.
They had some issues with build quality at the beginning of the manufacturing process of the M3, but things are far better now. Same with factory support.
Other companies are planning cars that would, in theory, beat the range of current Teslas, but by the time they come out, Tesla will have improved their range as well.
It cracks me up when people try to stereotype any car type's owner, but yours is especially amusing.
Do you know why I have a M3? Because it's an utterly fantastic car that I love to drive, has great range with tons of Supercharger stations, and has been totally trouble free. Not only that, but in the year I've had it, they pushed out numerous upgrades straight to the car. None of the Tesla owners I know are devoted fanboys in any way.
It's simply the best electric car on the market right now.

LOL, you say my response is a collection of conjecture and falsehoods, but then confirms the fact that Tesla build quality has issues. Here's the latest assessment from Car and Driver about the 2020 Model S:

https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-s

"The cabin's atmosphere is nice enough, but it's not nearly as plush as those of our favorites such as the Mercedes-Benz E-class and the Volvo S90. A few missteps, such as poorly aligned interior panels, remind us that Tesla is still working through some growing pains as a new carmaker."

Again, I am not making this up, it's available for anyone to look up and see.

In your entire post where you talk about your love for your Model 3, all of it has to do with peculiarities of owning an electric vehicle: over the air upgrades, charging stations, concerns of range. There is nothing about the feeling of driving and comfort. You exemplify the typical Tesla driver - you bought the Tesla because it's a neat gadget, not because it's a great car.

DP. 1. Who cares? 2. The Model 3 is actually very fun to drive.

Thanks for proving my point that Tesla fanboys are willing to put up with a lot of crap because "who cares."

Tesla drivers are willing to put up with some of the valid issues you point out because it's a fantastic car. Most people are smart enough to be able to weigh good/bad when buying a car...it's not a matter of "who cares".
My Model 3 is, to put it simply, the best car I've ever bought/driven. The tech is fantastic, the drive is wonderful, and the price is reasonable for what you get. Luckily, my car didn't have any build problems (I inspected it thoroughly before taking delivery) and hasn't had any issues yet.
It's sad that you apparently can't envision anyone liking these cars without being a "fanboy". Says more about you than it does us.