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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

This is a huge generalization. Do you know all Ward 3 parents?

NP. My kids are almost done with Wilson and we were a Lafayette family. The sentiments that PPP noted above are 100% accurate. It may be a minority of white parents that think this way, BUT THEY DO EXIST!! I witnessed it with my own eyes. As a URM family - it was disgusting and disheartening to think that you are in a community with people that think this way. It's not a generalization or overstatement.

Yup, we were around the CCDC neighborhood during the last round of the boundary process - it brought out the most absolute ugliness of my neighbors.

Of course they exist. Some white people will fight like hell to keep their children from going to school with black children. They existed fifty years ago and they exist now.


Anyway, one can set their watch to this thread appearing every 6 months or so. Shepherd will not be removed from the Deal/Wilson feeder, despite the wishes of a few racists WOTP. There is no reason to do it and the parents in SES catchment are way too politically powerful, even if you exclude the Mayor herself.

This is a stupid comment. Both Deal and Wilson are very diverse and Shepherd is not even close to being all AA anyhow.

Shepherd makes sense to move because well geez it is the closest school to McFarland and Deal is ridiculously over crowded.

It also makes sense to move Lafayette because well it is the next closest school and Deal is ridiculously overcrowded.

And sure Shepherd is small but 50-75 kids per grade is not insignificant either but that is also why another school needs to be moved at the same time. And there really is only one other school that makes sense.

Shepherd is still 78% AA according to the most recent data. I would call that “close” to being all AA.

The two schools always discussed being removed are Shepherd and Bancroft, the two schools that provide the largest number of minority students. I find it so troubling that people are so nonchalant about this. Bigotry is just disgusting. Rich white people hoard the resources.

Another dumb comment.

On a per capita basis the WOTP schools get way less money than the EOTP schools. Which is fine as they have more needs. But this is not about resource hoarding.

Not every damn kid in the city can go to Deal and Wilson.

The enormous size of those two schools is a problem. They are overcrowded and out of room to expand. Classes are jammed. There isn't enough field time. Kids chances of making sports teams are very low.

Meanwhile we have half and two-thirds empty DCPS buildings across the city and these schools don't have the numbers to have vigorous elective programs and often don't even have enough kids to field sports teams, bands and school plays.

At some level there is an issue that some AA parents seem to think it is impossible to have high performing schools EOTP which implies that there is some problem with all things EOTP.

But Deal and Wilson are not desirable because because they are in Tenleytown - they are desirable because they are good schools and that, as much as anything else is a reflection of their SES mix.

And duplicating the SES mix at Deal and Wilson really should not be hard, particularly because of gentrification EOTP and also because Deal & Wilson don't actually have that many low income kids something all of these people who keep trying to inject race into the discussion are really happy to ignore.

If you limited MacFarland to Shepherd, Bancroft and Lafayette it would be a smaller, whiter and wealthier demographic than Deal is and the kids attending on balance would have much shorter commutes to school.

And maybe if you did that both Macfarland and Deal could actually take some low income AA kids who would really benefit from attending one of those schools which should be something the parents who keep injecting race into this care about but of course I think at this point we know those folks don't actually care about low income AA kids and only care about themselves because the current system really isn't doing a good job of serving low income kids.

The mid and upper grades at Shepherd are still predominantly AA. Someone correct me if this has changed recently, but I believe the test scores still cannot be broken out by white race since there are < 10 white students in each testing grade.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

This is a huge generalization. Do you know all Ward 3 parents?

NP. My kids are almost done with Wilson and we were a Lafayette family. The sentiments that PPP noted above are 100% accurate. It may be a minority of white parents that think this way, BUT THEY DO EXIST!! I witnessed it with my own eyes. As a URM family - it was disgusting and disheartening to think that you are in a community with people that think this way. It's not a generalization or overstatement.

Yup, we were around the CCDC neighborhood during the last round of the boundary process - it brought out the most absolute ugliness of my neighbors.

Of course they exist. Some white people will fight like hell to keep their children from going to school with black children. They existed fifty years ago and they exist now.


Anyway, one can set their watch to this thread appearing every 6 months or so. Shepherd will not be removed from the Deal/Wilson feeder, despite the wishes of a few racists WOTP. There is no reason to do it and the parents in SES catchment are way too politically powerful, even if you exclude the Mayor herself.

This is a stupid comment. Both Deal and Wilson are very diverse and Shepherd is not even close to being all AA anyhow.

Shepherd makes sense to move because well geez it is the closest school to McFarland and Deal is ridiculously over crowded.

It also makes sense to move Lafayette because well it is the next closest school and Deal is ridiculously overcrowded.

And sure Shepherd is small but 50-75 kids per grade is not insignificant either but that is also why another school needs to be moved at the same time. And there really is only one other school that makes sense.

Shepherd is still 78% AA according to the most recent data. I would call that “close” to being all AA.

The two schools always discussed being removed are Shepherd and Bancroft, the two schools that provide the largest number of minority students. I find it so troubling that people are so nonchalant about this. Bigotry is just disgusting. Rich white people hoard the resources.

Lafayette also is often mentioned but I guess it's convenient for you not to mention that because it does not fit your ignorant generalizations. Geographically, Shepherd and Bancroft are the prime candidates to rezone; just look at a map. So it's not odd or racist to point that out. The only reason not to rezone one or both of those schools is race. So you have it completely backwards.

Also, Deal and Wilson effectively get the least resources in D.C. The DCPS budget formula shafts these schools and in general punish large schools that tend to be WOTP by providing them lower per pupil funding even as their costs of operating schools above capacity increase. This is one reason why Wilson cannot even afford paper.

One correction to another post: Shepherd is now 67% AA - https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0313

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We aren’t a white family either but I would find it odd that the lovely and Generous people we have met in dc would treat kids this way.

Not doubting anyone but I guess I have a lot of faith in people I barely know.

It’s really bad. You may want to even reconsider wanting Deal. There are some very racist and classist families that go to Deal. It really comes out when their kids don’t make the b-ball team.

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We aren’t a white family either but I would find it odd that the lovely and Generous people we have met in dc would treat kids this way.

Not doubting anyone but I guess I have a lot of faith in people I barely know.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

This is a huge generalization. Do you know all Ward 3 parents?

NP. My kids are almost done with Wilson and we were a Lafayette family. The sentiments that PPP noted above are 100% accurate. It may be a minority of white parents that think this way, BUT THEY DO EXIST!! I witnessed it with my own eyes. As a URM family - it was disgusting and disheartening to think that you are in a community with people that think this way. It's not a generalization or overstatement.

Yup, we were around the CCDC neighborhood during the last round of the boundary process - it brought out the most absolute ugliness of my neighbors.

Of course they exist. Some white people will fight like hell to keep their children from going to school with black children. They existed fifty years ago and they exist now.


Anyway, one can set their watch to this thread appearing every 6 months or so. Shepherd will not be removed from the Deal/Wilson feeder, despite the wishes of a few racists WOTP. There is no reason to do it and the parents in SES catchment are way too politically powerful, even if you exclude the Mayor herself.

This is a stupid comment. Both Deal and Wilson are very diverse and Shepherd is not even close to being all AA anyhow.

Shepherd makes sense to move because well geez it is the closest school to McFarland and Deal is ridiculously over crowded.

It also makes sense to move Lafayette because well it is the next closest school and Deal is ridiculously overcrowded.

And sure Shepherd is small but 50-75 kids per grade is not insignificant either but that is also why another school needs to be moved at the same time. And there really is only one other school that makes sense.

Shepherd is still 78% AA according to the most recent data. I would call that “close” to being all AA.

The two schools always discussed being removed are Shepherd and Bancroft, the two schools that provide the largest number of minority students. I find it so troubling that people are so nonchalant about this. Bigotry is just disgusting. Rich white people hoard the resources.

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Anonymous wrote:It is 50 kids TOTAL from SES that graduate each year to Deal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

50 kids across 3 grades = 150 kids. Definitely not a drop in the bucket. And you know it.

Which is not insignificant - that is 10% of the total of the 6th and 8th grade classes. That alone doesn't solve Deal's enrollment problems but it gets you a good part of the way there.

Untrue! The teams at Deal are 125 students. It isn’t even one team.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

This is a huge generalization. Do you know all Ward 3 parents?

NP. My kids are almost done with Wilson and we were a Lafayette family. The sentiments that PPP noted above are 100% accurate. It may be a minority of white parents that think this way, BUT THEY DO EXIST!! I witnessed it with my own eyes. As a URM family - it was disgusting and disheartening to think that you are in a community with people that think this way. It's not a generalization or overstatement.

Yup, we were around the CCDC neighborhood during the last round of the boundary process - it brought out the most absolute ugliness of my neighbors.

Of course they exist. Some white people will fight like hell to keep their children from going to school with black children. They existed fifty years ago and they exist now.


Anyway, one can set their watch to this thread appearing every 6 months or so. Shepherd will not be removed from the Deal/Wilson feeder, despite the wishes of a few racists WOTP. There is no reason to do it and the parents in SES catchment are way too politically powerful, even if you exclude the Mayor herself.

This is a stupid comment. Both Deal and Wilson are very diverse and Shepherd is not even close to being all AA anyhow.

Shepherd makes sense to move because well geez it is the closest school to McFarland and Deal is ridiculously over crowded.

It also makes sense to move Lafayette because well it is the next closest school and Deal is ridiculously overcrowded.

And sure Shepherd is small but 50-75 kids per grade is not insignificant either but that is also why another school needs to be moved at the same time. And there really is only one other school that makes sense.

Shepherd is still 78% AA according to the most recent data. I would call that “close” to being all AA.

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Anonymous wrote:Eaton did not get a long Grandfathering period.

Just an FYI - Deal is over capacity and expected to get even more crowded. I have no idea where they are going to put an additional 300 students

Why should EOTP schools stay in Deal when closer WOTP schools get tru shaft ? Makes no sense at all.

Optics and politics. No reason involved.

Anonymous wrote:Eaton did not get a long Grandfathering period.

Just an FYI - Deal is over capacity and expected to get even more crowded. I have no idea where they are going to put an additional 300 students

Why should EOTP schools stay in Deal when closer WOTP schools get tru shaft ? Makes no sense at all.

Anonymous wrote:When is the last year for the grandfathered boundaries (16th St Heights etc.) to go to Deal? Approximately how many of the grandfathered kids per year go to Deal each year?

Will Deal still be overcrowded once this takes effect?

I don't know when grandfathering ends (cause it's not gonna affect us) but my kids go to Deal. And we love our big house, our neighbors and the free bus that comes by to pick up and drop off our kids every school day.

When is the last year for the grandfathered boundaries (16th St Heights etc.) to go to Deal? Approximately how many of the grandfathered kids per year go to Deal each year?

Will Deal still be overcrowded once this takes effect?

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Anonymous wrote:It is 50 kids TOTAL from SES that graduate each year to Deal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

50 kids across 3 grades = 150 kids. Definitely not a drop in the bucket. And you know it.

Which is not insignificant - that is 10% of the total of the 6th and 8th grade classes. That alone doesn't solve Deal's enrollment problems but it gets you a good part of the way there.

Closer to 40 kids. Also there are other council people that live in SP.

Anonymous wrote:It is 50 kids TOTAL from SES that graduate each year to Deal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very hot button topic. Shepherd Elementary School is very small. If SES got moved to another feeder pattern it really wouldn’t reduce the numbers at Deal. 50 kids is a drop in the bucket. But the Ward 3 parents and a group of parents (who I know) don’t like minorities which is why they want to remove SES. There are very active parents who are voicing their concerns with city council. I think removal from Deal/Wilson is unlikely in the next round.

50 kids across 3 grades = 150 kids. Definitely not a drop in the bucket. And you know it.

Which is not insignificant - that is 10% of the total of the 6th and 8th grade classes. That alone doesn't solve Deal's enrollment problems but it gets you a good part of the way there.