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Anonymous wrote:I love these commenters who are anti bow who think they’re so progressive but are really just misogynistic. If someone posted asking where to find tiny baseball hats for their infant son would you make fun of them and say “ugh, why?” and comment on how unnecessary such an accessory is? No, you wouldn’t. You’ve let society convince you that feminine things are inherently bad or less than masculine or gender-neutral things. Your attitude isn’t doing your daughters any favors. Baby girls can wear bows and still grow up to be scientists and athletes. Expand your mindset.

A hat keeps your child warm. A bow serves no purpose. If a person was putting a baseball hat on their kid so that no one mistook him for a her you bet your butt I would roll my eyes at that. Who cares if someone thinks your daughter is a son or vice versa? They're BABIES.

I would care. A lot.

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Anonymous wrote:I love these commenters who are anti bow who think they’re so progressive but are really just misogynistic. If someone posted asking where to find tiny baseball hats for their infant son would you make fun of them and say “ugh, why?” and comment on how unnecessary such an accessory is? No, you wouldn’t. You’ve let society convince you that feminine things are inherently bad or less than masculine or gender-neutral things. Your attitude isn’t doing your daughters any favors. Baby girls can wear bows and still grow up to be scientists and athletes. Expand your mindset.

God this is dumb. I don't think there's anything wrong with femininity, but forcing femininity on a baby with an accessory that babies generally find uncomfortable is self-centered and stupid. If the entire purpose of the baseball hat in your scenario is to make sure a *baby* isn't misgendered, that would be equally stupid.

Here’s a thought: maybe the bow has nothing to do with proving gender....maybe some people just like bows?! I often put my daughter in shades of blue or black and white with no ruffles or feminine details. Sometimes I put her in pink or a dress. Whether she wears a bow with either outfit depends on the day but doesn’t have anything to do with ensuring her gender is known. I’m not bothered by what other people think she is...I just like accessories. Again,
you and pp can imagine another purpose for a baseball hat besides accessorizing or proving gender (although I can’t fathom someone actually choosing one as a practical means of warmth) so again I think this is a situation of placing weird value on masculine accessories and only seeing the worst in feminine ones. Silly moms and their silly bows. It’s self-hate. You should think about what society has taught you.

Would you dress your son in a bow?

This. Bows are uniquely worn by women.

True. We live in a society where men and women (and boys and girls) often wear different clothing. Do you dress yourself exclusively in gender neutral clothing?

The point is they were responding to someone saying "the bow has nothing to do with proving gender....maybe some people just like bows". If it was just a love of bows and nothing to do with gender, that PP (was that you?) would put them on sons too. That's not what's happening, because it is about gender. That's the PPs' point. You haven't disproved it by trying to move the goalposts with this response, just shown you can't follow the thread.

DP. I accept your general note that yes bows are worn basically exclusively by girls but that still doesnt mean they are necessarily intended to signal gender. I wear dresses because I like dresses not to inform the world I am a woman. Same for the color purple and other subtle signals I give that communicate my gender. I like handbags and wear them.and the fact that I do makes it clear I am a woman but I am not wearing them in order to.make sure everyone knows I'm a woman.

You're trying to reduce a complicated thing about how we want to present ourselves outwardly as being exclusively tied to gender when in fact we're all trying to communicate our identity, consciously and subconsciously and our gender identity is a part of that and therefore informs our personal likes and dislikes.

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Anonymous wrote:I love these commenters who are anti bow who think they’re so progressive but are really just misogynistic. If someone posted asking where to find tiny baseball hats for their infant son would you make fun of them and say “ugh, why?” and comment on how unnecessary such an accessory is? No, you wouldn’t. You’ve let society convince you that feminine things are inherently bad or less than masculine or gender-neutral things. Your attitude isn’t doing your daughters any favors. Baby girls can wear bows and still grow up to be scientists and athletes. Expand your mindset.

God this is dumb. I don't think there's anything wrong with femininity, but forcing femininity on a baby with an accessory that babies generally find uncomfortable is self-centered and stupid. If the entire purpose of the baseball hat in your scenario is to make sure a *baby* isn't misgendered, that would be equally stupid.

Here’s a thought: maybe the bow has nothing to do with proving gender....maybe some people just like bows?! I often put my daughter in shades of blue or black and white with no ruffles or feminine details. Sometimes I put her in pink or a dress. Whether she wears a bow with either outfit depends on the day but doesn’t have anything to do with ensuring her gender is known. I’m not bothered by what other people think she is...I just like accessories. Again,
you and pp can imagine another purpose for a baseball hat besides accessorizing or proving gender (although I can’t fathom someone actually choosing one as a practical means of warmth) so again I think this is a situation of placing weird value on masculine accessories and only seeing the worst in feminine ones. Silly moms and their silly bows. It’s self-hate. You should think about what society has taught you.

Would you dress your son in a bow?

This. Bows are uniquely worn by women.

True. We live in a society where men and women (and boys and girls) often wear different clothing. Do you dress yourself exclusively in gender neutral clothing?

The point is they were responding to someone saying "the bow has nothing to do with proving gender....maybe some people just like bows". If it was just a love of bows and nothing to do with gender, that PP (was that you?) would put them on sons too. That's not what's happening, because it is about gender. That's the PPs' point. You haven't disproved it by trying to move the goalposts with this response, just shown you can't follow the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I love these commenters who are anti bow who think they’re so progressive but are really just misogynistic. If someone posted asking where to find tiny baseball hats for their infant son would you make fun of them and say “ugh, why?” and comment on how unnecessary such an accessory is? No, you wouldn’t. You’ve let society convince you that feminine things are inherently bad or less than masculine or gender-neutral things. Your attitude isn’t doing your daughters any favors. Baby girls can wear bows and still grow up to be scientists and athletes. Expand your mindset.

God this is dumb. I don't think there's anything wrong with femininity, but forcing femininity on a baby with an accessory that babies generally find uncomfortable is self-centered and stupid. If the entire purpose of the baseball hat in your scenario is to make sure a *baby* isn't misgendered, that would be equally stupid.

Here’s a thought: maybe the bow has nothing to do with proving gender....maybe some people just like bows?! I often put my daughter in shades of blue or black and white with no ruffles or feminine details. Sometimes I put her in pink or a dress. Whether she wears a bow with either outfit depends on the day but doesn’t have anything to do with ensuring her gender is known. I’m not bothered by what other people think she is...I just like accessories. Again,
you and pp can imagine another purpose for a baseball hat besides accessorizing or proving gender (although I can’t fathom someone actually choosing one as a practical means of warmth) so again I think this is a situation of placing weird value on masculine accessories and only seeing the worst in feminine ones. Silly moms and their silly bows. It’s self-hate. You should think about what society has taught you.

Would you dress your son in a bow?

This. Bows are uniquely worn by women.

True. We live in a society where men and women (and boys and girls) often wear different clothing. Do you dress yourself exclusively in gender neutral clothing?

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Anonymous wrote:I love these commenters who are anti bow who think they’re so progressive but are really just misogynistic. If someone posted asking where to find tiny baseball hats for their infant son would you make fun of them and say “ugh, why?” and comment on how unnecessary such an accessory is? No, you wouldn’t. You’ve let society convince you that feminine things are inherently bad or less than masculine or gender-neutral things. Your attitude isn’t doing your daughters any favors. Baby girls can wear bows and still grow up to be scientists and athletes. Expand your mindset.

God this is dumb. I don't think there's anything wrong with femininity, but forcing femininity on a baby with an accessory that babies generally find uncomfortable is self-centered and stupid. If the entire purpose of the baseball hat in your scenario is to make sure a *baby* isn't misgendered, that would be equally stupid.

Here’s a thought: maybe the bow has nothing to do with proving gender....maybe some people just like bows?! I often put my daughter in shades of blue or black and white with no ruffles or feminine details. Sometimes I put her in pink or a dress. Whether she wears a bow with either outfit depends on the day but doesn’t have anything to do with ensuring her gender is known. I’m not bothered by what other people think she is...I just like accessories. Again,
you and pp can imagine another purpose for a baseball hat besides accessorizing or proving gender (although I can’t fathom someone actually choosing one as a practical means of warmth) so again I think this is a situation of placing weird value on masculine accessories and only seeing the worst in feminine ones. Silly moms and their silly bows. It’s self-hate. You should think about what society has taught you.

Would you dress your son in a bow?

This. Bows are uniquely worn by women.

True. We live in a society where men and women (and boys and girls) often wear different clothing. Do you dress yourself exclusively in gender neutral clothing?

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Anonymous wrote:I love these commenters who are anti bow who think they’re so progressive but are really just misogynistic. If someone posted asking where to find tiny baseball hats for their infant son would you make fun of them and say “ugh, why?” and comment on how unnecessary such an accessory is? No, you wouldn’t. You’ve let society convince you that feminine things are inherently bad or less than masculine or gender-neutral things. Your attitude isn’t doing your daughters any favors. Baby girls can wear bows and still grow up to be scientists and athletes. Expand your mindset.

God this is dumb. I don't think there's anything wrong with femininity, but forcing femininity on a baby with an accessory that babies generally find uncomfortable is self-centered and stupid. If the entire purpose of the baseball hat in your scenario is to make sure a *baby* isn't misgendered, that would be equally stupid.

Here’s a thought: maybe the bow has nothing to do with proving gender....maybe some people just like bows?! I often put my daughter in shades of blue or black and white with no ruffles or feminine details. Sometimes I put her in pink or a dress. Whether she wears a bow with either outfit depends on the day but doesn’t have anything to do with ensuring her gender is known. I’m not bothered by what other people think she is...I just like accessories. Again,
you and pp can imagine another purpose for a baseball hat besides accessorizing or proving gender (although I can’t fathom someone actually choosing one as a practical means of warmth) so again I think this is a situation of placing weird value on masculine accessories and only seeing the worst in feminine ones. Silly moms and their silly bows. It’s self-hate. You should think about what society has taught you.

Would you dress your son in a bow?

This. Bows are uniquely worn by women.

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Anonymous wrote:Caveat: still pregnant.

But I ordered these and am impressed by how super-soft the headband is:
https://www.zozubaby.com/collections/mini-felts/products/copy-of-mini-felts-custom-set-of-3

We'll see...

Zozu is a good brand! OP, what you’re looking for is small shops (think: Etsy) where the bows for babies without hair are sold on soft nylon headbands (literally like pantyhose material—super stretchy.) They won’t leave marks. My bald daughter wore them everyday the first year of her life without complaint and by 10 months would tap her head to ask for a bow when we were leaving the house.

Favorite shops below. Bows are usually shown on clips in the pictures but you just select headband as the finish when you add it to your cart.

https://quinnandquail.com/collections/all-bows

https://www.stitchedkisses.com/

http://www.figandmossmakery.com/

https://moonandheartco.com/

Anonymous wrote:They all leave a mark. I gave up.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not care at all if someone guessed the gender of my kid wrong but the anti bow contingent is just as crazy as the, "my baby needs a bow to leave the house so no one thinks she's a boy" contingent.

Basically everything I dress my baby in is a personal choice based on my own aesthetic. She could wear white onesies and white blankets and hats 24/7 and have all her needs met extremely economically. So every once in awhile I put a bow on there, yes like a doll. Because what is a doll essentially? It's a toy that children play with to pretend they are caring for a pretend child. Part of that is dressing the child.

No one here is arguing that dressing a baby girl in pink is bad. No one here is arguing that even dressing a baby in a dress is bad. We're arguing that bows serve no purpose (unlike clothes) and are a hazard. Make any aesthetic choice you want! But to put your baby in something UNCOMFORTABLE AND DANGEROUS because it's your ~aesthetic choice~ is horrible.

You know what’s weird? Pink headbands on bald babies! That’s weird. I mean, seriously, would you put a bangle on a potato? No, that’s organic. I paid a lot for that potato. Of course I understand why parents do it. Clearly they’re sick and tired… of their beautiful baby girl… being mistaken for a boy baby because of the no hair situation. I understand that. But the thing is, I don’t assume bald babies are boys. I assume they’re angry feminists, and I treat them with respect.

Anonymous wrote:I would not care at all if someone guessed the gender of my kid wrong but the anti bow contingent is just as crazy as the, "my baby needs a bow to leave the house so no one thinks she's a boy" contingent.

Basically everything I dress my baby in is a personal choice based on my own aesthetic. She could wear white onesies and white blankets and hats 24/7 and have all her needs met extremely economically. So every once in awhile I put a bow on there, yes like a doll. Because what is a doll essentially? It's a toy that children play with to pretend they are caring for a pretend child. Part of that is dressing the child.