Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because it’s the politically correct and socially acceptable sport to play here in my part of nova. Others? Maybe they are looking for some admission edge to some slac in New England.[/quote]
I really do not get this statement. You can not just force your kid to play soccer and except the kid to have an edge in college admissions. The kids who play in college are really good, are self driven and lucky(in terms of finding a good coach vs a bad one, avoiding injuries, etc). These kids are the top 5% of kids in their age group. They are a very select few.
You can‘t just say oh my 3rd or 4th grade kid will play soccer as a hook for college. He or she will in 7-8 years be one of the top players(like top 3 player) on a regional highly competitive ECNL/DA team because I want him or her to play soccer. It does not work that way.
People have gone on record in this thread to state that at the ECNL or DA level there is no way a kid is being forced to do it. At that level the commitment and expectation is to high for kids to treat it like a hobby.
I do agree with this. When soccer had to become my life, I gave up a team equivalent to DA back then at 16 in HS. I no longer had the passion to miss so many other things to play soccer 24/7. It did start to show in my play by then too.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because it’s the politically correct and socially acceptable sport to play here in my part of nova. Others? Maybe they are looking for some admission edge to some slac in New England.[/quote]
I really do not get this statement. You can not just force your kid to play soccer and except the kid to have an edge in college admissions. The kids who play in college are really good, are self driven and lucky(in terms of finding a good coach vs a bad one, avoiding injuries, etc). These kids are the top 5% of kids in their age group. They are a very select few.
You can‘t just say oh my 3rd or 4th grade kid will play soccer as a hook for college. He or she will in 7-8 years be one of the top players(like top 3 player) on a regional highly competitive ECNL/DA team because I want him or her to play soccer. It does not work that way.
People have gone on record in this thread to state that at the ECNL or DA level there is no way a kid is being forced to do it. At that level the commitment and expectation is to high for kids to treat it like a hobby.
Anonymous wrote:Because it’s the politically correct and socially acceptable sport to play here in my part of nova. Others? Maybe they are looking for some admission edge to some slac in New England.[/quote]
I really do not get this statement. You can not just force your kid to play soccer and except the kid to have an edge in college admissions. The kids who play in college are really good, are self driven and lucky(in terms of finding a good coach vs a bad one, avoiding injuries, etc). These kids are the top 5% of kids in their age group. They are a very select few.
You can‘t just say oh my 3rd or 4th grade kid will play soccer as a hook for college. He or she will in 7-8 years be one of the top players(like top 3 player) on a regional highly competitive ECNL/DA team because I want him or her to play soccer. It does not work that way.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a good question, but no one will say the reason why about half of the kids (3/4ths of the girls) play -- "because me and the husband are super competitive and want to watch our little Suzy kick some other kid's arse."
I don't know any parents who push their kids into travel soccer. I have a competitive, sporty kid who loves it -- and thus I love it for her. Maybe I look like the people you describe, but I love watching her do something she loves. I'm pretty sure that's the case for everyone else. There's no way you could really do this if it wasn't kid lead.
+1 My son is a U13. If you are able to make your U13 kid train 4 days a week, plays game(s) on the weekend practically year round...your son is actually a big mindless pushover. My kid plays because he wants to. Sure I might be able to make him play rec to run around one day a week to burn energy by threatening to take away his phone, but there is no way I would be able to make him do what he does. Maybe this is a rec thing where half are pushed into it...and, if so, so what. They need exercise.
PP here. Exactly. There is no way a person could get their kid to work this hard if their kid really wants to be doing other things.
OP, I think you are trying to correlate loud, aggressive parents with parents who are forcing their kids to play. I don't think such a correlation really exists. I think parents find themselves emotionally involved in lots of areas of their kids lives and soccer is just one where you see it all on display. It doesn't mean that these kids aren't self-motivated.
Maybe you’re right. Related, though, to the fact that you “see it all on display” - the kids see it all on display, too. They see that their parents care, that their parents are overjoyed when they score a goal, livid when a ref misses a call, etc. In a lot of homes, a kid brings home an A+ on a test and gets a “good job, honey” while a goal pulls Mom and Dad out of their chairs and gets them acting like fools (myself included)...that has to have a psychological effect that keeps some kids coming back, even if they aren’t living and breathing soccer. Just my observation, but it seems to me that there are a good number of kids (in travel as well as rec) that don’t watch or follow soccer, don’t play much pick up, don’t often touch a ball when they have free time, and it makes me think that they aren’t in it for themselves. It’s parents or it gives them a social identity, etc.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a good question, but no one will say the reason why about half of the kids (3/4ths of the girls) play -- "because me and the husband are super competitive and want to watch our little Suzy kick some other kid's arse."
I don't know any parents who push their kids into travel soccer. I have a competitive, sporty kid who loves it -- and thus I love it for her. Maybe I look like the people you describe, but I love watching her do something she loves. I'm pretty sure that's the case for everyone else. There's no way you could really do this if it wasn't kid lead.
+1 My son is a U13. If you are able to make your U13 kid train 4 days a week, plays game(s) on the weekend practically year round...your son is actually a big mindless pushover. My kid plays because he wants to. Sure I might be able to make him play rec to run around one day a week to burn energy by threatening to take away his phone, but there is no way I would be able to make him do what he does. Maybe this is a rec thing where half are pushed into it...and, if so, so what. They need exercise.
PP here. Exactly. There is no way a person could get their kid to work this hard if their kid really wants to be doing other things.
OP, I think you are trying to correlate loud, aggressive parents with parents who are forcing their kids to play. I don't think such a correlation really exists. I think parents find themselves emotionally involved in lots of areas of their kids lives and soccer is just one where you see it all on display. It doesn't mean that these kids aren't self-motivated.
Anonymous wrote:I married into a soccer family. They all played growing up, some of them in college. They watch every level of soccer on TV, go to most local games, go to World Cups when they can, etc. They are all nutty about it, and once our kids came along, so were they. I have slowly become a fan of the game, and definitely enjoy watching my kids play team sports, which I never did.
As for them, I think they get out of it all the things that anyone who loves playing a sport gets out of it.
Anonymous wrote:People that have to ask these questions just don’t understand kids who are wired to love sports. Nothing more to it.
Nature nurture my friend. Somewhere along the line you are nurturing it as well. Are you telling us you hate all sports and you never watch them on TV and your kid asked to play travel and you said No because you decided to put family time in front of one of your child's needs? It's not just the kids, it is you too or your kid would be on a rec team or playing at recess.