Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think OP's son did not play or playing time was minimal and she is frustrated.

That’s understandable. Screaming online that a coach cheated when he probably didn’t is not.

Anonymous wrote:I think OP's son did not play or playing time was minimal and she is frustrated.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There aren’t enough specifics here to make a judgment call. It’s common for soccer teams to enter tournaments but add players from off the team, because not everyone from the regular season team can play in the tournament, or there are some good players someone knows who could boost the team’s chances of success in the tournament. There’s nothing unusual about that, and it isn’t wrong unless rules are broken. If other parents looked at you like you have two heads when you used the team’s regular season name, this could be why. They aren’t necessarily playing as that team. Sometimes 2 teams merge and take on a new name for tournaments.

I would downshift considerably before jumping to conclusions about the coach’s behavior.

They looked at me blankly because they didn't even know the name of the team. Only the color. Because their kids was not a member of the team or invested in the team in any way -- had not practiced with them every week, joined in their wins and losses, etc.

Everyone from our team was available, healthy and showed up to play. Are you saying it's still okay to bring in kids who are at a higher skill level than the competition so they can win?

That's news to me. I'm not into sports other than as a parent, so if this is the case, I'm surprised.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I have this right:
- Your kid won a championship
- Your kid's basketball coach brought in a couple ringers to play on the team
- No one complained, not even the opposing team, the opposing coach, the refs or other parties that have a stake in the outcome of the game and who probably are familiar with the rules
- You, a parent who is not involved, other than maybe showing up to a couple games during the season, doesn't recognize some players and decides the coach is a cheat
- You, a parent who does not know the rules of the sport or you league, want to crucify a coach for what may be completely legal in the rule book
- You, a parent who presumably loves your son, wants to ruin his friendships that he's made on his team by calling out their coach and sullying the championship that they won, without knowing if what the coach did was within the rules.

Let me be clear. I'm not condoning cheating. What reeks here is your accusations of cheating without having any understanding of the rules of the game or the league. You don't know if the coach cheated or not. Why don't you research the rules first and make a determination if he cheated, before throwing around wild accusations.

It's parents like you, who cry foul or name call, without any facts, that make after school activities miserable for kids. Your kid had fun and won a championship.

Why would you go looking for trouble where there is none?

Now, if your kid was upset that they lost playing time to ringer or did not get to play, then that is a legitimate beef. But that's not the case.

Chill out. Or pick up a whistle and help the coach train up the boys to get better so that they don't need ringers.

I don't know who else complained. I don't know if the other parents complained or not because I don't know how to bring it up with them. I don't feel comfortable talking about the coach, as I said. I'm not "calling out" anyone.

And I certainly don't know if the parents of the other team complained or are even aware that there were kids on the winning team who were not actually ON the team but who play a level or two above them and were invited by our coach to defeat them. Not sure about that.... Presumably they are unaware.

And I posted because, as I stated, I'm not sure how to handle this with my DS. I do know that I DO NOT want another adult who cheats to win teaching my DS how to behave. That's for sure.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I have this right:
- Your kid won a championship
- Your kid's basketball coach brought in a couple ringers to play on the team
- No one complained, not even the opposing team, the opposing coach, the refs or other parties that have a stake in the outcome of the game and who probably are familiar with the rules
- You, a parent who is not involved, other than maybe showing up to a couple games during the season, doesn't recognize some players and decides the coach is a cheat
- You, a parent who does not know the rules of the sport or you league, want to crucify a coach for what may be completely legal in the rule book
- You, a parent who presumably loves your son, wants to ruin his friendships that he's made on his team by calling out their coach and sullying the championship that they won, without knowing if what the coach did was within the rules.

Let me be clear. I'm not condoning cheating. What reeks here is your accusations of cheating without having any understanding of the rules of the game or the league. You don't know if the coach cheated or not. Why don't you research the rules first and make a determination if he cheated, before throwing around wild accusations.

It's parents like you, who cry foul or name call, without any facts, that make after school activities miserable for kids. Your kid had fun and won a championship.

Why would you go looking for trouble where there is none?

Now, if your kid was upset that they lost playing time to ringer or did not get to play, then that is a legitimate beef. But that's not the case.

Chill out. Or pick up a whistle and help the coach train up the boys to get better so that they don't need ringers.

I don't know who else complained. I don't know if the other parents complained or not because I don't know how to bring it up with them. I don't feel comfortable talking about the coach, as I said. I'm not "calling out" anyone.

And I certainly don't know if the parents of the other team complained or are even aware that there were kids on the winning team who were not actually ON the team but who play a level or two above them and were invited by our coach to defeat them. Not sure about that.... Presumably they are unaware.

And I posted because, as I stated, I'm not sure how to handle this with my DS. I do know that I DO NOT want another adult who cheats to win teaching my DS how to behave. That's for sure.

Anonymous wrote:It is not normal to have guest players in 6th grade basketball!

Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I have this right:
- Your kid won a championship
- Your kid's basketball coach brought in a couple ringers to play on the team
- No one complained, not even the opposing team, the opposing coach, the refs or other parties that have a stake in the outcome of the game and who probably are familiar with the rules
- You, a parent who is not involved, other than maybe showing up to a couple games during the season, doesn't recognize some players and decides the coach is a cheat
- You, a parent who does not know the rules of the sport or you league, want to crucify a coach for what may be completely legal in the rule book
- You, a parent who presumably loves your son, wants to ruin his friendships that he's made on his team by calling out their coach and sullying the championship that they won, without knowing if what the coach did was within the rules.

Let me be clear. I'm not condoning cheating. What reeks here is your accusations of cheating without having any understanding of the rules of the game or the league. You don't know if the coach cheated or not. Why don't you research the rules first and make a determination if he cheated, before throwing around wild accusations.

It's parents like you, who cry foul or name call, without any facts, that make after school activities miserable for kids. Your kid had fun and won a championship.

Why would you go looking for trouble where there is none?

Now, if your kid was upset that they lost playing time to ringer or did not get to play, then that is a legitimate beef. But that's not the case.

Chill out. Or pick up a whistle and help the coach train up the boys to get better so that they don't need ringers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There aren’t enough specifics here to make a judgment call. It’s common for soccer teams to enter tournaments but add players from off the team, because not everyone from the regular season team can play in the tournament, or there are some good players someone knows who could boost the team’s chances of success in the tournament. There’s nothing unusual about that, and it isn’t wrong unless rules are broken. If other parents looked at you like you have two heads when you used the team’s regular season name, this could be why. They aren’t necessarily playing as that team. Sometimes 2 teams merge and take on a new name for tournaments.

I would downshift considerably before jumping to conclusions about the coach’s behavior.

They looked at me blankly because they didn't even know the name of the team. Only the color. Because their kids was not a member of the team or invested in the team in any way -- had not practiced with them every week, joined in their wins and losses, etc.

Everyone from our team was available, healthy and showed up to play. Are you saying it's still okay to bring in kids who are at a higher skill level than the competition so they can win?

That's news to me. I'm not into sports other than as a parent, so if this is the case, I'm surprised.

Yes it is. Kids that can't make a higher level team will grow playing with better and faster kids. It's 6th grade, this is not world cup and while winning can feel good it is basically meaningless.

Sometimes coaches will pull a kid or two up to challenge them.

The rules limit the # of guest players but it is all legal.

Why would they be challenging them during a championship game? I can see doing that during practices but these kids had a right to win or lose together as a team. I agree that winning is meaningless -- which is why my opinion of the couch has dropped to the floor.