Anonymous
11/05/2019 05:30
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
It is bias based on reality. The following are average men's keeper height at the college level broken down by D1, D2, D3 and NAIA (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer/recruiting-guidelines)
Average height of college goalkeepers by division level
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
D2 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’1”
6’3” and over: 17.5%
6’ and under: 47.3%
D3 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 17.3%
6’ and under: 57.4%
NAIA goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 15.7%
6’ and under: 59.7%
As was stated earlier, if you are shorter there is a team for you at a "lower" level of soccer. The tallest keepers generally play at the highest levels. The numbers don't lie. If you are not AT least 6' it is going to be a tough row to hoe. There are not many 5'10" Centers in BB either.
How is it that none of those percentages add up to 100%
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
Umm, because the rest are between 6'1 and 6'2"
Ok, that's an odd way to list it, but that's fine.
I think the overall point was to show where the delineated heights were. Saying the average is 6'2" doesn't provide enough context. But, it is safe to say that 6' is the safest floor walk through the door height to be a keeper at the collegiate level.
Is it a bias based in reality? Or a reality produced by bias?
Either way I guess it doesn't matter. The preference for height is real and it happens at every level. Keylor Navas is a better keeper by a mile than Courtois, but Navas is 6'1 vs Courtois 6'6", so there you have it.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 19:59
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:As a youth travel coach, I've seen several short GKs display natural ability and also ENJOYMENT at the position. GK'ing just isn't if they can touch the crossbar, but:
- command of the backline
- restricting angles
- distribution
Now, once you get beyond youth leagues you'll find a more competitive population writ large at every position.
absolutely agree, coach here as well. Command of backline worth its weight in gold. I love kids who I can see growing up to be a future 5th grade teacher, got that big mouth and bossiness about them.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 19:58
Subject: Short Keeper?
Even 6’0 is tough to make the D1 cut. You are in the 33rd percentile. Two out three GKs are taller. I am sure it drops off fast under 6’0. You better be damn good at 6’0, maybe a sweeper keeper that fits a particular system or shoot for lower end D1 schools.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 18:08
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
It is bias based on reality. The following are average men's keeper height at the college level broken down by D1, D2, D3 and NAIA (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer/recruiting-guidelines)
Average height of college goalkeepers by division level
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
D2 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’1”
6’3” and over: 17.5%
6’ and under: 47.3%
D3 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 17.3%
6’ and under: 57.4%
NAIA goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 15.7%
6’ and under: 59.7%
As was stated earlier, if you are shorter there is a team for you at a "lower" level of soccer. The tallest keepers generally play at the highest levels. The numbers don't lie. If you are not AT least 6' it is going to be a tough row to hoe. There are not many 5'10" Centers in BB either.
How is it that none of those percentages add up to 100%
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
Umm, because the rest are between 6'1 and 6'2"
Ok, that's an odd way to list it, but that's fine.
I think the overall point was to show where the delineated heights were. Saying the average is 6'2" doesn't provide enough context. But, it is safe to say that 6' is the safest floor walk through the door height to be a keeper at the collegiate level.
For sure. These posts prove what I said about coach bias, especially at the D1 level. Now, D3 will be more open to a shorter keeper. Not that D1 is everything. People try so hard for that but it's all relative. Does your kid like the school? The coach? The team itself? Will he or she see time or just be a practice player?
Look, if you are 5'7" it ain't gonna happen, not because of bias but because of real demands of the position. 5'10" is also going to be rare.
If your kid is not likely to be tall do not fall into the trap of believing your kid will be different. The numbers are what they are. Do not push kids into playing keeper until they have really hit their growth spurt. Make sure they never give up time playing in the field and never give up working on the technical aspects of field play. Keeping can be specialized later but you can't go from keeper to playing center mid.
So, you have the numbers. If you are under 6' and want to be a keeper in college think long and hard about it.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 17:58
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
It is bias based on reality. The following are average men's keeper height at the college level broken down by D1, D2, D3 and NAIA (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer/recruiting-guidelines)
Average height of college goalkeepers by division level
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
D2 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’1”
6’3” and over: 17.5%
6’ and under: 47.3%
D3 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 17.3%
6’ and under: 57.4%
NAIA goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 15.7%
6’ and under: 59.7%
As was stated earlier, if you are shorter there is a team for you at a "lower" level of soccer. The tallest keepers generally play at the highest levels. The numbers don't lie. If you are not AT least 6' it is going to be a tough row to hoe. There are not many 5'10" Centers in BB either.
How is it that none of those percentages add up to 100%
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
Umm, because the rest are between 6'1 and 6'2"
Ok, that's an odd way to list it, but that's fine.
I think the overall point was to show where the delineated heights were. Saying the average is 6'2" doesn't provide enough context. But, it is safe to say that 6' is the safest floor walk through the door height to be a keeper at the collegiate level.
For sure. These posts prove what I said about coach bias, especially at the D1 level. Now, D3 will be more open to a shorter keeper. Not that D1 is everything. People try so hard for that but it's all relative. Does your kid like the school? The coach? The team itself? Will he or she see time or just be a practice player?
Anonymous
11/04/2019 17:56
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
It is bias based on reality. The following are average men's keeper height at the college level broken down by D1, D2, D3 and NAIA (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer/recruiting-guidelines)
Average height of college goalkeepers by division level
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
D2 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’1”
6’3” and over: 17.5%
6’ and under: 47.3%
D3 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 17.3%
6’ and under: 57.4%
NAIA goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 15.7%
6’ and under: 59.7%
As was stated earlier, if you are shorter there is a team for you at a "lower" level of soccer. The tallest keepers generally play at the highest levels. The numbers don't lie. If you are not AT least 6' it is going to be a tough row to hoe. There are not many 5'10" Centers in BB either.
How is it that none of those percentages add up to 100%
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
Umm, because the rest are between 6'1 and 6'2"
Ok, that's an odd way to list it, but that's fine.
I think the overall point was to show where the delineated heights were. Saying the average is 6'2" doesn't provide enough context. But, it is safe to say that 6' is the safest floor walk through the door height to be a keeper at the collegiate level.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 17:51
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
It is bias based on reality. The following are average men's keeper height at the college level broken down by D1, D2, D3 and NAIA (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer/recruiting-guidelines)
Average height of college goalkeepers by division level
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
D2 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’1”
6’3” and over: 17.5%
6’ and under: 47.3%
D3 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 17.3%
6’ and under: 57.4%
NAIA goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 15.7%
6’ and under: 59.7%
As was stated earlier, if you are shorter there is a team for you at a "lower" level of soccer. The tallest keepers generally play at the highest levels. The numbers don't lie. If you are not AT least 6' it is going to be a tough row to hoe. There are not many 5'10" Centers in BB either.
How is it that none of those percentages add up to 100%
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
Umm, because the rest are between 6'1 and 6'2"
Ok, that's an odd way to list it, but that's fine.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 17:46
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
It is bias based on reality. The following are average men's keeper height at the college level broken down by D1, D2, D3 and NAIA (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer/recruiting-guidelines)
Average height of college goalkeepers by division level
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
D2 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’1”
6’3” and over: 17.5%
6’ and under: 47.3%
D3 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 17.3%
6’ and under: 57.4%
NAIA goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 15.7%
6’ and under: 59.7%
As was stated earlier, if you are shorter there is a team for you at a "lower" level of soccer. The tallest keepers generally play at the highest levels. The numbers don't lie. If you are not AT least 6' it is going to be a tough row to hoe. There are not many 5'10" Centers in BB either.
How is it that none of those percentages add up to 100%
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
Umm, because the rest are between 6'1 and 6'2"
Anonymous
11/04/2019 17:45
Subject: Short Keeper?
Again, OP this is what coaches will say and how your kid will be judged, regardless of whether or not his GAA, save %, etc.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 17:37
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
It is bias based on reality. The following are average men's keeper height at the college level broken down by D1, D2, D3 and NAIA (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer/recruiting-guidelines)
Average height of college goalkeepers by division level
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
D2 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’1”
6’3” and over: 17.5%
6’ and under: 47.3%
D3 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 17.3%
6’ and under: 57.4%
NAIA goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 15.7%
6’ and under: 59.7%
As was stated earlier, if you are shorter there is a team for you at a "lower" level of soccer. The tallest keepers generally play at the highest levels. The numbers don't lie. If you are not AT least 6' it is going to be a tough row to hoe. There are not many 5'10" Centers in BB either.
How is it that none of those percentages add up to 100%
Anonymous
11/04/2019 17:06
Subject: Short Keeper?
Why are some people upset that tall kids have a higher reach? That’s just life. Don’t blame coaches for picking a tall kid to cover an 8x24 foot goal.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 17:00
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
It is bias based on reality. The following are average men's keeper height at the college level broken down by D1, D2, D3 and NAIA (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer/recruiting-guidelines)
Average height of college goalkeepers by division level
D1 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’2”
6’3” and over: 30.5%
6’ and under: 33.1%
D2 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’1”
6’3” and over: 17.5%
6’ and under: 47.3%
D3 goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 17.3%
6’ and under: 57.4%
NAIA goalkeeper
Average Height: 6’0”
6’3” and over: 15.7%
6’ and under: 59.7%
As was stated earlier, if you are shorter there is a team for you at a "lower" level of soccer. The tallest keepers generally play at the highest levels. The numbers don't lie. If you are not AT least 6' it is going to be a tough row to hoe. There are not many 5'10" Centers in BB either.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 16:53
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
By the way, that poor girl had no aptitude for goal and ended up getting and going back to her old team.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 16:47
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.
And there the OP has it. You are reading the bias your kid will face if he/she isn't projected to be tall enough.
Anonymous
11/04/2019 16:12
Subject: Short Keeper?
Anonymous wrote:I saw a 5'10" girl make a team who had played field for her previous team get chosen as goalie, and the other two keepers who actually had keeper experience but were average not make it. It happens.
You can coach up a kid to be keeper, you can't coach up a kid to be tall.