Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:53
Subject: Re:Joe Biden denied communion
That's all fine from a Church legalese perspective. Doesn't change that it was un-christ like and hypocritical and inappropriate for the Priest to inject the Church into politics. But as long as some theologians worked out the legal pretzels, you can rest self-satisfied.
This is why the Church is losing members, you know.
Christ welcomed sinners but called them to repent. Biden is unrepentant and in a public forum. It was not the priest who politicized anything. Biden politicized his religious observance himself. As for the Church being "injected" into politics, once again it was Biden who knowingly approached the Eucharist while objectively indisposed to receive it.
As for losing members, parishes, dioceses and denominations that are faithful to tradition seem to be growing. Others, not so much. The Church is charged to announce the Gospel, not pander to those not interested in hearing it. The collapse of mainline Protestantism is an object lesson in the consequences of a religious observance driven by secular concerns.
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:53
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Receiving communion in a state of mortal sin is deeply spiritually harmful to the recipient. It’s not a punishment.
Wait, hold up there spiritual Sally. Mortal sin as in skipping one of the sacraments, breaking a commandment, stealing holy water to give to grandma, bogarting the palm on Palm Sunday?
And where does systemic child rape and an institutional cover-up fall on the sinfulness scale?
Yes, this goes without saying! My snarky response to spiritual Sally was...well, deliberate snark to distract my mind from the horrendous crimes committed and covered up.
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:44
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Receiving communion in a state of mortal sin is deeply spiritually harmful to the recipient. It’s not a punishment.
Wait, hold up there spiritual Sally. Mortal sin as in skipping one of the sacraments, breaking a commandment, stealing holy water to give to grandma, bogarting the palm on Palm Sunday?
And where does systemic child rape and an institutional cover-up fall on the sinfulness scale?
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:40
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Receiving communion in a state of mortal sin is deeply spiritually harmful to the recipient. It’s not a punishment.
Wait, hold up there spiritual Sally. Mortal sin as in skipping one of the sacraments, breaking a commandment, stealing holy water to give to grandma, bogarting the palm on Palm Sunday?
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:24
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Catholics believe that faith has a personal and a public dimension. Whatever Biden's interior state may be, he is objectively and publicly denying a fundamental tenet of the faith, and doing so as a public figure. Whether he and others in a similar position should be permitted to receive the Eucharist has been debated at length in canon law circles. The better argument clearly is that the priest actually has a duty to deny Biden the Eucharist because of the public nature of his dissent, his longstanding persistence in his positions despite numerous private and public admonitions, and his contumacious refusal voluntarily to refrain from coming forward at communion time. Biden's assertion that he privately holds beliefs different than his public positions but does not want to "impose" them on others is entirely specious. He regularly imposes his own beliefs via legislation on other subjects. His attempted dodge is nothing more than a "Nuremburg defense," and equally ineffectual.
Remember that time when Church teaching cost a miscarrying woman her life? But, we have our theological defense so, it's all cool.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/27/world/europe/savita-halappanavar-ireland-abortion.html
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:23
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grateful for this priest!
My former dc pastor, rip, used to bristle when Ted Kennedy took communion , and he was ordered to provide it to Kennedy by the homosexual, abusive cardinal, Mccarick.
and yet, somehow they tolerated McCarick for decades when they *knew* he was raping boys. But sure, let's bristle over Ted Kennedy.
Are you sure about the boys part? People need to be sure that they aren’t conflating two different sexually-related crimes here. I believe he was involved with young men, not prepubescent boys.
Talk about head in sand...
McCarrick, 88, resigned his post as cardinal last year after an investigation found evidence he had molested a minor altar boy
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:22
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Receiving communion in a state of mortal sin is deeply spiritually harmful to the recipient. It’s not a punishment.
Judge not. Did joe Biden have an abortion?
The priest and the Church are hypocrites and un-christ like.
+100 And anyway does the priest know whether or not Joe went to confession (not that I personally believe he committed a sin anyway)? Frankly, the priest seems to be abusing his position for political reasons (sound familiar)? He's going to have to deal with his God on this issue or become one of many priests whose bones line the path to hell.
This is absolutely a political play and is being bantered around politically. As a Catholic I am absolutely disgusted by these so-called Catholics who are using one's very personal faith as a weapon. May God have mercy on their souls.
Amen to that. I never thought I’d be considering leaving the Church but after 50 years of this, I’m getting tired of it all. Have received 5 sacraments in the Church but the last might be in a different church.
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:20
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholics believe that faith has a personal and a public dimension. Whatever Biden's interior state may be, he is objectively and publicly denying a fundamental tenet of the faith, and doing so as a public figure. Whether he and others in a similar position should be permitted to receive the Eucharist has been debated at length in canon law circles. The better argument clearly is that the priest actually has a duty to deny Biden the Eucharist because of the public nature of his dissent, his longstanding persistence in his positions despite numerous private and public admonitions, and his contumacious refusal voluntarily to refrain from coming forward at communion time. Biden's assertion that he privately holds beliefs different than his public positions but does not want to "impose" them on others is entirely specious. He regularly imposes his own beliefs via legislation on other subjects. His attempted dodge is nothing more than a "Nuremburg defense," and equally ineffectual.
That's all fine from a Church legalese perspective. Doesn't change that it was un-christ like and hypocritical and inappropriate for the Priest to inject the Church into politics. But as long as some theologians worked out the legal pretzels, you can rest self-satisfied.
This is why the Church is losing members, you know.
This. No yoga pretzels, though, because that's also problematic:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/catholic-bishop-warns-against-yoga-and-mindfulness-in-schools-1.4055449
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:17
Subject: Re:Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church cares about power and protection, protecting pedophile priests and embryos. It does not care about emulating Christ.
This.
Shame on them
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:12
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Catholics believe that faith has a personal and a public dimension. Whatever Biden's interior state may be, he is objectively and publicly denying a fundamental tenet of the faith, and doing so as a public figure. Whether he and others in a similar position should be permitted to receive the Eucharist has been debated at length in canon law circles. The better argument clearly is that the priest actually has a duty to deny Biden the Eucharist because of the public nature of his dissent, his longstanding persistence in his positions despite numerous private and public admonitions, and his contumacious refusal voluntarily to refrain from coming forward at communion time. Biden's assertion that he privately holds beliefs different than his public positions but does not want to "impose" them on others is entirely specious. He regularly imposes his own beliefs via legislation on other subjects. His attempted dodge is nothing more than a "Nuremburg defense," and equally ineffectual.
That's all fine from a Church legalese perspective. Doesn't change that it was un-christ like and hypocritical and inappropriate for the Priest to inject the Church into politics. But as long as some theologians worked out the legal pretzels, you can rest self-satisfied.
This is why the Church is losing members, you know.
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:09
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grateful for this priest!
My former dc pastor, rip, used to bristle when Ted Kennedy took communion , and he was ordered to provide it to Kennedy by the homosexual, abusive cardinal, Mccarick.
and yet, somehow they tolerated McCarick for decades when they *knew* he was raping boys. But sure, let's bristle over Ted Kennedy.
Are you sure about the boys part? People need to be sure that they aren’t conflating two different sexually-related crimes here. I believe he was involved with young men, not prepubescent boys.
Snort. So hard to keep track, isn't it?
"allegations of sexual abuse against male minors were not publicly known until 2018..." source is just Wikipedia so, could be false I suppose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Edgar_McCarrick
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:07
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Catholics believe that faith has a personal and a public dimension. Whatever Biden's interior state may be, he is objectively and publicly denying a fundamental tenet of the faith, and doing so as a public figure. Whether he and others in a similar position should be permitted to receive the Eucharist has been debated at length in canon law circles. The better argument clearly is that the priest actually has a duty to deny Biden the Eucharist because of the public nature of his dissent, his longstanding persistence in his positions despite numerous private and public admonitions, and his contumacious refusal voluntarily to refrain from coming forward at communion time. Biden's assertion that he privately holds beliefs different than his public positions but does not want to "impose" them on others is entirely specious. He regularly imposes his own beliefs via legislation on other subjects. His attempted dodge is nothing more than a "Nuremburg defense," and equally ineffectual.
Anonymous
10/31/2019 09:06
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grateful for this priest!
My former dc pastor, rip, used to bristle when Ted Kennedy took communion , and he was ordered to provide it to Kennedy by the homosexual, abusive cardinal, Mccarick.
and yet, somehow they tolerated McCarick for decades when they *knew* he was raping boys. But sure, let's bristle over Ted Kennedy.
Are you sure about the boys part? People need to be sure that they aren’t conflating two different sexually-related crimes here. I believe he was involved with young men, not prepubescent boys.
Anonymous
10/31/2019 08:58
Subject: Joe Biden denied communion
Anonymous wrote:Grateful for this priest!
My former dc pastor, rip, used to bristle when Ted Kennedy took communion , and he was ordered to provide it to Kennedy by the homosexual, abusive cardinal, Mccarick.
and yet, somehow they tolerated McCarick for decades when they *knew* he was raping boys. But sure, let's bristle over Ted Kennedy.
Anonymous
10/31/2019 08:54
Subject: Re:Joe Biden denied communion
The Catholic Church cares about power and protection, protecting pedophile priests and the unborn. It does not care about emulating Christ.