This is where the elections will be decided - the battleground states named below and a few others. National numbers in support of impeachment are of limited value:

Fifty-three percent of voters in six battleground states oppose impeaching President Donald Trump and removing him from office, according to a New York Times/Siena College poll.

Forty-three percent in the swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Arizona support impeachment and removal.

The survey results for those key states were released Monday. Here is how they break down:

92% of Republicans oppose impeachment and removal, compared to 5% who support it.
14% of Democrats oppose impeachment and removal, while 84% support it.
55% of independents are against impeachment and removal, compared to 39% who back it.
50% of all those surveyed support the impeachment inquiry of Trump, while 45% oppose it.

For those who think that Republican senators will flip and vote for Trump's removal - you are living in a dream world.

Anonymous wrote:Sure, 86% of people who identify as Republicans still support Trump, but the overall number of people who identify as Republicans has dropped significantly since the 2016 election.

That isn't factored into the equation.

The number of independents are growing and they are coming from both parties. For example, I have voted consistently Democratic for decades but now I register as an independent because both parties are just ridiculously polarized. Whether I vote for a Democrat in 2020 will depend on who is nominated.

Anonymous wrote:Sure, 86% of people who identify as Republicans still support Trump, but the overall number of people who identify as Republicans has dropped significantly since the 2016 election.

That isn't factored into the equation.

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Through death (GOP voters skew waaaay older) and people realizing how incredibly, almost unbelievably corrupt the GOP is, it’s a shrinking party.

Sure, 86% of people who identify as Republicans still support Trump, but the overall number of people who identify as Republicans has dropped significantly since the 2016 election.

That isn't factored into the equation.

Here’s a clip from that “horror movie,” courtesy of CNN Congressional correspondent Manu Raju’s interview with GOP Rep. Mark Amodei of Nevada. You may remember him from the “signs the Republicans are turning against Trump” thread.

Q: The White House transcript that was released shows that President Trump was asking President Zelensky to open an investigation into the Bidens...
A: Do you know if they've even got plans to call the whistleblower? Cause I heard they didn't. Now I don't know if that's true.
Q: You didn't answer my question about the substance of the matter.
A: I disagree with your conclusion. It's a conclusion not a question.
Q: I'm asking about what's in the White House transcript.
A: Well my English teacher says you got a conclusion, so if you want to interview yourself, go ahead. You're interviewing me.
Q: Why don't you answer the question, is it ok for the president to ask a foreign country to investigate the Bidens?
A: That's not a question. Why don't you want to do an interview instead of interviewing yourself.
Q: On the south lawn of the White House the President asked China to investigate the Bidens. Is that ok?
A: Ok I guess that's a no. If you don't want to interview me, then interview yourself.

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PP you replied to.
I disagree. You make it sound as if both sides are using the same tactics and have the same polling. They don't.

Trump is the President, and he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors as defined in the Constitution. That is not debatable. What is debatable is whether the people will want to remove him from office, and/or re-elect him.
Republicans who do not have Fox News as their only source of news are actually only 55% against impeachment, instead of the higher number among Republicans who watch Fox News exclusively. A lot watch Fox News exclusively! The Democrats have no such relationships of loyalty with left-leaning media, and none of the major news media allows as many lies/truth omissions and biased reporting as Fox News. By far.

The truth is that a large portion of Trump's base is not being told the truth by their preferred media, but they are persuaded that it is the only reliable source of facts, and therefore won't change opinion in the near future, unless Fox decides to cut off Trump. I don't see that happening, but if it did, it would be a complete game changer.

Only 11% - yes, 11% - of all Republicans support impeachment. I don't know how that would equate to 55% of Republicans who don't watch Fox News supporting impeachment. The reality is that the vast majority of Republicans are opposed to impeachment.

There is no way that 20 Republican senators would ever flip to support the removal of Trump from office. The move to impeach Trump has nothing to do with removing him from office - that will not happen. The Democrats are hoping to bloody Trump in his reelection campaign because they know perfectly well that unless the economy moves decidedly into a downturn, the odds are that Trump will win reelection.

I did vote for Trump but the only chance that the Democrats have would be to nominate someone who has broad appeal to much of middle America - the loons like Warren and Sanders will ensure Trump's reelection.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

I think yo are wrong about the motive. Democrats know they will lose if they do not uphold their own oath of office to uphold the Constitution and hold the President accountable for high crimes and misdemeanors. The voters care about these things.

Apparently only the Democratic voters.

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Anonymous wrote:
PP you replied to.
I disagree. You make it sound as if both sides are using the same tactics and have the same polling. They don't.

Trump is the President, and he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors as defined in the Constitution. That is not debatable. What is debatable is whether the people will want to remove him from office, and/or re-elect him.
Republicans who do not have Fox News as their only source of news are actually only 55% against impeachment, instead of the higher number among Republicans who watch Fox News exclusively. A lot watch Fox News exclusively! The Democrats have no such relationships of loyalty with left-leaning media, and none of the major news media allows as many lies/truth omissions and biased reporting as Fox News. By far.

The truth is that a large portion of Trump's base is not being told the truth by their preferred media, but they are persuaded that it is the only reliable source of facts, and therefore won't change opinion in the near future, unless Fox decides to cut off Trump. I don't see that happening, but if it did, it would be a complete game changer.

Only 11% - yes, 11% - of all Republicans support impeachment. I don't know how that would equate to 55% of Republicans who don't watch Fox News supporting impeachment. The reality is that the vast majority of Republicans are opposed to impeachment.

There is no way that 20 Republican senators would ever flip to support the removal of Trump from office. The move to impeach Trump has nothing to do with removing him from office - that will not happen. The Democrats are hoping to bloody Trump in his reelection campaign because they know perfectly well that unless the economy moves decidedly into a downturn, the odds are that Trump will win reelection.

I did vote for Trump but the only chance that the Democrats have would be to nominate someone who has broad appeal to much of middle America - the loons like Warren and Sanders will ensure Trump's reelection.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

Typo here: I did NOT vote for Trump

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Anonymous wrote:
PP you replied to.
I disagree. You make it sound as if both sides are using the same tactics and have the same polling. They don't.

Trump is the President, and he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors as defined in the Constitution. That is not debatable. What is debatable is whether the people will want to remove him from office, and/or re-elect him.
Republicans who do not have Fox News as their only source of news are actually only 55% against impeachment, instead of the higher number among Republicans who watch Fox News exclusively. A lot watch Fox News exclusively! The Democrats have no such relationships of loyalty with left-leaning media, and none of the major news media allows as many lies/truth omissions and biased reporting as Fox News. By far.

The truth is that a large portion of Trump's base is not being told the truth by their preferred media, but they are persuaded that it is the only reliable source of facts, and therefore won't change opinion in the near future, unless Fox decides to cut off Trump. I don't see that happening, but if it did, it would be a complete game changer.

Only 11% - yes, 11% - of all Republicans support impeachment. I don't know how that would equate to 55% of Republicans who don't watch Fox News supporting impeachment. The reality is that the vast majority of Republicans are opposed to impeachment.

There is no way that 20 Republican senators would ever flip to support the removal of Trump from office. The move to impeach Trump has nothing to do with removing him from office - that will not happen. The Democrats are hoping to bloody Trump in his reelection campaign because they know perfectly well that unless the economy moves decidedly into a downturn, the odds are that Trump will win reelection.

I did vote for Trump but the only chance that the Democrats have would be to nominate someone who has broad appeal to much of middle America - the loons like Warren and Sanders will ensure Trump's reelection.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

I think yo are wrong about the motive. Democrats know they will lose if they do not uphold their own oath of office to uphold the Constitution and hold the President accountable for high crimes and misdemeanors. The voters care about these things.

Republicans say that abuse of office isn't a crime. So why would they want to impeach the president, with clear undeniable evidence of abuse of office?

Vindman is a patriot. Listen to him.

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PP you replied to.
I disagree. You make it sound as if both sides are using the same tactics and have the same polling. They don't.

Trump is the President, and he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors as defined in the Constitution. That is not debatable. What is debatable is whether the people will want to remove him from office, and/or re-elect him.
Republicans who do not have Fox News as their only source of news are actually only 55% against impeachment, instead of the higher number among Republicans who watch Fox News exclusively. A lot watch Fox News exclusively! The Democrats have no such relationships of loyalty with left-leaning media, and none of the major news media allows as many lies/truth omissions and biased reporting as Fox News. By far.

The truth is that a large portion of Trump's base is not being told the truth by their preferred media, but they are persuaded that it is the only reliable source of facts, and therefore won't change opinion in the near future, unless Fox decides to cut off Trump. I don't see that happening, but if it did, it would be a complete game changer.

Only 11% - yes, 11% - of all Republicans support impeachment. I don't know how that would equate to 55% of Republicans who don't watch Fox News supporting impeachment. The reality is that the vast majority of Republicans are opposed to impeachment.

There is no way that 20 Republican senators would ever flip to support the removal of Trump from office. The move to impeach Trump has nothing to do with removing him from office - that will not happen. The Democrats are hoping to bloody Trump in his reelection campaign because they know perfectly well that unless the economy moves decidedly into a downturn, the odds are that Trump will win reelection.

I did vote for Trump but the only chance that the Democrats have would be to nominate someone who has broad appeal to much of middle America - the loons like Warren and Sanders will ensure Trump's reelection.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

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Anonymous wrote:Moscow Mitch has his finger permanently in the wind.
He soeaks out of both sides of his mouth.
He's criticized the impeachment inquiry.
His op ed means nothing except he's keeping his options open. If public opinion in Kentucky changes, he will change his mind.

Kentucky. One of the most backwards and poor states in our country, and those imbeciles ultimately call the shots.

And the KY electorate is dumber than the manure they send to Congress to represent them.

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Anonymous wrote:Way too many Republican senators are refusing to comment on the substance of the impeachment process. They're giving themselves room to vote him out.

I think they will.

So do I.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think some of these old bulls are underestimating their ability to withstand being primaried and/or called out by Trump, particularly if they stood together and explained why they were taking the vote.

Because they are cowards.

I honestly think some of these old bulls are underestimating their ability to withstand being primaried and/or called out by Trump, particularly if they stood together and explained why they were taking the vote.

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The weekend news will boost Trump in the eyes of his base. The Senators have good reason to stay silent, they are well aware that for now, despite the stark evidence of impeachable offenses, voting to remove him from office could oust them...which is, in the end, all they care about.

The leak about Sondland confirming that there was a quid pro quo? Or the World Series or the fires?

What weekend news did I miss?

ISIS Leader's death

Did killing bin Laden boost Obama's image in their eyes? I don't think it did.

I meant that Trump's base solidifies any time their President does something remotely macho, and they have shown themselves to be impervious so far to the drip-drip of impeachment depositions. This may change. Trump's future as President is really at risk, but for the moment I still think odds are more than 50% that he will stay in office.

Trump R support has been above 85% the whole time. Only way he gets impeached is if that number starts to drop. Pelosi does the same thing on the D side. They are all driven by polls because they are politicians and they only matter if they stay elected.

PP you replied to.
I disagree. You make it sound as if both sides are using the same tactics and have the same polling. They don't.

Trump is the President, and he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors as defined in the Constitution. That is not debatable. What is debatable is whether the people will want to remove him from office, and/or re-elect him.
Republicans who do not have Fox News as their only source of news are actually only 55% against impeachment, instead of the higher number among Republicans who watch Fox News exclusively. A lot watch Fox News exclusively! The Democrats have no such relationships of loyalty with left-leaning media, and none of the major news media allows as many lies/truth omissions and biased reporting as Fox News. By far.

The truth is that a large portion of Trump's base is not being told the truth by their preferred media, but they are persuaded that it is the only reliable source of facts, and therefore won't change opinion in the near future, unless Fox decides to cut off Trump. I don't see that happening, but if it did, it would be a complete game changer.