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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I am thinking now about this and I am realizing that it is very unlikely the siblings will agree to be bought out. A similar things happened with the whole apartment - my siblings refused to sell it, to buy me out or to let me buy them out. As a result I had to buy a separate residence because my parents’ apartment has become unlivable. All their stuff is still there and I have nowhere to put my own things (much less my children’s). The oldest sibling is very dominant and has strong hoarding tendencies. They would either take the artifact for themselves or (more likely) pressure the middle one to stop me from taking it. They want to keep everything in the apartment and the apartment is untouchable.

So, leave it where it is then. Unless they agree, you can't take it.

but I can actually take it.

And your siblings can seek whatever legal remedy they are entitled to.

but they are not going to do it. they would lose the artifact + sibling. i could have legally forced them to sell the apartment but didn't.

Are you willing to lose siblings over an artifact?

If you really just like the look get a copy made. Happens all the time, China or local artisans are your best bets. Then you get the COPY not the original.

Man, rich people are weird.

Anonymous wrote:I bet if you have it appraised it’s not really worth 20k, and then you wont want it anymore.

meh. as i already explained, its "market value" (notwithstanding that it can't be sold so unclear to what extent this is applicable) is a burden rather than a plus to me. besides siblings would never agree to appraisal etc. it's just not how we do things.

Anonymous wrote:What are you looking for here Op?

You sound like an a-hole. If you take it, you will be an a-hole with a vase to look at.

If you don’t, you’ll be an a-hole who wants a vase to look at.

i am looking for ideas, opinions. you have not been helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am thinking now about this and I am realizing that it is very unlikely the siblings will agree to be bought out. A similar things happened with the whole apartment - my siblings refused to sell it, to buy me out or to let me buy them out. As a result I had to buy a separate residence because my parents’ apartment has become unlivable. All their stuff is still there and I have nowhere to put my own things (much less my children’s). The oldest sibling is very dominant and has strong hoarding tendencies. They would either take the artifact for themselves or (more likely) pressure the middle one to stop me from taking it. They want to keep everything in the apartment and the apartment is untouchable.

So, leave it where it is then. Unless they agree, you can't take it.

but I can actually take it.

And your siblings can seek whatever legal remedy they are entitled to.

but they are not going to do it. they would lose the artifact + sibling. i could have legally forced them to sell the apartment but didn't.

I bet if you have it appraised it’s not really worth 20k, and then you wont want it anymore.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am thinking now about this and I am realizing that it is very unlikely the siblings will agree to be bought out. A similar things happened with the whole apartment - my siblings refused to sell it, to buy me out or to let me buy them out. As a result I had to buy a separate residence because my parents’ apartment has become unlivable. All their stuff is still there and I have nowhere to put my own things (much less my children’s). The oldest sibling is very dominant and has strong hoarding tendencies. They would either take the artifact for themselves or (more likely) pressure the middle one to stop me from taking it. They want to keep everything in the apartment and the apartment is untouchable.

So, leave it where it is then. Unless they agree, you can't take it.

but I can actually take it.

And your siblings can seek whatever legal remedy they are entitled to.

What are you looking for here Op?

You sound like an a-hole. If you take it, you will be an a-hole with a vase to look at.

If you don’t, you’ll be an a-hole who wants a vase to look at.

The issue seems to boil down to the following: do you value the artifact more than your relationship with your siblings?

The only fair solution would be to buy your siblings' share in this jointly owned vase as others have suggested. If something were so valuable to me that I would even consider taking it for myself and risking the wrath of the rest of the family, I certainly would be willing to fork out 66% of the value to be its sole owner (you have an overseas vacation home so I assume you can afford such a payment).

You should be able to get appraisals from different auction houses to determine what the price should be, unless the artifact was obtained in questionable circumstances or there are unaddressed tax issues, in which case you are probably stuck with joint ownership.

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Anonymous wrote:I am thinking now about this and I am realizing that it is very unlikely the siblings will agree to be bought out. A similar things happened with the whole apartment - my siblings refused to sell it, to buy me out or to let me buy them out. As a result I had to buy a separate residence because my parents’ apartment has become unlivable. All their stuff is still there and I have nowhere to put my own things (much less my children’s). The oldest sibling is very dominant and has strong hoarding tendencies. They would either take the artifact for themselves or (more likely) pressure the middle one to stop me from taking it. They want to keep everything in the apartment and the apartment is untouchable.

So, leave it where it is then. Unless they agree, you can't take it.

but I can actually take it.

NP. Do whatever you want to, OP. Your circular logic on this one is maddening. If you take it, yes, there will be fallout. IT DOESN'T BELONG TO JUST YOU.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am thinking now about this and I am realizing that it is very unlikely the siblings will agree to be bought out. A similar things happened with the whole apartment - my siblings refused to sell it, to buy me out or to let me buy them out. As a result I had to buy a separate residence because my parents’ apartment has become unlivable. All their stuff is still there and I have nowhere to put my own things (much less my children’s). The oldest sibling is very dominant and has strong hoarding tendencies. They would either take the artifact for themselves or (more likely) pressure the middle one to stop me from taking it. They want to keep everything in the apartment and the apartment is untouchable.

So, leave it where it is then. Unless they agree, you can't take it.

but I can actually take it.

Anonymous wrote:I am thinking now about this and I am realizing that it is very unlikely the siblings will agree to be bought out. A similar things happened with the whole apartment - my siblings refused to sell it, to buy me out or to let me buy them out. As a result I had to buy a separate residence because my parents’ apartment has become unlivable. All their stuff is still there and I have nowhere to put my own things (much less my children’s). The oldest sibling is very dominant and has strong hoarding tendencies. They would either take the artifact for themselves or (more likely) pressure the middle one to stop me from taking it. They want to keep everything in the apartment and the apartment is untouchable.

So, leave it where it is then. Unless they agree, you can't take it.

I am thinking now about this and I am realizing that it is very unlikely the siblings will agree to be bought out. A similar things happened with the whole apartment - my siblings refused to sell it, to buy me out or to let me buy them out. As a result I had to buy a separate residence because my parents’ apartment has become unlivable. All their stuff is still there and I have nowhere to put my own things (much less my children’s). The oldest sibling is very dominant and has strong hoarding tendencies. They would either take the artifact for themselves or (more likely) pressure the middle one to stop me from taking it. They want to keep everything in the apartment and the apartment is untouchable.

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Anonymous wrote:no, if fair market value is 20k and OP has 2 siblings, 6.5k is slightly under paying, it should be 6.6k apiece. OP should pay fair market value as long as the siblings are willing to sell their interest. It isn't at all like she is hurting for money.

but this item can not be sold at the market. therefore it cannot have the same market value as similar items that are actually selling.

the real value of the item is decorative and sentimentalize These are real values and I agree that I would be taking something from
Them but I can not turn around sell this. $13,000 is a lot of money for a decorative item. I could buy a bunch of pretty valuable paintings (abroad) that are likely to increase in value - and that I can sell at any time - for that sum.

So you are looking to cheat your siblings then ? You aren't getting a lot of support for that, I expect.

I don’t care for DCUM support, I have other people for that.. But I do very much appreciate comments and ideas even if nasty. They help me clarify things for myself. I have really thought this through all that much so this has been very helpful.