Anonymous wrote:Hate Range Rovers. Love this. The design was intentional, as they are two totally different markets (relatively).

Owned a few over the years - they are ALWAYS in the shop! But I love the look and feel of them.

Actually, by way of the redesign, they are now chasing *exactly* the same market, not totally different ones. The new Surrender is a luxury soft-roader cute-ute, appealing to the very same demographic that would also be into a Range Rover.

The previous generations of Defender were simple, no frills off road vehicles designed perfectly for their intended use. They had solid axles for negotiating rocks and boulders. They can be fixed with hand tools in the the middle of the woods, hosed out when full of mud and dirt, and were engineered with surviving damage and abuse in mind. Everything a Range Rover isn’t, in other words.

This thing, abandons all that, and instead is just another Range Rover.


Very sad to see the Defender bloodline end like this. Very sad indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:Say what you will, will be in high demand from BH to Aspen and down to Miami.

Ha ha ha ha!!!

+1 Hilarious

Can you let me in on the joke? Is Aspen not a rich place? Is this car not up to par for a rich place? Curious.

As for the car, I’d like to see it in person.

This is like an LR2, Discovery Sport, Evoque... (or any other entry-level luxury car). Technically a LR, but only appealing to aspirational buyers or young drivers with wealthy parents.

They killed the Discovery with the new design.

Either you like this one, or you don't. I don't buy into buy more car than you can afford so you can look rich DC thing.

Hate Range Rovers. Love this. The design was intentional, as they are two totally different markets (relatively).

Owned a few over the years - they are ALWAYS in the shop! But I love the look and feel of them.

Anonymous wrote:This is not the defender Sherlock drove in the Baskerville episode. i would pay anything for a new one like that. As for the Wrangler. can't wait for the 2021 V8 Rubicon.

I bought a 2020 Rubicon and felt a twinge of regret until I went to the Jeep site and saw god damned paddle shifters. Thanks but no thanks. The V6 is plenty and I can row my own the right way.

This is not the defender Sherlock drove in the Baskerville episode. i would pay anything for a new one like that. As for the Wrangler. can't wait for the 2021 V8 Rubicon.

Anonymous wrote:How dare they call this a Defender? Why not just call it something else and leave the beloved Defender out of it?

I feel ya.

As a Jeep nut, I’m officially your arch rival.... But damn, it stings to see what they did to y’all. I really empathize with you on this. They should just give it another name. Maybe the “Surrender”, instead of Defender.

I dread the eventual redesign that will finally kill the Wrangler.

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone bought one? Any thoughts? DH had a Defender 90 in college back in the early nineties and I know he loved it so much. I was thinking buying him a new Defender for his Christmas present this year would be a nice gift.

A neighbor just got the black/green one. I like it a lot. I looked online and saw the white one and I love it.

How dare they call this a Defender? Why not just call it something else and leave the beloved Defender out of it?