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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Baltimore Sun has a long article about the proposed Howard County Public Schools rezoning: https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-howard-school-redistricting-20190906-xhzkmkf2zvgcxdkbd3vqdanblm-story.html (I don't know who wrote it because the journalists are withholding their bylines this week.)

I don't know enough about Howard County to evaluate the proposals, but I do know enough about Montgomery County to be able to say with authority that anybody who is thinking of moving from MCPS to HCPS, in order to try to avoid boundary changes for school capacity and desegregation, should read this article.

I stated this in another thread, how MoCo parents threatening to move to HoCo or FFX because MoCo dared to hire a consultant to look at how MCPS draws school boundaries made me chuckle. And where are they going to threaten to move to now. The response was that people were now moving to Frederick, and how much happier they are. That made me chuckle too. I'm sure Frederick county schools are fine, but their top schools are more like the mediocre ones in MoCo and HoCo. Of course, mediocre schools are fine, too. It's not like I live in a W school cluster. But if mediocrity is fine, not sure why moving to Frederick for the schools makes one happier.

former resident of Mo Co - many decades, born and raised there
intimately aware of how the school system operates

recently moved to Fred. - can honestly say my kids' education is much better, as the emphasis is on academics and resourcefulness
They are held accountable for their work and behavior, and the grading scale is what it should be, with no extra fluff. A an is an A, and kids who don't work will fail.

So unless you understand education, you really can't judge what a "good" school is. Your claim that FCPS schools are similar to the "mediocre ones in Mo Co and Ho Co" lacks evidence.

My kids have a cohort of hard-working peers who value education. I guess we're just lucky, right?

My evidence is the "college readiness" per USWNR - the best Frederick HS, Urbana, has a lower rate than NWHS and Sherwhood HS in MoCo, and overall has a lower ranking than Sherwood.

The lowest ranked MCPS HS, Watkins Mill and other schools that many on this forum consider to be in ganglandia, is ranked higher than the lowest ranked Frederick county HS.

Frederick county has lower FARMS and ESOL percentage than MoCo, and yet, its best HS is still ranked lower than an MCPS middling HS.

Sherwood HS:
94% Graduation Rate
63.6 College Readiness
FARMs 17%
ESOL 12.2%
The total minority enrollment is 50%.
1,922 Enrollment 9-12

The AP® participation rate at Sherwood High is 76%.

Urbana HS:

98% Graduation Rate
55.1 College Readiness
1,702 Enrollment 9-12
FARMS 6%
ESOL .5%
The total minority enrollment is 34%.
The AP® participation rate at Urbana High is 66%.

AND Urbana has IB, but Sherwood doesn't.

Given that Urbana has less FARMs and ESOL students and has an IB program, it should be ranked much higher than Sherwood, but it isn't. Parents looking for the best schools aren't moving to Frederick.

My statement is based on data; your's is based "feel".

Anonymous wrote:i think the majority of people fighting this change aren’t as much concerned about an increase in farms for their kids school as they are about losing 50-100k in home value overnight.


Anybody, social justice warrior or not, would be upset if you took that much money away from them.

All investments come with risks. You buy property, not a school zone.

i think the majority of people fighting this change aren’t as much concerned about an increase in farms for their kids school as they are about losing 50-100k in home value overnight.


Anybody, social justice warrior or not, would be upset if you took that much money away from them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Baltimore Sun has a long article about the proposed Howard County Public Schools rezoning: https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-howard-school-redistricting-20190906-xhzkmkf2zvgcxdkbd3vqdanblm-story.html (I don't know who wrote it because the journalists are withholding their bylines this week.)

I don't know enough about Howard County to evaluate the proposals, but I do know enough about Montgomery County to be able to say with authority that anybody who is thinking of moving from MCPS to HCPS, in order to try to avoid boundary changes for school capacity and desegregation, should read this article.

I stated this in another thread, how MoCo parents threatening to move to HoCo or FFX because MoCo dared to hire a consultant to look at how MCPS draws school boundaries made me chuckle. And where are they going to threaten to move to now. The response was that people were now moving to Frederick, and how much happier they are. That made me chuckle too. I'm sure Frederick county schools are fine, but their top schools are more like the mediocre ones in MoCo and HoCo. Of course, mediocre schools are fine, too. It's not like I live in a W school cluster. But if mediocrity is fine, not sure why moving to Frederick for the schools makes one happier.

former resident of Mo Co - many decades, born and raised there
intimately aware of how the school system operates

recently moved to Fred. - can honestly say my kids' education is much better, as the emphasis is on academics and resourcefulness
They are held accountable for their work and behavior, and the grading scale is what it should be, with no extra fluff. A an is an A, and kids who don't work will fail.

So unless you understand education, you really can't judge what a "good" school is. Your claim that FCPS schools are similar to the "mediocre ones in Mo Co and Ho Co" lacks evidence.

My kids have a cohort of hard-working peers who value education. I guess we're just lucky, right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people were counting on their home equity for various things and cant afford the loss that will inevitably occur with the move from River Hill to Wilde Lake. FYI

Happened to us in MCPS. A $100-$120K drop in prices to the houses right behind us still in the same zone.

That is all boundary changing is anyway. People fighting over equity on their home. Remove walkers and bus them to a poorer school miles away like what happened to us? Then you get burned.

These districts trying to pull poor kids or rich kids away from their own neighborhoods and local schools is ridiculous. It isn't anyone else's fault but the county, they didn't spread around housing correctly. If they truly wanted to do this, they would have had all new SFH developments bussed to poor schools BEFORE anyone moved in and made roots. But the builders would have made less money and the lining of the county's business and politician's pockets would not have been filled.

Where is this?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I stated this in another thread, how MoCo parents threatening to move to HoCo or FFX because MoCo dared to hire a consultant to look at how MCPS draws school boundaries made me chuckle. And where are they going to threaten to move to now. The response was that people were now moving to Frederick, and how much happier they are. That made me chuckle too. I'm sure Frederick county schools are fine, but their top schools are more like the mediocre ones in MoCo and HoCo. Of course, mediocre schools are fine, too. It's not like I live in a W school cluster. But if mediocrity is fine, not sure why moving to Frederick for the schools makes one happier.

Montgomery County is ALREADY far more extreme in zoning based on race and demographics than what Howard County is proposing. Plus MCPS is discussing more extreme bussing. They have been screwing Darnestown kids for years bussing them farther away to NW to make sure that QO isn't too white and now they are considering bussing them to an even worse school SV that is even farther away. The MCPS nuts are chomping to take down the W schools and the Silver Spring idiots are dreaming of the demise of Bethesda.

Howard and Frederick are still far better bets. Plus MCPS has dropped precipitously in the past decade. They lost the top spot years ago.

So, isn't it good that they hired a consultant to look at a better way to draw boundaries?

By what metric do you think Frederick and HoCo are "still far better" bets than MCPS? The top Frederick county high school is about the same level as Sherwood or NWHS, not exactly high performing MCPS HS, though I'm sure it's perfectly fine. Again, we don't live in a W cluster.

In the new PARCC report card, MCPS ranked 7th in its 3-8 ELA and Math. MCPS ranked ever lower in Algebra and ELA-10. Yes, both Ferdericc and Howard county PS are ranked higher than MCPS. MCPS is relying its white and Asian students to stay above state average.

And HoCo and FredCo rely on who???...White and Asian to stay above average and up their scores. In fact Asians scores have more effect on HoCo than MoCo. They barely move MoCo scores.
HoCo has just 2 schools in the top 20 while MoCo has 8.
You're just too clueless

If the MC high schools are so good, why the 10th grade English teste takers ranked behind Calvert, Howard, Worcester, cecil, St. Mary’s, Queen Anne’s, Carrol, and Frederick?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people were counting on their home equity for various things and cant afford the loss that will inevitably occur with the move from River Hill to Wilde Lake. FYI

Happened to us in MCPS. A $100-$120K drop in prices to the houses right behind us still in the same zone.

That is all boundary changing is anyway. People fighting over equity on their home. Remove walkers and bus them to a poorer school miles away like what happened to us? Then you get burned.

These districts trying to pull poor kids or rich kids away from their own neighborhoods and local schools is ridiculous. It isn't anyone else's fault but the county, they didn't spread around housing correctly. If they truly wanted to do this, they would have had all new SFH developments bussed to poor schools BEFORE anyone moved in and made roots. But the builders would have made less money and the lining of the county's business and politician's pockets would not have been filled.

Agreed

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I stated this in another thread, how MoCo parents threatening to move to HoCo or FFX because MoCo dared to hire a consultant to look at how MCPS draws school boundaries made me chuckle. And where are they going to threaten to move to now. The response was that people were now moving to Frederick, and how much happier they are. That made me chuckle too. I'm sure Frederick county schools are fine, but their top schools are more like the mediocre ones in MoCo and HoCo. Of course, mediocre schools are fine, too. It's not like I live in a W school cluster. But if mediocrity is fine, not sure why moving to Frederick for the schools makes one happier.

Montgomery County is ALREADY far more extreme in zoning based on race and demographics than what Howard County is proposing. Plus MCPS is discussing more extreme bussing. They have been screwing Darnestown kids for years bussing them farther away to NW to make sure that QO isn't too white and now they are considering bussing them to an even worse school SV that is even farther away. The MCPS nuts are chomping to take down the W schools and the Silver Spring idiots are dreaming of the demise of Bethesda.

Howard and Frederick are still far better bets. Plus MCPS has dropped precipitously in the past decade. They lost the top spot years ago.

So, isn't it good that they hired a consultant to look at a better way to draw boundaries?

By what metric do you think Frederick and HoCo are "still far better" bets than MCPS? The top Frederick county high school is about the same level as Sherwood or NWHS, not exactly high performing MCPS HS, though I'm sure it's perfectly fine. Again, we don't live in a W cluster.

In the new PARCC report card, MCPS ranked 7th in its 3-8 ELA and Math. MCPS ranked ever lower in Algebra and ELA-10. Yes, both Ferdericc and Howard county PS are ranked higher than MCPS. MCPS is relying its white and Asian students to stay above state average.

And HoCo and FredCo rely on who???...White and Asian to stay above average and up their scores. In fact Asians scores have more effect on HoCo than MoCo. They barely move MoCo scores.
HoCo has just 2 schools in the top 20 while MoCo has 8.
You're just too clueless

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people were counting on their home equity for various things and cant afford the loss that will inevitably occur with the move from River Hill to Wilde Lake. FYI

But this move will improve WL.

Most will not attend that school. They will get waivers or go to private school. It happens all of the time.

Anonymous wrote:Some people were counting on their home equity for various things and cant afford the loss that will inevitably occur with the move from River Hill to Wilde Lake. FYI

Happened to us in MCPS. A $100-$120K drop in prices to the houses right behind us still in the same zone.

That is all boundary changing is anyway. People fighting over equity on their home. Remove walkers and bus them to a poorer school miles away like what happened to us? Then you get burned.

These districts trying to pull poor kids or rich kids away from their own neighborhoods and local schools is ridiculous. It isn't anyone else's fault but the county, they didn't spread around housing correctly. If they truly wanted to do this, they would have had all new SFH developments bussed to poor schools BEFORE anyone moved in and made roots. But the builders would have made less money and the lining of the county's business and politician's pockets would not have been filled.

Anonymous wrote:Some people were counting on their home equity for various things and cant afford the loss that will inevitably occur with the move from River Hill to Wilde Lake. FYI

But this move will improve WL.

Anonymous wrote:Some people were counting on their home equity for various things and cant afford the loss that will inevitably occur with the move from River Hill to Wilde Lake. FYI

That was a gamble they took on the false assumption that their school assignment wouldn't change.

Anonymous wrote:Some people were counting on their home equity for various things and cant afford the loss that will inevitably occur with the move from River Hill to Wilde Lake. FYI

And other people will now be about to count on a home equity bump for various things. That’s life!

Some people were counting on their home equity for various things and cant afford the loss that will inevitably occur with the move from River Hill to Wilde Lake. FYI

Anonymous wrote:No one wants to be bussed past two other high performing schools to a low performing school just because the kids are white.

Newsflash, low SES kids do not want to be bussed past two low performing school to go to a high performing school just because they are brown. MCPS has had failed attempts to bus GHS kids farther away and the GHS community exploded on them. MCPS is still pissed about this.

+1. This is the brainchild of annoying white liberals. People need to stop acting like the brown kids getting bused are clamoring for this change.