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Anonymous wrote:You sound seriously unstable.

You really need to work on your anger issues. If you can't end a sales call without all this drama you really need to work on yourself.

Are you always this controlling?

OP Yes when cornered and dealing with a person like this trying to rob me. Last time I blew up however, I was 27 when a used car sales men roped me into buying a used car with $500 down with 48 hours to change mind, when I changed mind he put me in a prisioner cell basically for one hour talking me into buying car till I finally blew up. I got back my $500. I honestly think the salespeople know most people just cave. I need to control temper, but that is why I NEVER call these folks or go to time share deals. It will upset me. I try to avoid. They actually swindle a lot of senior who have trouble with it. Honestly, I wish for my wife I had not blown up. I am not upset about it otherwise as salesman still stayed 30 minutes afterwards still pitching, he tried to even play I was upset to make wife buy even more.

Rob?

You're a disaster.

Team OP here. Some of us are wired this way. It is very uncomfortable and offensive for me to feel like I'm being preyed on. I can handle most conflicts but these are the ones I prefer to avoid because they are upsetting. I can't even with telemarketers. I will be uncomfortable for days after.

I think it's because I was brought up in an honest manner with a very honest dad. I remember a few incidents from when I was small. I can't comprehend the type of people who work these manipulative jobs.

So? It’s not normal or healthy.

Seriously! Get therapy for this.

You are upset for days... are you serious?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You sound seriously unstable.

You really need to work on your anger issues. If you can't end a sales call without all this drama you really need to work on yourself.

Are you always this controlling?

OP Yes when cornered and dealing with a person like this trying to rob me. Last time I blew up however, I was 27 when a used car sales men roped me into buying a used car with $500 down with 48 hours to change mind, when I changed mind he put me in a prisioner cell basically for one hour talking me into buying car till I finally blew up. I got back my $500. I honestly think the salespeople know most people just cave. I need to control temper, but that is why I NEVER call these folks or go to time share deals. It will upset me. I try to avoid. They actually swindle a lot of senior who have trouble with it. Honestly, I wish for my wife I had not blown up. I am not upset about it otherwise as salesman still stayed 30 minutes afterwards still pitching, he tried to even play I was upset to make wife buy even more.

Rob?

You're a disaster.

Team OP here. Some of us are wired this way. It is very uncomfortable and offensive for me to feel like I'm being preyed on. I can handle most conflicts but these are the ones I prefer to avoid because they are upsetting. I can't even with telemarketers. I will be uncomfortable for days after.

I think it's because I was brought up in an honest manner with a very honest dad. I remember a few incidents from when I was small. I can't comprehend the type of people who work these manipulative jobs.

WHy is there such a racket in the windows business? Same when I go to a county fair or similar festival -- there are people offering windows there (and someone selling a gutter guard). Every time. Is this super-lucrative?

Yes. Very. You should do your homework on windows and buy them from Home Depot or order them through TW Perry, etc. Then just hire someone to install them. Much cheaper.

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Anonymous wrote:You sound seriously unstable.

You really need to work on your anger issues. If you can't end a sales call without all this drama you really need to work on yourself.

Are you always this controlling?

OP Yes when cornered and dealing with a person like this trying to rob me. Last time I blew up however, I was 27 when a used car sales men roped me into buying a used car with $500 down with 48 hours to change mind, when I changed mind he put me in a prisioner cell basically for one hour talking me into buying car till I finally blew up. I got back my $500. I honestly think the salespeople know most people just cave. I need to control temper, but that is why I NEVER call these folks or go to time share deals. It will upset me. I try to avoid. They actually swindle a lot of senior who have trouble with it. Honestly, I wish for my wife I had not blown up. I am not upset about it otherwise as salesman still stayed 30 minutes afterwards still pitching, he tried to even play I was upset to make wife buy even more.

Rob?

You're a disaster.

Hate this type of sales and I refused to deal with TC. Windows on Washington was fair and not high pressure but I ended up going with Window Universe for my suburban TH.

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Anonymous wrote:How come your DW wasn’t upset?

OP she was falling for it. Guy gave discounts off sky high prices and did pretend to call manager to get more, turns out he can on a Saturday so I would be home now all at once it was two against one. Fighting off salesman while trying to stop wife who wanted to buy cause the price only good today,

Sounds like you felt emasculated.

Sounds like the wife is a sucker.

My wife likes what she likes. She overbid on current house we own even though both me and even buyers broker told her bidding too high. Finally, we got her to do part in an escalation clause that never hit. My first house once again she overbid a bit, then I had to be bad guy at end and get her down in price, then nickle and dime buyer into repairs to get it back to a fair price.

If she does not want it even if free she wont take it. However, she does not often really like things. I have to rein her in as when she wants it money is no object. I on other hand will still "soft negotiate" on stuff I really want. My wife is not alone and plenty of men are like this, I say even more men if outdoor related. Pool salesmen, backyard Kitchens, Garage Makeovers, anything without a price you can look up and they come and pitch both sexes will fall in love and want to sign if played right. Ask my male cousin with $25,000 worth of a stone deck in yard and get this he wants an in-ground pool as salesmen said what is all that stone deck good for if no pool. His wife wants to kill him. She is like stop calling for estimates from salespeople we both work full time so stop projects. All together couple is $350,000 into home in last ten years all on loans.

And in college very briefly I did door to door sales for two weeks. Did whole training video, went out with guys and did pitches and I felt dirty afterwards. Here was mark up. Product made by Factory and factory sold for profit. Franchise/Office that sold product got a cut, manager of sales office got a cut, salesperson got a cut. No problem factory getting cut, but once you added all commissions it was selling for four times cost to make. You could buy same thing in a store on sale for 1/4 the cost. They also prey on elderly. I quit as soon as the guy was forcing me to hard sell a 80 year old we just knocked on door, he was pissed at me as she already owned the model we were selling and actually only need a part. I sold her part and he was super mad at me. He even kept the commission. It is a sleezy business going door to door. When I did it I had to knock on 100 doors a day and do sales calls at night when Husband was home. It was horrible. I was only 21. And everyone in office was dregs of society. The weekly meeting consisted of bragging who cheated who the most and prizes were given out for biggest mark up. I never got paid a cent from that place, no loss as just graduated college and did it while looking for my full time job. So you can imagine when I blew my top it really was a breaking point. I knew the gimmicks coming. It was he just would not stop. Honestly, between my wife and myself we said no at least 13 times before I blew. Even my dickhead manager at that sales job I had when 21 would have left after 5 or 6 nos.

You went to college?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come your DW wasn’t upset?

OP she was falling for it. Guy gave discounts off sky high prices and did pretend to call manager to get more, turns out he can on a Saturday so I would be home now all at once it was two against one. Fighting off salesman while trying to stop wife who wanted to buy cause the price only good today,

Sounds like you felt emasculated.

Sounds like the wife is a sucker.

My wife likes what she likes. She overbid on current house we own even though both me and even buyers broker told her bidding too high. Finally, we got her to do part in an escalation clause that never hit. My first house once again she overbid a bit, then I had to be bad guy at end and get her down in price, then nickle and dime buyer into repairs to get it back to a fair price.

If she does not want it even if free she wont take it. However, she does not often really like things. I have to rein her in as when she wants it money is no object. I on other hand will still "soft negotiate" on stuff I really want. My wife is not alone and plenty of men are like this, I say even more men if outdoor related. Pool salesmen, backyard Kitchens, Garage Makeovers, anything without a price you can look up and they come and pitch both sexes will fall in love and want to sign if played right. Ask my male cousin with $25,000 worth of a stone deck in yard and get this he wants an in-ground pool as salesmen said what is all that stone deck good for if no pool. His wife wants to kill him. She is like stop calling for estimates from salespeople we both work full time so stop projects. All together couple is $350,000 into home in last ten years all on loans.

And in college very briefly I did door to door sales for two weeks. Did whole training video, went out with guys and did pitches and I felt dirty afterwards. Here was mark up. Product made by Factory and factory sold for profit. Franchise/Office that sold product got a cut, manager of sales office got a cut, salesperson got a cut. No problem factory getting cut, but once you added all commissions it was selling for four times cost to make. You could buy same thing in a store on sale for 1/4 the cost. They also prey on elderly. I quit as soon as the guy was forcing me to hard sell a 80 year old we just knocked on door, he was pissed at me as she already owned the model we were selling and actually only need a part. I sold her part and he was super mad at me. He even kept the commission. It is a sleezy business going door to door. When I did it I had to knock on 100 doors a day and do sales calls at night when Husband was home. It was horrible. I was only 21. And everyone in office was dregs of society. The weekly meeting consisted of bragging who cheated who the most and prizes were given out for biggest mark up. I never got paid a cent from that place, no loss as just graduated college and did it while looking for my full time job. So you can imagine when I blew my top it really was a breaking point. I knew the gimmicks coming. It was he just would not stop. Honestly, between my wife and myself we said no at least 13 times before I blew. Even my dickhead manager at that sales job I had when 21 would have left after 5 or 6 nos.

Ugh this OP is why the country is going down the tubes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come your DW wasn’t upset?

OP she was falling for it. Guy gave discounts off sky high prices and did pretend to call manager to get more, turns out he can on a Saturday so I would be home now all at once it was two against one. Fighting off salesman while trying to stop wife who wanted to buy cause the price only good today,

Sounds like you felt emasculated.

Sounds like the wife is a sucker.

If you were wondering, they want both spouses there so you can’t say, I’ll talk to my spouse and get back with you. After doing any research you would know they are a rip off.

Anonymous wrote:You sound seriously unstable.

You really need to work on your anger issues. If you can't end a sales call without all this drama you really need to work on yourself.

Are you always this controlling?

OP Yes when cornered and dealing with a person like this trying to rob me. Last time I blew up however, I was 27 when a used car sales men roped me into buying a used car with $500 down with 48 hours to change mind, when I changed mind he put me in a prisioner cell basically for one hour talking me into buying car till I finally blew up. I got back my $500. I honestly think the salespeople know most people just cave. I need to control temper, but that is why I NEVER call these folks or go to time share deals. It will upset me. I try to avoid. They actually swindle a lot of senior who have trouble with it. Honestly, I wish for my wife I had not blown up. I am not upset about it otherwise as salesman still stayed 30 minutes afterwards still pitching, he tried to even play I was upset to make wife buy even more.

Anderson Renewal has the same obnoxious approach. Never again am I sitting through a 2 hour presentation like that.

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Anonymous wrote:She's mad because she felt she was gathering useful information, and was still interested in hearing more, and you "over-rode" her. You steppped in and said, "That's enough" when she was the one who agreed to the evaluation and was still talking to the guy.

Ultimately, yes, sounds like quite the scam. But that's the kind of thing you discuss and decide TOGETHER; you don't just barrel over her and say, "I'm the man here and I've decided that the little woman here is getting duped."

It would have taken you 5 minutes to pull her aside and show her some Google results and tell her that you are half of this decision-making process, and you are 0 percent comfortable and are in no way going to agree to anything within mere hours of starting this discussion.

In other words, spend five minutes mansplaining.

Go away, man-hater. Sometimes one person in the couple needs to over-ride, and a scam is definitely the correct situation in which to do so. If the wife had done so, we wouldn't hear a peep out of you.

OP - I actually lost my temper, several times I told guy we are not signing a contract today. I asked him to leave a written estimate and give us time to decide. It was when my wife was giving me the look to shut up then all at once the guy threw out I dont understand why you are upset I am 100 percent honest, I told you I am only giving you a written estimate and guarantying price if you give me a deposit check right now and sign an agreement. All at once I was the bad guy. I stormed out of room at this point saying I am signing nothing and not giving a check, you two do what you want. Even my wife said she want other quotes multiple times but then she broke.

Funny thing if I was at a time share presentation, being pushed to buy a sports car etc. by a push salesperson she would have loudly said NO or refused to go or refused to even entertain idea.

It is there strategy force husband to buy or get what I got

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Anonymous wrote:She's mad because she felt she was gathering useful information, and was still interested in hearing more, and you "over-rode" her. You steppped in and said, "That's enough" when she was the one who agreed to the evaluation and was still talking to the guy.

Ultimately, yes, sounds like quite the scam. But that's the kind of thing you discuss and decide TOGETHER; you don't just barrel over her and say, "I'm the man here and I've decided that the little woman here is getting duped."

It would have taken you 5 minutes to pull her aside and show her some Google results and tell her that you are half of this decision-making process, and you are 0 percent comfortable and are in no way going to agree to anything within mere hours of starting this discussion.

In other words, spend five minutes mansplaining.

Go away, man-hater. Sometimes one person in the couple needs to over-ride, and a scam is definitely the correct situation in which to do so. If the wife had done so, we wouldn't hear a peep out of you.

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Anonymous wrote:How come your DW wasn’t upset?

OP she was falling for it. Guy gave discounts off sky high prices and did pretend to call manager to get more, turns out he can on a Saturday so I would be home now all at once it was two against one. Fighting off salesman while trying to stop wife who wanted to buy cause the price only good today,

Hmm. I hope she's not gullible like this all the time, otherwise you have a problem on your hands.