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Anonymous wrote:Where are our forum fertility physicians on this?

Why the silence? Please condemn your filthy colleagues!

Are there any? I've been posting on this board for several years, and I don't recall seeing very many (if any) posts by people claiming to be REs.

Lots of physicians are on these forums.

Apparently this is called “fertility fraud”. The NYT reported on it on 12/11/2019. And yes, it needs to be ILLEGAL.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are our forum fertility physicians on this?

Why the silence? Please condemn your filthy colleagues!

Are there any? I've been posting on this board for several years, and I don't recall seeing very many (if any) posts by people claiming to be REs.

Anonymous wrote:Where are our forum fertility physicians on this?

Why the silence? Please condemn your filthy colleagues!

yuck

Where are our forum fertility physicians on this?

Why aren’t there legal consequences for fertility doctors who do this?

Every. Single. Fertility. Doctor. should be DEMANDING significant punishments for the evil doctors who do this to hurt families. Cline was using his fresh, unfrozen sperm to impregnate all these women.

“Do no harm” is trampled yet again.

Anonymous wrote:Recently news organization reported that Google Donald Cline (US), Norman Barwin (Canada), Jan Karbaat (Netherlands), all fertility doctors who used their own sperm instead of that of donor or even sometimes, paying client.

While reading those news I thought luckily my RE and I are of different ethnicity, so I think I am safe. It's a crazy thought.

The Dr Phil Show is discussing Dr Cline who fathered at least 70 - yes, 70 - children.

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Anonymous wrote:A DNA test is one way.

And it used to be a bit more accepted practice. One woman who this happened to (her father was not her dad, the doctor was) wrote a memoir about it:

https://danishapiro.com/books/inheritance/

Doc wasn't her dad. It was a donor.

You’re confused.

I think you're misremembering which book you read, Dani Shapiro's biological father wasn't her mother's doctor at all, nor did she ever suspect that. The doctor was practicing without a license, maybe that's what you're thinking of? That book is about her discovery in midlife that she was donor-conceived, and the experience of meeting the donor. He was just a regular sperm donor, a grad student at the university near the clinic. There was nothing whatsoever in the book about the doc swapping his sperm with the donor's.

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Anonymous wrote:The places where this has occurred were mostly small practices - the places we talk about here have doctors with no motive to do something like this.

There are other reasons to be angered by the fertility practices we discuss here. This is not one of them.

You obviously didn’t see the New York Times article on Tuesday. Please go do your homework.

I _was_ referring to that article, and I have also researched various fertility negligence issues extensively. The kinds of clinics we talk about here on DCUM are not the kinds of places where this might happen now.

There are many reasons to be disgusted with the fertility industry, and I think they all need to be subject to much greater federal regulation. But I highly doubt this kind of "fertility fraud" with doctors swapping in their own semen is widespread at all, given the practices the chains have today.

+1 exactly this.

And for the pp asking about donor photos. It is common through larger sperm banks to have childhood photos of the donor available and sometimes adult photos. It's often an upcharge to get photos or other extras about the donor.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The places where this has occurred were mostly small practices - the places we talk about here have doctors with no motive to do something like this.

There are other reasons to be angered by the fertility practices we discuss here. This is not one of them.

You obviously didn’t see the New York Times article on Tuesday. Please go do your homework.

I _was_ referring to that article, and I have also researched various fertility negligence issues extensively. The kinds of clinics we talk about here on DCUM are not the kinds of places where this might happen now.

There are many reasons to be disgusted with the fertility industry, and I think they all need to be subject to much greater federal regulation. But I highly doubt this kind of "fertility fraud" with doctors swapping in their own semen is widespread at all, given the practices the chains have today.

The other long term repercussion of stuff like this happening - accidentally falling in love and marrying your half-sibling. If we don't have accurate records of biology, the possibility of accidental inbreeding increases. It's not science fiction anymore.
There is a reason our ancestors kept such close tabs on who was related to whom...

Anonymous wrote:That would be insanely unethical.

Should be slam dunk ILLEGAL.

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Anonymous wrote:In some cases it's pretty simple. Take a look at the child and see who s/he resembles. We did, and there was no doubt that DC was the donor's biological offspring and not the doctor's.

How often do you get the donor’s photo? I never heard of that.

Anyone?

How do you really know where any of it came from?! Buying Eggs, sperm, or wombs - you are always taking a chance that either a mistake or an intentional short-cut was made. How in the world would you know? Unless you get pregnant from sex (and you only sleep with the one man) there will always be an element of chance to the whole procedure.

Babies also get switched in the hospital. But at least you can write your name in sharpie on the baby's foot in the hospital, just kidding.