Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:27
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not really a thing. But at the same time, and I say this as a proud Cornell grad, Ivy is a football league.
Cornell is a good school, and it’s great your dd got in, but you should be proud she got into Cornell, not that she got into an Ivy. They’re not interchangeable, and there are plenty of schools that are not in the Ivy League that are quite arguably better than Cornell.
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It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference. “Public Ivy” is a term manufactured by parents to make themselves feel better about their choices.
Yes, or rather their reduced choices. The only universities or colleges in the US that I'd consider equivalent or better than an Ivy would be MIT and then on the next rung down, places like Berkeley and UCLA, William & Mary, so on and so forth
Stanford is up there. So is Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, etc. TONS of great schools that are all in different sports conferences.
Neither Stanford, Chicago, Duke or Northwestern are public schools. Terrific, all of them, but not public.
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:25
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's a thing. "Public Ivy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Right, but this is just an arbitrary group devised by a magazine writer
The ivy league is an actual association of schools that originally began as a sports league, but over time has become associated with academic prestige
Thing is, the institutions identified by the "Public Ivy" designation are also prestigious -- and a superior value for money. That's the "thing."
$23,000 a year for William and Mary vs. $70,000 for Brown? Many people will choose W&M.
Requires living in Virginia. If you don't, then they are about the same, and for most people, Brown is better.
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:25
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but the Ivy League is largely just a brand today. Leftism, critical race theory, anodother PC nonsense dominate the Ivy League. Kids used to be required to have a reading knowledge of Greek, Latin, AND a modern language JUST TO GET INTO AN IVY. Standards today are a joke.
Yes, it IS a brand, one known for excellence all over the world. If the standards were a "joke" as you say, would most of the schools still have an admit rate of single digits?
"What does one get from attending an Ivy other than professional benefits?
Now THAT is funny.
Anonymous wrote:
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.
Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.
We’ve gone through this before and always come back to....in reality, it’s just a sports conference. People may perceive that it’s more than that but that perception is just based on manufactured hype. Not reality.
YOU have come back to it, because YOU won't listen, even though facts are presented showing that the schools do many academic things in concert which have nothing to do with their games. Such as, they all release admissions decisions the same day. They also meet every year to discuss admissions and share EA/ED information. And many more things.
But much more importantly, is what the phrase "ivy league" MEANS. It has a meaning to most of the world - a collection of some of the most elite colleges in the country.
And that won't change, no matter how many times you whine "the ivy league is just a sports conference".
Common admission dates and scholarship guidelines are things that the various college sports conferences do. To keep things fair in sports recruiting.
The phrase has MEANING different from reality. It’s really just a sports league.
Here’s the handbook. It all ties back to sports.
http://ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/manuals/Ivymanual2011-12%20copy.pdf
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:24
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:OP you were bragging and she one upped you. Public Ivy is a thing but most people don’t say it. They just think it. Public Ivy’s are: UNC, UVA, Berkeley, W&M and a couple of others.
Nope.
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:15
Subject: Re:Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but the Ivy League is largely just a brand today. Leftism, critical race theory, anodother PC nonsense dominate the Ivy League. Kids used to be required to have a reading knowledge of Greek, Latin, AND a modern language JUST TO GET INTO AN IVY. Standards today are a joke. What does one get from attending an Ivy other than professional benefits? Studying with nuts like Peter Singer?
My son could have gotten into an ivy but did not attend because of some of these reasons...plus the cutthroat nature of these institutions. He's super bright, but more of a collaborator vs. a competitor.
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:11
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Hopefully angry grandpa goes to bed soon.
“angry grandpa” is correct if one has a more traditional view of what constitutes academic excellence. Charles Murray makes similar arguments
Anonymous
08/13/2019 21:08
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Hopefully angry grandpa goes to bed soon.
Anonymous
08/13/2019 20:45
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but the Ivy League is largely just a brand today. Leftism, critical race theory, anodother PC nonsense dominate the Ivy League. Kids used to be required to have a reading knowledge of Greek, Latin, AND a modern language JUST TO GET INTO AN IVY. Standards today are a joke.
Yes, it IS a brand, one known for excellence all over the world. If the standards were a "joke" as you say, would most of the schools still have an admit rate of single digits?
"What does one get from attending an Ivy other than professional benefits?
Now THAT is funny.
Anonymous wrote:
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.
Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.
I am talking about academic standards.( specifically in the humanities) Low admit rate doesn’t mean a damn thing. They have low admit rates because
1. Thousands upon thousands of students apply
2. People still see the Ivy League as providing an excellent education( albeit wrongly) and of course the professional benefits/connections are excellent so the smartest students( by today’s standards anyway) apply.
Look up what Harvey Manssfield ( a long time Harvard professor) has to say about its academic standards. The Ivy’s used to produce great witers, orators, and statesmen(Frost, Calhoun, Adams) What do they produ now? Idiots like Bush, Hillary, Obama, Trump, Cruz etc
So, you can let your politics cloud your judgement. This is America, after all, you are given that right.
But your point makes no sense. You say the smartest students apply, and thousands and thousands of them... and they get the best career opportunities if they attend.... but they are not the best?
Forgive me but that makes no sense.
Funny thing is The Ivy League does not need me defending it here. Most students want to attend there if they can get admitted and afford it. There are reasons for that. Those reasons aren't changing.
Thry are the “best” we have today( which isn’t saying much) Check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQa-gJ0bEdI
Academically, a place like Reed, Harvey Mudd, or St. John’s is far superior to any Ivy
I think a good case could be made that Reed/St. John’s are academically equal or even superior to Ivys in the humanities and same could be said for Harvey Mudd in STEM
Sigh... Reed and HM are awesome. No argument. And many colleges are better at certain programs; I doubt anyone would argue that CMU is not stronger in computer science than any Ivy. But to argue that they are not among the very best colleges in the country is ridiculous, and you should stop.
