Anonymous
07/30/2019 11:29
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.
There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.
For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf
True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.
There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.
$40 is a lot of groceries at Aldi’s. And it can’t be paid in installments. Plus you have to get there on Saturday morning when there aren’t school buses and Ride On isn’t free for minors. Also, many people have more than one child and a teen might be required to babysit on Saturday so that the parents can work.
Don't misrepresent the situation. Sure, some families are choosing between groceries and Saturday school. And, most people have tons of sympathy for those families.
In reality, many of these families are choosing between Saturday School and a new Nintendo Switch.
My kids go to school with many of these kids. There families are fantastic at working the system. Sure, minimum wage is $12, but they work cash only jobs to supplement. And, they are actually able to afford Saturday School AND groceries. They simply choose not to.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 11:27
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:
Ride-On is actually free for minors, who told you that lie. https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/dot-transit/kidsridefree/index.html
Saturday school often tries to work with families that economically disadvantaged, however, many of these families are living 10-15 in one house. Surely, between that many people they can come up with $40.
RideOn is free for kids under 18/kids in school, as of July 1, 2019 - hooray! It is true, however, that a lot of bus routes only run on weekdays.
Would you expect your neighbors to help pay for your child's violin lesson/shoes/whatever?
Anonymous
07/30/2019 11:16
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.
There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.
For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf
True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.
There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.
$40 is a lot of groceries at Aldi’s. And it can’t be paid in installments. Plus you have to get there on Saturday morning when there aren’t school buses and Ride On isn’t free for minors. Also, many people have more than one child and a teen might be required to babysit on Saturday so that the parents can work.
Ride-On is actually free for minors, who told you that lie. https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/dot-transit/kidsridefree/index.html
Saturday school often tries to work with families that economically disadvantaged, however, many of these families are living 10-15 in one house. Surely, between that many people they can come up with $40.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 11:13
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Objectively high school is incredibly easy. The people who don’t well refuse to study do homework etc. I knew very smart people who did poorly because they didn’t bother trying but as they got older their work study ethic improved .
This is the sort of topic that brings out the ignorance and unkindness in people. Prime example here. High school is not incredibly easy. Many kids struggle even if they study and do homework. Add to that language barriers in both student and family and also the stress of financial concerns. While there is a set of kids who have an incredibly easy time in high school, it is definitely not the norm.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 11:08
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
MCPS has over 160,000 students and the article says 2000 dropped out. What I'd like to know is how these statistics have changed over the past couple decades.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 11:06
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No. Economic hardship has nothing to do with schools. The school system is not there to solve people's economic problems. MCPS provides a platform for kids to go to school. If the parents choose not to send their kids to MCPS because they value money more than education, that is not MCPS's problem.
If the MCPS wanted to ask the DA to sue the families for dropping their kids out of school, that I would have no problem, just don't spend our education money on the legal fees.
Really NOT the way I think of the public school system.
Then what is the way you think of the public school system? The system gives people money so that economic hardships go away and kids can then be educated?
Anonymous
07/30/2019 11:05
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes I did. And I regret to say, the writer was not doing a great job organizing the article. She first mentioned economic hardship. Then changed topics to teacher instructions (to be relevant, to reteach ...) What exactly is her point?
Anyway - if it is economic hardship - it is not MCPS's problem and don't try to make it so.
If it is a teaching issue, then something may need to be done but for most people here I highly doubt that they would be very enthusiastic about changing the teaching style to something like "reteach" "slow down" to make the "dropout" situation better.
If people are dropping out of school because of economic hardship, then it is MCPS's problem.
DP
No. It's society's problem. And, up to society to fix it.
Stop expecting the school system to fix society's problems. Teachers are there to TEACH. The County offers tons of support services through the county, and also through other non-profits. Don't dump unreasonable expectations on the school system.
It's society's problem. Schools are part of society. What happens at school is society's problem and school's problem. Teachers can't TEACH students who can't learn because they're hungry or homeless or have PTSD, and teachers really can't TEACH students who aren't there.
The prison system is also part of society. Do you ask them to fix the economic hardship of these dropouts?
MCPS has its own functions. It is an educational system, that is it.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 11:01
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.
There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.
For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf
True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.
There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.
$40 is a lot of groceries at Aldi’s[b]. And it can’t be paid in installments. Plus you have to get there on Saturday morning when there aren’t school buses and Ride On isn’t free for minors. Also, many people have more than one child and a teen might be required to babysit on Saturday so that the parents can work.
True. But it's cheaper than a new iPhone. And, cheaper than getting your nails done weekly, and your ombre dye job.
The illegal immigrants living in my neighborhood all seem to have late model cars (Camrys, Siennas, Odysseys - Japanese models), so driving shouldn't be an issue.
Also, I believe there is a new program that is offering free bus service to students in MoCo.
My school’s immigrant students don’t have new iPhones or professionally dyed hair or nails. They don’t have family cars. They wear used clothes from our donation drive. They catch the ride on or walk. The ride on is free from 2-7 on week days during the school year.
Dollar tree sells hair dye and nail polish. It’s $1. I don’t begrudge a teen girl a couple bucks worth of beauty products each month.
You are likely assuming people are illegal.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 10:54
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:
No. Economic hardship has nothing to do with schools. The school system is not there to solve people's economic problems. MCPS provides a platform for kids to go to school. If the parents choose not to send their kids to MCPS because they value money more than education, that is not MCPS's problem.
If the MCPS wanted to ask the DA to sue the families for dropping their kids out of school, that I would have no problem, just don't spend our education money on the legal fees.
Really NOT the way I think of the public school system.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 10:52
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes I did. And I regret to say, the writer was not doing a great job organizing the article. She first mentioned economic hardship. Then changed topics to teacher instructions (to be relevant, to reteach ...) What exactly is her point?
Anyway - if it is economic hardship - it is not MCPS's problem and don't try to make it so.
If it is a teaching issue, then something may need to be done but for most people here I highly doubt that they would be very enthusiastic about changing the teaching style to something like "reteach" "slow down" to make the "dropout" situation better.
If people are dropping out of school because of economic hardship, then it is MCPS's problem.
DP
No. It's society's problem. And, up to society to fix it.
Stop expecting the school system to fix society's problems. Teachers are there to TEACH. The County offers tons of support services through the county, and also through other non-profits. Don't dump unreasonable expectations on the school system.
It's society's problem. Schools are part of society. What happens at school is society's problem and school's problem. Teachers can't TEACH students who can't learn because they're hungry or homeless or have PTSD, and teachers really can't TEACH students who aren't there.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 10:50
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:
True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.
There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.
The county minimum wage for work at non-large employers is $12.50/hour - so $500/wk for a 40-year week, gross. $10.63 for people under 18 - so $425.20/week, gross. You might reconsider that "only."
Anonymous
07/30/2019 10:49
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.
There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.
For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf
True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.
There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.
$40 is a lot of groceries at Aldi’s[b]. And it can’t be paid in installments. Plus you have to get there on Saturday morning when there aren’t school buses and Ride On isn’t free for minors. Also, many people have more than one child and a teen might be required to babysit on Saturday so that the parents can work.
True. But it's cheaper than a new iPhone. And, cheaper than getting your nails done weekly, and your ombre dye job.
The illegal immigrants living in my neighborhood all seem to have late model cars (Camrys, Siennas, Odysseys - Japanese models), so driving shouldn't be an issue.
Also, I believe there is a new program that is offering free bus service to students in MoCo.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 10:46
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes I did. And I regret to say, the writer was not doing a great job organizing the article. She first mentioned economic hardship. Then changed topics to teacher instructions (to be relevant, to reteach ...) What exactly is her point?
Anyway - if it is economic hardship - it is not MCPS's problem and don't try to make it so.
If it is a teaching issue, then something may need to be done but for most people here I highly doubt that they would be very enthusiastic about changing the teaching style to something like "reteach" "slow down" to make the "dropout" situation better.
If people are dropping out of school because of economic hardship, then it is MCPS's problem.
DP
No. It's society's problem. And, up to society to fix it.
Stop expecting the school system to fix society's problems. Teachers are there to TEACH. The County offers tons of support services through the county, and also through other non-profits. Don't dump unreasonable expectations on the school system.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 10:45
Subject: Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes I did. And I regret to say, the writer was not doing a great job organizing the article. She first mentioned economic hardship. Then changed topics to teacher instructions (to be relevant, to reteach ...) What exactly is her point?
Anyway - if it is economic hardship - it is not MCPS's problem and don't try to make it so.
If it is a teaching issue, then something may need to be done but for most people here I highly doubt that they would be very enthusiastic about changing the teaching style to something like "reteach" "slow down" to make the "dropout" situation better.
If people are dropping out of school because of economic hardship, then it is MCPS's problem.
No. Economic hardship has nothing to do with schools. The school system is not there to solve people's economic problems. MCPS provides a platform for kids to go to school. If the parents choose not to send their kids to MCPS because they value money more than education, that is not MCPS's problem.
If the MCPS wanted to ask the DA to sue the families for dropping their kids out of school, that I would have no problem, just don't spend our education money on the legal fees.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 10:41
Subject: Re:Mcps has a dropout problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What probably isn't covered is that some of the dropouts perhaps move to an entirely different state or may go back to their home countries. Non-American native populations are highly transient. It doesn't make sense to waste money on students who frequently move around. In fact, there are lots of services already in place for students and families who struggle with poverty [food drives, schools partnerships with food banks and clothing banks, etc.]. MCPS has free Saturday school and after-school homework help hotline.
There are lots of students who work and go to school, they are not dropping out.
For the umpteenth time: Saturday School is not free.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/argylems/Program%20Flyer%20English%2018-19%20Final.pdf
True, but it's only $40. Also, our Focus school DOES offer weekly after-school tutoring help at the low-income apartments that feed into the school.
There are also lots of free online resources, that can be used for kids who are transient.
$40 is a lot of groceries at Aldi’s. And it can’t be paid in installments. Plus you have to get there on Saturday morning when there aren’t school buses and Ride On isn’t free for minors. Also, many people have more than one child and a teen might be required to babysit on Saturday so that the parents can work.