Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 16:57     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Liberal here:

The problem conservatives do not address is that CBP has essentially shut down the legal border entry points to asylum seekers. They are purposely slow rolling the processing of claims. They essentially tell the person presenting themselves legally “No you can’t apply. Go away.”

So when you say “Apply for asylum legally,” you are being disingenuous. The Trump Administration has effectively shut down the legal avenue. That’s why you are seeing illegal border crossings for asylum seekers spiking like crazy.

It’s a manufactured crisis. Just resume business-as-usual at legal points of entry (take their claim, get them in front of judge/case workers, make an administrative decision) and you’ll see the illegal crossings go down.

Further, allow asylum seekers to apply at embassies. This currently isnt allowed under US law.

and you KNOW this HOW?
I am a moderate Democrat and you are going to ruin the country with this BS


I know this from reports I’ve read on NYTimes, WaPo, Slate, listen to podcasts, etc with people providing legal aid and humanitarian assistance to asylum seekers. For example, at many Texan ports of entry the CBP essentially hands out lottery numbers. Then they have to stand at the crossing to see if they are lucky enough so their number is called. Many asylum seekers have been waiting for weeks just to plead their case to a CBP Officer. Even then, many of those officers just say “No” without letting the asylum seeker make their case to a judge or case worker. CBP processing of asylum requests have slowed to a virtual trickle.

So stop telling people to do it “the legal way.” It has purposely been slowed down by Trump. And it’s causing more crisis, more panic, and more illegal entries at the border. This Administration is not interested in helping people do it legally.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 14:59     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?


So why are the raids being publicized days in advance?

“It’s unprecedented. But there is a political purpose behind it,” Thomas Kilbride, a retired Department of Homeland Security (DHS) agent and ICE policy adviser, told Fox News. He said the president has tried to get Democrats to come to the table because asylum laws need to change, and this is a way to bargain.

Other experts have underscored that Trump’s announcements are something of a gesture – and not something that the administration was under any legal obligation to do.

“The main point here is that the Trump administration is trying to circumvent some of the blowback from the other side of the aisle. It sends the message that these people have been notified to self-deport and if they fail to do that, this might happen,” said Steve Bucci, homeland security expert at the Heritage Foundation. “It is saying that we aren’t monsters, what we are doing is in accordance with the law and in a reasonable fashion.

"Past administrations didn’t announce raids because they didn’t have to, they just did them.”


https://www.foxnews.com/us/why-those-ice-raids-are-being-announced-in-advance

Frankly, I hope they surprise everyone and start the raids today.


They started Friday and ongoing today. Sunday is just a PR thing.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 14:58     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a moderate Democrat and it is ridiculous there is an uproar about deporting people who ALREADY went through the asylum process and were ordered to leave.

Thank you Democratic Party for shooting yourself in both feet. Trump 2020 looks like a sure thing.


This


+100000
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 14:53     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?


They aren’t bound by the date or by the cities announced. There were ICE raids in DC and NYC on Friday; in NYC this morning; in San Diego this morning (not one of the listed cities). And action is supposed to continue thru next week. So you can hide all weekend but at some point won’t you need to go to work or buy groceries.

And I agree — if you have a signed deportation order, you’ve gotten your due process, out you do. IDK what liberals are thinking — if anyone can come in + no one has to leave even if a judge denies then asylum, then isn’t that — come on, come all, forever??
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 14:50     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:I am a Democrat supporting Trump because I want to stop illegal immigration.


Same.

These democratic nominees expressing support for illegal immigrants are handing Trump the election.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 14:29     Subject: ICE Raids
I am a Democrat supporting Trump because I want to stop illegal immigration.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 14:13     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant


Who's hiring them to make a living?
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 14:06     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a moderate Democrat and it is ridiculous there is an uproar about deporting people who ALREADY went through the asylum process and were ordered to leave.

Thank you Democratic Party for shooting yourself in both feet. Trump 2020 looks like a sure thing.

Same


If you want illegal immigration stopped. Donate at trump 2020 today.

Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 14:04     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

More importantly it places our ICE personnel in danger because they have lost the element of surprise. Why did the administration publicly announce the timing?

Red meat for the base.


This. Trump isn't serious about illegal immigration. He's just using the issue, and will continue to use it, to consolidate power. If he actually solves it, he won't have anything to run on.


He’s serious.
Activist judges are blocking his border security measures, then getting overturned by scotus.
This is earning his reelection.
He may not even have to campaign
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 13:34     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Liberal here:

The problem conservatives do not address is that CBP has essentially shut down the legal border entry points to asylum seekers. They are purposely slow rolling the processing of claims. They essentially tell the person presenting themselves legally “No you can’t apply. Go away.”

So when you say “Apply for asylum legally,” you are being disingenuous. The Trump Administration has effectively shut down the legal avenue. That’s why you are seeing illegal border crossings for asylum seekers spiking like crazy.

It’s a manufactured crisis. Just resume business-as-usual at legal points of entry (take their claim, get them in front of judge/case workers, make an administrative decision) and you’ll see the illegal crossings go down.

Further, allow asylum seekers to apply at embassies. This currently isnt allowed under US law.


There have been 680,000 crossers in 2019. How long do you think it takes to process each individual, provide an escort to a hospital for medical care and get each crosser settled? This is a manufactured crisis? CBP are catching diseases and we are looking at a 9/11 first responder crisis down the road, IMO. Congress will not protect these workers. They refuse. It is remarkable that union supporters are totally cool with the way these federal employees are being treated by lawmakers. It's blatant harassment and discrimination.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 13:21     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Liberal here:

The problem conservatives do not address is that CBP has essentially shut down the legal border entry points to asylum seekers. They are purposely slow rolling the processing of claims. They essentially tell the person presenting themselves legally “No you can’t apply. Go away.”

So when you say “Apply for asylum legally,” you are being disingenuous. The Trump Administration has effectively shut down the legal avenue. That’s why you are seeing illegal border crossings for asylum seekers spiking like crazy.

It’s a manufactured crisis. Just resume business-as-usual at legal points of entry (take their claim, get them in front of judge/case workers, make an administrative decision) and you’ll see the illegal crossings go down.

Further, allow asylum seekers to apply at embassies. This currently isnt allowed under US law.

and you KNOW this HOW?
I am a moderate Democrat and you are going to ruin the country with this BS
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 13:18     Subject: ICE Raids
Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?

If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.

They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.

Signed,

Immigrant
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 13:18     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a moderate Democrat and it is ridiculous there is an uproar about deporting people who ALREADY went through the asylum process and were ordered to leave.

Thank you Democratic Party for shooting yourself in both feet. Trump 2020 looks like a sure thing.

Same
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 13:14     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Liberal here:

The problem conservatives do not address is that CBP has essentially shut down the legal border entry points to asylum seekers. They are purposely slow rolling the processing of claims. They essentially tell the person presenting themselves legally “No you can’t apply. Go away.”

So when you say “Apply for asylum legally,” you are being disingenuous. The Trump Administration has effectively shut down the legal avenue. That’s why you are seeing illegal border crossings for asylum seekers spiking like crazy.

It’s a manufactured crisis. Just resume business-as-usual at legal points of entry (take their claim, get them in front of judge/case workers, make an administrative decision) and you’ll see the illegal crossings go down.

Further, allow asylum seekers to apply at embassies. This currently isnt allowed under US law.[/quote

This could be changed in a hot minute by Congress. But, Pelosi will not let the minority bring up any bills.


Because it doesn’t address legit cases where someone may be running for their life from a gang or corrupt government.
Plus, passing such a law will just give Trump a convenient excuse to keep the ports of entry closed to asylum seekers. I would not pass it either, since Trump does not act in good faith or follow thru on his deals.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 13:10     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Liberal here:

The problem conservatives do not address is that CBP has essentially shut down the legal border entry points to asylum seekers. They are purposely slow rolling the processing of claims. They essentially tell the person presenting themselves legally “No you can’t apply. Go away.”

So when you say “Apply for asylum legally,” you are being disingenuous. The Trump Administration has effectively shut down the legal avenue. That’s why you are seeing illegal border crossings for asylum seekers spiking like crazy.

It’s a manufactured crisis. Just resume business-as-usual at legal points of entry (take their claim, get them in front of judge/case workers, make an administrative decision) and you’ll see the illegal crossings go down.

Further, allow asylum seekers to apply at embassies. This currently isnt allowed under US law.[/quote

This could be changed in a hot minute by Congress. But, Pelosi will not let the minority bring up any bills.