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Anonymous wrote:I felt that most people I knew at Middlebury loved learning and supporting their peers.

Perhaps 2-3 decades ago.

Certainly not now.

OP, are you open to going abroad?

I was there one decade ago. Is your certainty based on anything?

Multiple disgusting and anti-intellectual incidents in the last 5 years.

Perpetrated by how many Middlebury students?

Way too many

I take it you’re a conservative who’s butthurt about recent protests. (I have zero connection to Middlebury.)

NP- not conservative and wouldn’t not have kid apply to Midd on the basis of referenced events. Am concerned about increasingly viewing everything as for or against, right or wrong, especially in academia. What’s now on Facebook has been in academia for the last 8 plus years. It’s a terrifyingly closed mindset.

The sweet irony of you complaining about being close-minded. Too rich.

Haverford I believe fits with these. Hopkins?

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Yeah, but I wonder if there's such a thing as being "too intellectual?"

Agree with U. of Chicago, Columbia, Swarthmore, Carleton and a few of the other names.

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Anonymous wrote:I felt that most people I knew at Middlebury loved learning and supporting their peers.

Perhaps 2-3 decades ago.

Certainly not now.

OP, are you open to going abroad?

I was there one decade ago. Is your certainty based on anything?

Multiple disgusting and anti-intellectual incidents in the last 5 years.

Perpetrated by how many Middlebury students?

Way too many

I take it you’re a conservative who’s butthurt about recent protests. (I have zero connection to Middlebury.)

NP- not conservative and wouldn’t not have kid apply to Midd on the basis of referenced events. Am concerned about increasingly viewing everything as for or against, right or wrong, especially in academia. What’s now on Facebook has been in academia for the last 8 plus years. It’s a terrifyingly closed mindset.

Anonymous wrote:What about Oberlin? William & Mary?

We are also looking for a school with an intellectual bent but not a pressure cooker. Is there such a thing?

Friends at William and Mary like it... they are interested learners, but not elbows flying competitive. Same with Mount Holyoke, which offers « one of the best undergraduate experiences. » wish I knew of a co-Ed Mount Holyoke. Kalamazoo was suggested for that, but I don’t know if it had the same caliber of students. Have heard repeatedly that K has really nice kids, lots of study abroad and enthusiastic « do-ers. »

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia.

I think any college that still follows a core curriculum (also Chicago) draws that kind of student.

Was going to post this. Kids who don’t like the idea of reading Plato, St. Augustine, Montaigne and many more just don’t apply. It’s true that some students just try to survive the core. But many are grateful, if after the fact.

I can easily make the exact opposite argument. Schools with no core requirements appeal to students who are willing to take responsibility for what they learn. Some of them will just drift, but the motivated ones will pursue the things they love.

And 2 things can be true at the same time. Depends on the student.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia.

I think any college that still follows a core curriculum (also Chicago) draws that kind of student.

Was going to post this. Kids who don’t like the idea of reading Plato, St. Augustine, Montaigne and many more just don’t apply. It’s true that some students just try to survive the core. But many are grateful, if after the fact.

I can easily make the exact opposite argument. Schools with no core requirements appeal to students who are willing to take responsibility for what they learn. Some of them will just drift, but the motivated ones will pursue the things they love.

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Anonymous wrote:I felt that most people I knew at Middlebury loved learning and supporting their peers.

Perhaps 2-3 decades ago.

Certainly not now.

OP, are you open to going abroad?

I was there one decade ago. Is your certainty based on anything?

Multiple disgusting and anti-intellectual incidents in the last 5 years.

Perpetrated by how many Middlebury students?

Way too many

I take it you’re a conservative who’s butthurt about recent protests. (I have zero connection to Middlebury.)

Anonymous wrote:Columbia.

I think any college that still follows a core curriculum (also Chicago) draws that kind of student.

Was going to post this. Kids who don’t like the idea of reading Plato, St. Augustine, Montaigne and many more just don’t apply. It’s true that some students just try to survive the core. But many are grateful, if after the fact.

Deep Springs and St John’s are truly niche (maybe lifestyle) schools. They are both schools where you’d probably have to love learning to be happy, but lots of kids who love learning would be miserable in either place. I know I would have been. Maybe it’s the difference between intensive and extensive reading. You can learn from a limited number of texts read very closely or from the interplay of a wider variety of texts, some of which are worth more time/attention than others.

May also depend on field. Neither is a great place for STEM (which is not to say a student couldn’t go on to do STEM elsewhere). Not sure either is a great fit for students interested in comparative and/or contemporary social/cultural issues either. Great Books curricula (and the faculty who teach them) tend to offer a narrow lens on the world.

That said, Deep Springs is two years and could be time very well spent for the right kid.

Deep Springs.

There really is no comparison to anything else.

I think many of the small liberal arts colleges fit into the category of schools where there are many students who are interested in learning for the sake of learning.

Anonymous wrote:What about Oberlin? William & Mary?

We are also looking for a school with an intellectual bent but not a pressure cooker. Is there such a thing?

Colorado College, Carleton, Grinnell

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Anonymous wrote:I felt that most people I knew at Middlebury loved learning and supporting their peers.

Perhaps 2-3 decades ago.

Certainly not now.

OP, are you open to going abroad?

I was there one decade ago. Is your certainty based on anything?

Multiple disgusting and anti-intellectual incidents in the last 5 years.

Perpetrated by how many Middlebury students?

Way too many